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Makes the Obama '08 playoffs run even more impressive...knocking off the overall #1 seed as a young'n:wow:
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In the modern era JFK, FDR, Johnson, Clinton, Reagan but those are pretty obvious. Obama is the best though. He's the most complete speaker I've seen. He's articulate but conversational all in one, never feels like he's robotic at all and he plays the audience the best.

What do you feel are Obama's best speeches?


Also, what do you think of George W. Bush's oratory skills?



 

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What do you feel are Obama's best speeches?


Also, what do you think of George W. Bush's oratory skills?




how old are you?

There was literally not a day where the news wasn't making fun of bush for doing/saying/acting stupid.

That has never happened even once with Obama.
 
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@Dave24 Bush wasn't bad, he was inconsistent (sometimes awful) but he had his moments. He was also relatable. That's clearly the reason why Gore didn't wash him. Gore is like a damn robot up there, a smart guy but fukk, he can bore you to tears. These people especially those who aren't educated, slow white folk like this idea that the president is a guy "you could have a beer with"

That was Bush
 

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such a master class that she would be getting her ass handed to her i the republicans had a single competent candidate.
there is a difference between a weak campaign and a weak candidate...

but i agree this is not a masterclass because trump is so pathetic that anybody could do this to him
 

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how old are you?

There was literally not a day where the news wasn't making fun of bush for doing/saying/acting stupid.

That has never happened even once with Obama.

Those two speeches I posted many said they were great pieces of oratory.

One of Jimmy Carter's speechwriters thought Bush's 1st Inaugural Address was one of the best Inaugurals he ever heard.

Also, why are you mentioning Obama? I never said Bush was the better orator than Obama.
 

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there is a difference between a weak campaign and a weak candidate...

but i agree this is not a masterclass because trump is so pathetic that anybody could do this to him
if her campaign was strong there would be more excitement around her.
 

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Obama puts both Clintons in the dirt. Absolutely.
:what: He pretty clearly is it's not even close.

Who is then?

Who you consider to be the "greatest orator of our age" depends on what "our age" means. But whatever your timeline, the measure of an effective political orator is whether they can achieve their political objectives by unifying the country through the strength of their oratory. By that standard, Barack Obama fails completely. The country is more divided than ever, despite his speeches. In fact, some of his speeches have contributed to the division, like his "cling to guns and bibles" gaffe.

He also doesn't really have any truly "iconic" presidential speeches that will go on to define his actual presidency. To date, his undisputed best work (and the speech people will probably remember him by) is the 2004 DNC keynote speech. That's the speech where he gave this famous line, "There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America — there's the United States of America." That's the also the speech that introduced the phrase "The audacity of hope" to the United States. But he wasn't president when he made that speech and he hasn't topped it since.

None of his speeches about shootings will stand out because there have been too many. And there are no parts of the Bin Laden speech that really stand out either.

He doesn't have a "Tear down this wall!" speech like Reagan. He doesn't have a "We choose to go to the moon" speech like JFK.

Is better than Bill? Maybe. Bill had a totally different style of speaking--a "folksier" vibe, if you will. But greatest orator of our time? Nope. Not by a long shot. We haven't seen the greatest orator of our time yet.
 

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Who you consider to be the "greatest orator of our age" depends on what "our age" means. But whatever your timeline, the measure of an effective political orator is whether they can achieve their political objectives by unifying the country through the strength of their oratory. By that standard, Barack Obama fails completely. The country is more divided than ever, despite his speeches. In fact, some of his speeches have contributed to the division, like his "cling to guns and bibles" gaffe.

He also doesn't really have any truly "iconic" presidential speeches that will go on to define his actual presidency. To date, his undisputed best work (and the speech people will probably remember him by) is the 2004 DNC keynote speech. That's the speech where he gave this famous line, "There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America — there's the United States of America." That's the also the speech that introduced the phrase "The audacity of hope" to the United States. But he wasn't president when he made that speech and he hasn't topped it since.

None of his speeches about shootings will stand out because there have been too many. And there are no parts of the Bin Laden speech that really stand out either.

He doesn't have a "Tear down this wall!" speech like Reagan. He doesn't have a "We choose to go to the moon" speech like JFK.

Fair enough good thoughts. I honestly don't know and was just asking.

And, I think this is Obama's best speech.

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In your opinion, who are the top 5-10 U.S. Presidential orators of all time? In order from best to worst.
 
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