Hip Hop is in a really strange place.... Deep Dive...

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Cool, I hear you. Just name me a few cultural influences they're making in the U.S, like Clothing ,styles, slang, Lingo, swag...

Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran got the whole U.S dressing, talking, acting a certain way?

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Taylor Swift for sure. I see it online all the time.

But remember other people see it as entertainment them grow out of it. Rappers barely mature or grow up. That’s why they fall off quickly like Uzi and that whole class of rappers.

Hip hop is actually following cac trends as we speak.
 

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I’ll tell you why

This Kendrick, Drake & J Cole period has overstayed its welcome

Kendrick & J Cole hit the scene like 15 years ago there’s a huge obsession over these guys when they’ve past their creative peaks and their best output is behind them

On top of that honkeys have probably grown bored with the shoot em up bang bang they’ve broken down to a molecular level.

Rap wasn’t meant to be lead by old nikkax stuck in their ways

Youth breeds ignorance & innovation
Yeah, people are gonna keep making excuses but this is pretty much it. No way should these guys still be the main needle movers this far in. Would even throw Future in there
 
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Yeah, people are gonna keep making excuses but this is pretty much it. No way should these guys still be the main needle movers this far in. Would even throw Future in there

I don’t want to act brand new about history. Jay & Nas had some residual interest for some months but by the time Fall 02 rolled around 50/G-Unit took off & to a lesser extent Cam & Juelz with “Oh Boy”

People en masse seemed like they moved on

We got 17-58 year old fans clicking through Discovery & Motion legal documents detailing Drake’s case against a record label about Kendrick?

How fukking boring is that man?

I’ve completely disengaged from this shyt since last year. Worse than this place come election time
 

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Yep. The vets and underground feels like it's in a strong place. Rappers have now cracked the code on how to make music as older artists and it is bearing a lot of fruit.

But hip hop just isn't creating new stars like it was. I think a lot of that is due to bad label management and cuts to A&R divisions. On a major label level, there just isn't enough care or thought (or budget) being put into developing new artists or recording albums. Too many data dump style releases that are just being treated as mindless content for the algorhythm. The general consumer might not have great taste but they're not stupid. They know when music is half-assed. That's why artists like Lil Baby lost their momentum.

I feel like rage was supposed to be the next mainstream wave. That post-Carti generation never really levelled up though or figured a way at taking that sound and making crossover hits with it. Yeat and Ken Carson are probably the most successful but that sound still isn't palatable enough to listeners besides brain rotted TikTok addicted teenagers. But I think the most likely next mega rap star is someone who cracks the code of rage.
We’re also really in denial of how things are. Music in 2025 is not important outside of a handful of artists. We may not ever see another Kendrick or Cole or Drake yet it felt like the culture could churn out 4 of em a year til those artists faded away.

We’re accustomed to certain things. The Clipse rollout was refreshing because that’s what we’re used to. No surprise drops. Actual singles. Interviews, all that. But it’s not the norm anymore. Older rap fans are like baseball fans who wonder why batting averages suck now or why basketball players don’t take pride in their mid range game. Even if you might be right, you’re in the minority.

And then there’s too many influencers who straight up don’t like important elements of the music

Rage music to me ain’t even a subgenre. It’s just punk music with 808’s. At least punk artists had something important in what they were raging about. None of these acts are raging for any other reason than the vibe that comes with it. Those fans mosh for the sake of moshing, whereas before it was a place to let out pent up aggression.
 

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We’re also really in denial of how things are. Music in 2025 is not important outside of a handful of artists. We may not ever see another Kendrick or Cole or Drake yet it felt like the culture could churn out 4 of em a year til those artists faded away.

We’re accustomed to certain things. The Clipse rollout was refreshing because that’s what we’re used to. No surprise drops. Actual singles. Interviews, all that. But it’s not the norm anymore. Older rap fans are like baseball fans who wonder why batting averages suck now or why basketball players don’t take pride in their mid range game. Even if you might be right, you’re in the minority.

And then there’s too many influencers who straight up don’t like important elements of the music

Rage music to me ain’t even a subgenre. It’s just punk music with 808’s. At least punk artists had something important in what they were raging about. None of these acts are raging for any other reason than the vibe that comes with it. Those fans mosh for the sake of moshing, whereas before it was a place to let out pent up aggression.

You're overstating the content of a lot of punk music. The Ramones weren't singing about shyt. Most bands weren't The Clash or Dead Kennedys.
 

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I mean the message has been sent out to label heads to not invest in new rap acts anymore or hip-hop period. As far as the mainstream it needs to go away for a while until something worth a damn(excluding Kendrick of course) is worth listening to. I'm eating good with these underground releases and catching up on shyt I missed from the past few years.
 

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I agree that a lot of good-to-great rap shyt has dropped this year from underground to mainstream. But from a mainstream perspective this has been a pretty empty year and it still feels like the beef sucked the air out of the rap industry. Country has exploded but pop music has exploded too. The summer (and soon to be fall) was run by Sabrina Carpenter. Or should I say...Jack Antonoff lol. Last year, besides the titanic rap battle, the big music events were Chappell Roan and Taylor Swift.

The problem isn't the absence of hit rap songs or albums. Future could have easily run the summer if he had dropped. But therein lies the problem. We've had 5+ years of no real planning or development of new artists. The guys we thought we next up fell off (Baby) or are drugged out (Carti, Kodak). The hoe rappers are completely burned out artistically and are running entirely off attention. Legends who could shake things up are retired (Jay) or gone (Kanye). And Drake/Kendrick/Cole keep trucking along with no real competition because nobody else is building proper fanbases. And I continue to believe XXX/Juice/Pop dying killed the next wave of where shyt was going.

How do you get out of the rut when labels are clearly not prioritizing rap unless you're an established rapper in your mid 30s or older. Meanwhile the money that does go to younger rappers is for gimmicks and bullshytters. All that "don't try, don't take it seriously" shyt nikkas thought was cool a few years ago? Well congratulations, now all these dudes burning out and nobody is decent enough to replace them.

BTW...anyone notice that Atlanta is dead. The succession of Future/Migos/Thug/Gunna/Baby/etc is broken. Who is next up? It's done. And btw if I can throw a shot in here...that's partially why Drake is struggling right now too. Who is the next ATL (or non-ATL) rapper he can attach himself to?
Theres no mythology to attach the music to. No streets, no drugs, no “superheroes"

It’s just guys rapping at this point.

Fani Willis ended Atlanta. JID can’t carry ATL
 
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ITT you literally got 50 yo nerds trying to hate on this generation when it's the first time hip hop represent 40% of all hits on the charts :mjlol:
Right now its a bit quiet, but only because all major artists already dropped.

they do this ish every year man lol. every fn year. they are like the woman in relationships they complain about with the constant need to be entertained or will claim something is wrong or something fell off

how you old as dirt and function like the adhd generation :dead: RELAX!
 

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I agree that a lot of good-to-great rap shyt has dropped this year from underground to mainstream. But from a mainstream perspective this has been a pretty empty year and it still feels like the beef sucked the air out of the rap industry. Country has exploded but pop music has exploded too. The summer (and soon to be fall) was run by Sabrina Carpenter. Or should I say...Jack Antonoff lol. Last year, besides the titanic rap battle, the big music events were Chappell Roan and Taylor Swift.

The problem isn't the absence of hit rap songs or albums. Future could have easily run the summer if he had dropped. But therein lies the problem. We've had 5+ years of no real planning or development of new artists. The guys we thought we next up fell off (Baby) or are drugged out (Carti, Kodak). The hoe rappers are completely burned out artistically and are running entirely off attention. Legends who could shake things up are retired (Jay) or gone (Kanye). And Drake/Kendrick/Cole keep trucking along with no real competition because nobody else is building proper fanbases. And I continue to believe XXX/Juice/Pop dying killed the next wave of where shyt was going.

How do you get out of the rut when labels are clearly not prioritizing rap unless you're an established rapper in your mid 30s or older. Meanwhile the money that does go to younger rappers is for gimmicks and bullshytters. All that "don't try, don't take it seriously" shyt nikkas thought was cool a few years ago? Well congratulations, now all these dudes burning out and nobody is decent enough to replace them.

BTW...anyone notice that Atlanta is dead. The succession of Future/Migos/Thug/Gunna/Baby/etc is broken. Who is next up? It's done. And btw if I can throw a shot in here...that's partially why Drake is struggling right now too. Who is the next ATL (or non-ATL) rapper he can attach himself to?

All of this. exactly what I was saying in better words
Y'all are missing a very obvious, vital point. New artist can not cross over to other demos because there is no mono culture anymore. New rappers aren't going to make it on teenage white kids playlist now that they are heavy into country and white girl pop.

There are plenty of young rap stars within in the culture. Measuring new artist by how well they cross over doesn't work in 2025
 
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