HIV Among Black Women 5 Times Higher Than Previously Thought

[NYChase718]

alot of girls have "gay" male bestfriends....i wouldnt doubt if they ever sucked them dudes off cuz u know they bee tryin to convert some of them straight. and even if the dude is gay i doubt hed turn down gettin sum top

 

[Gravity]

Actually their rates would be decreasing slower, not increasing, in relation to other women. still in no way does that equate to "skyrocketing"

2/3 of new female HIV infections are black women, but their rates aren't increasing in comparison? You're an idiot.

I've already said it wasn't impossible just not very common.

Maybe you just don't know what "improbable" means because that's the word that you used. Improbable means, Not likely to be true or to happen, unexpected. If you sleep with a woman who is HIV positive unprotected then you have a real legit risk of catching it. Your position is dumb. We have an epidemic in our community and you're spreading ignorance. Like I've said, it's stupid misconceptions that help perpetuate the spread of the disease.

Men account for 3/4 of ALL aids cases. Straight men account for 1/4 of aids cases IN MEN. 1/4 of 3/4= 18%. 18% of all new aids cases are found in straight men. Please read and understand before you reply, especially since you like to call other people idiots.

Im sorry but you aren't that bright. Are you talking about HIV or AIDS? Do you not know that they're not the same thing? Magic has HIV not AIDS. Quite a few doctors and scientists don't even believe that HIV causes AIDS, but that's a whole different discussion.

As far as your math, I was talking about the % of men who have caught HIV through hetero sex with a female vs all men with HIV. 25% of men who have it, caught it from a female. Even looking at it the way that you are, 1/4 of 3/4 is closer to 19%(18.75%), if you want to be completely honest.

what donyou mean even if? The stats are there do you, or don't you believe the
Out of that 25% can't you admit that some of them got it from needles, and some of them are lying about there sexuality?

So out of all the evidence that has been presented we can say that less than 25% of men with aids got it from vaginal sex. Once again all the evidence suggests it is improbable for a man to catch aids through vaginal sex.

You're he one who doesnt seem to believe the stats. Gays use drugs too. Some of the gay men with HIV caught as a result of their drug use, so it goes both ways. This really comes down to you not understanding what "improbable" means. If 25% of all new HIV cases amongst men caught it from women then obviously the risk is real. Why do you feel the need to try and dismiss the risk of a man catching it from a woman? It's true that men are catching it from women. It can happen and it does happen.

In poor nations it doesn't matter if they are ignorant or not. They don't have access to healthcare or condoms.

There are men in Africa who think that they can rid themselves of HIV by having sex with a virgin. There are plenty of other stupid myths and misconceptions about HIV in Africa that help perpetuate the spread of the disease. You wonder why I'm questioning your intelligence yet you stay posting dumb stuff. Ignorance plays a huge part in the spread of HIV in Africa and here in America.

They have not done a "where did black woman get HIV from"'study

Ok then, don't say that you have evidence to prove this when you don't.

The bottom line here is that the alarming HIV rate amongst black men and women can be blamed on a lack of personal responsibility. Black women blaming black men instead of looking in the mirror and blaming themselves does nothing but divide us a people. Why can't you see that? I'm not with that. If black women want to stop catching HIV then they need to start being more careful with their bodies and who they sleep with. It's the same thing for black men. Unless you caught HIV from a spouse or a rapist then it's your own fault, I don't care if you're a man or a woman. Pointing our fingers at each other isn't going to solve anything.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

But you just pointed your finger at Black women.

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[MeachTheMonster]

2/3 of new female HIV infections are black women, but their rates aren't increasing in comparison? You're an idiot.

For something to be increasing doesn't it have to increase? If aids rates have been going down for black women every year, then how are you still sayin they're increasing?

Maybe you just don't know what "improbable" means because that's the word that you used. Improbable means, Not likely to be true or to happen, unexpected. If you sleep with a woman who is HIV positive then your risk of catching the disease is more than improbable. It's stupid to even say that. Like I've said, it's stupid misconceptions like that that help perpetuate the spread of the disease.

improbable - not likely to be true or to occur or to have occurred; "legislation on the question is highly unlikely"; "an improbable event"
According to the CDC a man has a 1 in 1000 chance of contracting through vaginal sex= not likely or IMPROBABLE

According to the CDC The chance of catching HIV through receiving anal sex 1 in 200= more common or PROBABLE.

Im sorry but you aren't that bright. Are you talking about HIV or AIDS? Do you not know that they're not the same thing? Magic has HIV not AIDS. Quite a few doctors as scientists don't even believe that HIV causes AIDS, but that's a whole different discussion.

who's arguing semantics now

As far as your math, I was talking about the % of men who have caught HIV through hetero sex with a female vs all men with HIV. 25% of men who have it, caught it from a female. Even looking at it the way that you are, 1/4 of 3/4 is closer to 19%(18.75%), if you want to be completely honest.

25% of men who get HIV identify as heterosexual, that doesn't mean they got it from vaginal sex. knowing how much more difficult it is to spread HIV through vaginal sex, isn't it reasonable to say a lot of these men are probably lying? Knowing how many gay/bi men are out there, isn't it reasonable to say a lot of them are having sex with women?

What's unreasonable is to assume that totally heterosexual men and women are passing the disease to each other enough to sustain it's problematic levels in America.

You're he one who doesnt seem to believe the stats. Gays use drugs too. Some of the gay men with HIV caught as a result of their drug use, so it goes both ways. This really comes down to you not understanding what "improbable" means. If 25% of all new HIV cases amongst men caught it from women then obviously the risk is real. Why do you feel the need to try and dismiss the risk of a man catching it from a woman? It's true that men are catching it from women. It can happen and it does happen.

Not dismissing the risk, it is there and it's very minute, HIV is a deadly decease so a person should be 100% careful but that doesn't mean heterosexual men are at a big risk of catching it

There are men in Africa who think that they can rid themselves of HIV by having sex with a virgin. There are plenty of other stupid myths and misconceptions about HIV in Africa that help perpetuate the spread of the disease. You wonder why I'm questioning your intelligence yet you stay posting dumb stuff. Ignorance plays a huge part in the spread of HIV in Africa and here in America.

No, if it's anything we've learned it's that anal sex is the main culprit in the spread of the disease.

Ok then, don't say that you have evidence to prove this when you don't.

Never said i evidence as to how/from whom black women caught HIV from. I said given the information we have, it's most likely that the men spreading HIV to women, have engaged in some other type of risky behavior outside of just vaginal sex.

The bottom line here is that the alarming HIV rate amongst black men and women can be blamed on a lack of personal responsibility. Black women blaming black men instead of looking in the mirror and blaming themselves does nothing but divide us a people. Why can't you see that? I'm not with that. If black women want to stop catching HIV then they need to start being more careful with their bodies and who they sleep with. It's the same thing for black men. Unless you caught HIV from a spouse or a rapist then it's your own fault, I don't care if you're a man or a woman. Pointing our fingers at each other isn't going to solve anything.

Let's try this another way if about 3000 new aids cases occurred in straight men and 30,000 new cases occur in gay men, which one is more probable

Lets extrapolate the data to real life. As a heterosexual male first you'd have to find a woman that has aids, although the numbers are disturbing, HIV is not a very common disease, less than 1% of the population has HIV. So once you find your chick with HIV she either has to not know or lie to you about it, so you go raw and you still only have a 1 in 1000 chance to catch the decease.

How many unlikely/improbable hoops did you and your dikk have to jump through to make it it to HIV? And there is still a chance the virus won't catch on an infect you.

Like I said as a heterosexual American male it is very improbable that you will catch HIV through vaginal sex. It just is

As for the rest of your paragraph I agree, people should feel accountable for their own actions, instead of just pointing fingers. Ironically you've done a bunch of finger pointing throughout this thread.

 

[Gravity]

For something to be increasing doesn't it have to increase? If aids rates have been going down for black women every year, then how are you still sayin they're increasing?

They're rates are increasing in comparison to women of other races. What's so hard to understand about that?

improbable - not likely to be true or to occur or to have occurred; "legislation on the question is highly unlikely"; "an improbable event"

Yet we know that women passing HIV on to men is true and does occur.

According to the CDC a man has a 1 in 1000 chance of contracting through vaginal sex= not likely or IMPROBABLE

According to the CDC The chance of catching HIV through receiving anal sex 1 in 200= more common or PROBABLE.

Well there are factors that can increase those probabilities. Most or all of the men who have caught HIV from women probably thought the same way that you're thinking. Some people don't believe that fire burns until they actually put their hand in the flames. I would also say that men and women engage in anal sex with each other as well. You don't seem to take that into account when talking about men catching HIV from women at all. My position is that men do catch it from women, not that it's as likely as gay men catching it from other men.

who's arguing semantics now

Noting the difference between the HIV virus and AIDS is not semantics. HIV is a virus and AIDS is supposedly the symptoms that can occur because of the virus. AIDS is the condition when your immune system is completely compromised. Like I said though, some doctors and scientists don't believe that HIV even causes AIDS. A person can live with the HIV virus and live a complete healthy life IE Magic.

25% of men who get HIV identify as heterosexual, that doesn't mean they got it from vaginal sex. knowing how much more difficult it is to spread HIV through vaginal sex, isn't it reasonable to say a lot of these men are probably lying? Knowing how many gay/bi men are out there, isn't it reasonable to say a lot of them are having sex with women?

Again, you're the one who doesn't seem to believe the statistics. You only seem to put credence in the stats when you can use them to bolster your position. 1st you were vouching for the stats, now here you are trying to discredit the stats because you don't want to believe what they're saying. Make up your mind, do you believe the stats or not?

Personally, I don't believe that there are that many truly bisexual men out here. I think that a lot of socalled bisexual men are just homos who may have had an experience or 2 with women in their lifetime.

What's unreasonable is to assume that totally heterosexual men and women are passing the disease to each other enough to sustain it's problematic levels in America.

Look, there are 40 million people with HIV worldwide. The ratio of men to women with HIV worldwide, is 1-1. That means that for every man that has HIV there's a HIV positive woman. If it's just a gay man disease like you're claiming, then shouldn't there be lot more men with it than women? There are a hell of a lot more gay men than bisexual men, so how are all of these women across the world catching it? If it's as improbable for a man to catch HIV from a woman as you claim, then there is a whole lot of men out here on the down low and a whole lot of women worldwide sleeping with down low men.

Not dismissing the risk, it is there and it's very minute, HIV is a deadly decease so a person should be 100% careful but that doesn't mean heterosexual men are at a big risk of catching it

You say that its minute yet millions of men have caught HIV from women. You're acting as if there's just a couple of cases of men getting it from women here and there.

No, if it's anything we've learned it's that anal sex is the main culprit in the spread of the disease.

The only thing that I've learned is that you're an idiot.

Epidemic of Ignorance: The Difficult Struggle Against AIDS in Africa - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Never said i evidence as to how/from whom black women caught HIV from. I said given the information we have, it's most likely that the men spreading HIV to women, have engaged in some other type of risky behavior outside of just vaginal sex.

You said that all the evidence points to women catching HIV from bisexual men. Where is that evidence? Your interpretation of stats that you vouch for or dismiss depending on if they support your position doesn't count.

Let's try this another way if about 3000 new aids cases occurred in straight men and 30,000 new cases occur in gay men, which one is more probable

What's the point of this question when I've never denied that gay men are more likely to catch HIV than straight men? All of this time and you still don't comprehend what I'm saying.

As for the rest of your paragraph I agree, people should feel accountable for their own actions, instead of just pointing fingers. Ironically you've done a bunch of finger pointing throughout this thread.

No, all you've done is point fingers. You're pointing fingers at men blaming them for black women's HIV rate. I'm the one who's been in here saying that people should not point fingers and take responsibility for their own actions. If you truly believed what I've said about personal resonsibility then you wouldn't be engaging in the finger pointing. You wouldn't cosign the "the HIV rate amongst BW is the BM's fault" nonsnse that some BW are subscribing to. When talking about the HIV rate for any demographic in America, the conversation should start and end with personal responsibity.

But you just pointed your finger at Black women.

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Yes, as far as their HIV rate goes. They're the one's responsible for their HIV rate, the same way that men are responsible for theirs. Don't look to point the finger at somebody else, point that finger at a mirror.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

They're rates are increasing in comparison to women of other races. What's so hard to understand about that?

You can't say something is increasing unless it's actually increasing. That's like saying "I'm loosing weight therefore you're getting heavier"

Yet we know that women passing HIV on to men is true and does occur.

So your going to ignore the fact that it says "not likely"

Well there are factors that can increase those probabilities. Most or all of the men who have caught HIV from women probably thought the same way that you're thinking. Some people don't believe that fire burns until they actually put their hand in the flames. I would also say that men and women engage in anal sex with each other as well. You don't seem to take that into account when talking about men catching HIV from women at all. My position is that men do catch it from women, not that it's as likely as gay men catching it from other men.

No these are statistics with all factors included. They may have thought how I think, but they were still stupid for not strapin up(unless of course, they caught it from their wife). Go read the statistics again. Anal sex givers are at the second lowest chance of contracting the decease. It's the person getting penetrated that is at the highest risk. It's probably the dudes who think like you and let their woman play with their bootyhole, that catch HIV and spread it around, claiming they're "heterosexual"

@ the bolded

The most common way that the disease is transmitted is through heterosexual sex, that's a fact.

Noting the difference between the HIV virus and AIDS is not semantics. HIV is a virus and AIDS is supposedly the symptoms that can occur because of the virus. AIDS is the condition when your immune system is completely compromised. Like I said though, some doctors and scientists don't believe that HIV even causes AIDS. A person can live with the HIV virus and live a complete healthy life IE Magic.

and who denied any of this?

Again, you're the one who doesn't seem to believe the statistics. You only seem to put credence in the stats when you can use them to bolster your position. 1st you were vouching for the stats, now here you are trying to discredit the stats because you don't want to believe what they're saying. Make up your mind, do you believe the stats or not?

I believe in the stats, but i also belive in human error. These stats rely on people to identify themselves as gay or straight, its reasonable to belive that SOME people were not totally honest.

Personally, I don't believe that there are that many truly bisexual men out here. I think that a lot of socalled bisexual men are just homos who may have had an experience or 2 with women in their lifetime.

What does this have to do with anything?

Look, there are 40 million people with HIV worldwide. The ratio of men to women with HIV worldwide, is 1-1. That means that for every man that has HIV there's a HIV positive woman. If it's just a gay man disease like you're claiming, then shouldn't there be lot more men with it than women? There are a hell of a lot more gay men than bisexual men, so how are all of these women across the world catching it? If it's as improbable for a man to catch HIV from a woman as you claim, then there is a whole lot of men out here on the down low and a whole lot of women worldwide sleeping with down low men.

I never said it was a "gay disease" I said it is most easily/commonly transmitted to the person being "penetrated" it just so happens that men who get "penetrated" are gay.

As for your 50% stat. You can't compare worldwide numbers to America. There are just to many factors to go over that we haven't covered here. Numbers in any other developed nation are similar to America.

You say that its minute yet millions of men have caught HIV from women. You're acting as if there's just a couple of cases of men getting it from women here and there.

And exponentialy more have caught it through anal sex. Men who engage in vaginal sex only are by far at the lowest risk for contracting the disease

The only thing that I've learned is that you're an idiot.

Epidemic of Ignorance: The Difficult Struggle Against AIDS in Africa - SPIEGEL ONLINE

You said that all the evidence points to women catching HIV from bisexual men. Where is that evidence? Your interpretation of stats that you vouch for or dismiss depending on if they support your position doesn't count.

Your story just proves that people in underdeveloped countries engage in a lot more risky action than developed nations. It says the women dry their coochies out to make the sex better obviously they are gonna spread more aids.

What's the point of this question when I've never denied that gay men are more likely to catch HIV than straight men? All of this time and you still don't comprehend what I'm saying.

what are you saying?

No, all you've done is point fingers. You're pointing fingers at men blaming them for black women's HIV rate. I'm the one who's been in here saying that people should not point fingers and take responsibility for their own actions. If you truly believed what I've said about personal resonsibility then you wouldn't be engaging in the finger pointing. You wouldn't cosign the "the HIV rate amongst BW is the BM's fault" nonsnse that some BW are subscribing to. When talking about the HIV rate for any demographic in America, the conversation should start and end with personal responsibity.Yes, as far as their HIV rate goes. They're the one's responsible for their HIV rate, the same way that men are responsible for theirs. Don't look to point the finger at somebody else, point that finger at a mirror.

I haven't cosigned anything. Check my first post in this thread. Obviously it's both parties fault in however the disease is transmitted. I simply stated heterosexual males are at minimal risk at catching the disease. And since we know there are more homosexual men than anyone else carrying the disease, it's safe to assume who's spreading it the most.

 

[RicanFury]

I love how they do so many black women studies...

But since we're discussing HIV they need to do a study on all these black men on the low fukcing trannies...and what not claiming they're heterosexual...

i firmly believe this is how its passed around so often. nikkas playing the fence, fukking dudes then fukking women then them women fukking other dudes.

a lot of gay men going back to their women.

AIDS is a gay disease.

This study was published in 7/23/2012

Black, gay men have higher HIV infection rates

Black, gay men have higher HIV infection rates - Health - AIDS | NBC News

So we really gon act like black women are ONLY getting Aids from DL brothas and not because a lot are being ho's and keep letting nikkas hit raw?

dont think most people say this the ONLY way, they are saying it's the most probable way.

Black women.. Stop being ho's
Black men... WRAP YO shyt UP
DL black men... be honest with yourself and only fukk men. stop flip flopping.

problem solved

fixed for accuracy.

This is true, minus a man having cuts on his dikk from previous STD's, it's almost impossible for a woman to pass on the disease to a man.

It's the otherway around and usually that man is a recipient of the disease from another man.

Cats coming back from jail, DL dudes....they're quarterbacking the disease to multiple receivers who are black women.

Either way, HIV/AIDS is supposedly the biggest killer of people in my age group, and living in the NYC area, a hotbed of HIV/AIDS, I can say with full honesty that I haven't seen this "outbreak" that's always talked about. I just haven't seen people dropping like flies by this disease.

Something isn't right.

yea u right about that...jail nikkas getting bootyfukked and sucking dikk bringing that shyt home. a cpl of ppl ive heard that caught it were fukking wit girls who ex's had just came home or babyfathers were in and out of the bing.

Do these CACs do a quarterly Black Female HIV study or something?

They copy and paste the same article but just make the statistics more grim with each "study."

This just proves that the downlow myth isn't a myth and these fukkbois are bringing home the monster from their Antoine Dodsons they're seeing on the side. HIV is not a virulent disease. It's probably the weakest of all STDs. A lot of things have to go "right" for you to catch it. Biggest risk factors are anal sex and IV drug use; two things many men will not admit to if they partake.

These fukkers need to be rooted out and ostracized; they are literally killing our women.

i agree. Stay vigilant out here my nikkas. these DL nikkas set the trend in motion for shyt to be passeda round like hot potato. essentially this is a butt love disease, and who butt loving out here more than most? simple logic brehs. Ive had a couple ppl in my family that died from aids and have hiv now. two of the guys were bi dudes and the other still living is a cousin who caught it from her man who was sharing needles shooting up roids.
Reason you not seeing nikkas and bytches droppin like flies out here is because the meds are strong dog. it aint like before. that cousin who has it she like in her 50's has had it least 10 yrs. she looks sickly from the side effects but she still alive and living her life. terrible disease.

 

[little4209]

alot of girls have "gay" male bestfriends....i wouldnt doubt if they ever sucked them dudes off cuz u know they bee tryin to convert some of them straight. and even if the dude is gay i doubt hed turn down gettin sum top

Da fugg?

 

[Onpoint12]

I need a wife before i make love

we both getting tested and everything

"b4" u have kids, smart man

 

[I Lord Justice]

*reviews assests*

*is pleased with Investment*

 

[Gravity]

You can't say something is increasing unless it's actually increasing. That's like saying "I'm loosing weight therefore you're getting heavier"

The HIV rate among black women is increasing in comparison to women of other races. Do you not understand what "in comparison" means? You wonder why I call you an idiot?

So your going to ignore the fact that it says "not likely"

No, you're ignoring the millions of men who have caught HIV from women. We know that men are catching it from women so what's your point here? Why are you hanging on to this "not likely-improbable" nonsense? Are you saying that men should feel comfortable having unprotected sex with HIV+ women because catching it is improbable or not likely? You said that the odds were about 1000-1 for a man to catch it from a woman right? Do you really believe that? Would you bet your life on it? You probably would. I wouldn't, and nobody else with a lick of common sense would either.

No these are statistics with all factors included. They may have thought how I think, but they were still stupid for not strapin up(unless of course, they caught it from their wife). Go read the statistics again. Anal sex givers are at the second lowest chance of contracting the decease. It's the person getting penetrated that is at the highest risk. It's probably the dudes who think like you and let their woman play with their bootyhole, that catch HIV and spread it around, claiming they're "heterosexual"

Sorry I'm not up on the "anal-givers" stats like you are. You've got a slick little mouth too, be careful with that or 1 day you'll be slapped in it.

@ the bolded

Can I get HIV from vaginal sex?
Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through vaginal sex* (intercourse). In fact, it is the most common way the virus is transmitted in much of the world. HIV can be found in the blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum) or vaginal fluid of a person infected with the virus.

HIV Transmission - TheBody.com

The most frequent mode of transmission of HIV is through sexual contact with an infected person.[2] Worldwide, the majority of cases of transmission occur through heterosexual contacts (i.e. sexual contacts between people of the opposite sex).
HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My two statements don't contradict because even though HIV is mostly passed through hetero sex, the rate of transmission is higher amongst gays. They're simply a lot more hetero people than gay people. You have trouble understanding simple things, that's why you're an idiot.

and who denied any of this?

You're so stupid that you weren't aware of any of that, and that's obvious by how you through AIDS in this conversation as if HIV and AIDS are interchangeable. We were talking about HIV the entire time, who said anything about AIDS?

I believe in the stats, but i also belive in human error. These stats rely on people to identify themselves as gay or straight, its reasonable to belive that SOME people were not totally honest.

In other words, you believe in the stats except when you want to discredit them. Look, I'm simply taking the stats for what they are as far as discussion purposes goes. They're not the Gospel as far as I'm concerned. The point is that there are millions of men who have caught HIV from women. I'm starting to think that you're a female and that's why you don't want to acknowledge that. Youve definitely got feminine ways.

What does this have to do with anything?

You need a tutor. I'm saying that I don't think that there are as many "down-low" black men out here as people lke you believe. Not enough to be the main cause of the HIV rate amongst black women anyway. On the other hand you seem like you're speaking from 1st-hand experience so maybe I should fall back and let you tell it.

I never said it was a "gay disease" I said it is most easily/commonly transmitted to the person being "penetrated" it just so happens that men who get "penetrated" are gay.

As for your 50% stat. You can't compare worldwide numbers to America. There are just to many factors to go over that we haven't covered here. Numbers in any other developed nation are similar to America.

You're downplaying the fact that straight men are catching HIV from women. Yes it's most commonly passed by penetration, vaginal penetration(man to women and women to men). I didn't compare worldwide stats to America, I just listed the worldwide stats. I'm not talking about just America, I'm talking about how HIV is spread period. I'll say it again since you're slow, the most common way that the disease is passed worldwide is through vaginal sex. That's a fact.

And exponentialy more have caught it through anal sex. Men who engage in vaginal sex only are by far at the lowest risk for contracting the disease

So what? Straight men are still at risk dummy, that's the point.

Your story just proves that people in underdeveloped countries engage in a lot more risky action than developed nations. It says the women dry their coochies out to make the sex better obviously they are gonna spread more aids.

You're as dumb as a doorknob. Yes, lots of people in Africa engage in risky behavior because their ignorant and don't know any better. Some people in Africa have all kinds of silly misconceptions and believe in stupid myths regarding HIV. I said that ignorance is a huge reason why HIV has spread through Africa and you responded saying that anal sex was the main culprit.

No, if it's anything we've learned it's that anal sex is the main culprit in the spread of the disease.

Anal sex is not the main reason that HIV has spread through Africa.

what are you saying?

I see why you have a hard time keeping up, you're a nitwit that needs to be spoonfed. Gay men have a higher rate of being infected with HIV, but the disease is most commonly passed through hetero sex.

I haven't cosigned anything. Check my first post in this thread. Obviously it's both parties fault in however the disease is transmitted. I simply stated heterosexual males are at minimal risk at catching the disease. And since we know there are more homosexual men than anyone else carrying the disease, it's safe to assume who's spreading it the most.

It's safe to assume that homos are passing it to each other, but how is it safe to assume that homosexual men are spreading it to women? That's the unsubstantiated leap that you keep making with nothing to back you up.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The HIV rate among black women is increasing in comparison to women of other races. Do you not understand what "in comparison" means? You wonder why I call you an idiot?

Doesn't matter if you add "in comparison" things either increase or decrease you cant call a decreasing thing "skyrocketing" you can say the disparity between the two is skyrocketing,(which it isnt) but that's not what you said

No, you're ignoring the millions of men who have caught HIV from women. We know that men are catching it from women so what's your point here? Why are you hanging on to this "not likely-improbable" nonsense? Are you saying that men should feel comfortable having unprotected sex with HIV+ women because catching it is improbable or not likely? You said that the odds were about 1000-1 for a man to catch it from a woman right? Do you really believe that? Would you bet your life on it? You probably would. I wouldn't, and nobody else with a lick of common sense would either.

it is not likely/improbable, i never said anybody should feel comfortable having unprotected sex. HIV kills doesn't matter how big of a chance you have in catching it, its always best to protect yourself.

Sorry I'm not up on the "anal-givers" stats like you are. You've got a slick little mouth too, be careful with that or 1 day you'll slaped in it.

you aint smacking shyt, doesn't matter what your 'up' on use common sense, humans lie all the time especially about stuff that might be embarrassing

Can I get HIV from vaginal sex?
Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through vaginal sex* (intercourse). In fact, it is the most common way the virus is transmitted in much of the world. HIV can be found in the blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum) or vaginal fluid of a person infected with the virus.

HIV Transmission - TheBody.com

The most frequent mode of transmission of HIV is through sexual contact with an infected person.[2] Worldwide, the majority of cases of transmission occur through heterosexual contacts (i.e. sexual contacts between people of the opposite sex).
HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

again you cant bring worldwide stats into the conversation, most of those countries dont even keep track of homosexuals, and even then its most commonly passed from men to women, not the other way around.

My two statements don't contradict because even though HIV is mostly passed through hetero sex, the rate of transmission is higher amongst gays. They're simply a lot more hetero people than gay people. You have trouble understanding simple things, that's why you're an idiot.

why are the stats so different between America and Africa? its the same disease, why are the numbers so different?

You're so stupid that you weren't aware of any of that, and that's obvious by how you through AIDS in this conversation as if HIV and AIDS are interchangeable. We were talking about HIV the entire time, who said anything about AIDS?

all the stats, stories, websites we have quoted use the terms interchangeably or they say hiv/aids yes the two terms mean different things, but everybody knows exactly what your talking about no matter what term you use. Again why argue semantics, why does this have to do with your point?

In other words, you believe in the stats except when you want to discredit them. Look, I'm simply taking the stats for what they are as far as discussion purposes goes. They're not the Gospel as far as I'm concerned. The point is that there are millions of men who have caught HIV from women. I'm starting to think that you're a female and that's why you don't want to acknowledge that. Youve definitely got feminine ways.

i don't know how many, but yes men have caught hiv from women, what i do know is that exponentially more men have caught it from other men. If a million men caught it from vagina 30 million have caught it from getting their ass pounded

You need a tutor. I'm saying that I don't think that there are as many "down-low" black men out here as people lke you believe. On the other hand you seem like you're speaking from 1st-hand experience so maybe I should fall back and let you tell it.

how do you know? Im going by statistics, and human nature. Where do you get your numbers from?

You're downplaying the act that straight men are catching HIV from women. Yes it's most commonly passed by penetration, vaginal penetration(man to women and women to men). I didn't compare worldwide stats to America, I just listed the worldwide stats. I'm not talking about just America, I'm talking about how HIV is spread period. I'll say it again since you're slow, the most common way that the disease is passed worldwide is through vaginal sex. That's a fact.

its most commonly passed from men to women through vaginal sex you don't have any proof to say its passed from men to women most commonly. but again, why are we talking worldwide stats if we are talking about how American black women catch the disease?

So what? Straight men are still at risk dummy, that's the point.

never said they were not at risk, i said they have the least risk. Improbable not Impossible

You're as dumb as a doorknob. Yes, lots of people in Africa engage in risky behavior because their ignorant and don't know any better. Some people in Africa have all kinds of silly misconceptions and believe in stupid myths regarding HIV. I said that ignorance is a huge reason why HIV has spread through Africa and you responded saying that anal sex was the main culprit.
Anal sex is not the main reason that HIV has spread through Africa.

its not spreading due to men catching the disease from women either

I see why you have a hard time keeping up, you're a nitwit that needs to be spoonfed. Gay men have a higher rate of being infected with HIV, but the disease is most commonly passed through hetero sex.

:minblown: how does this even make sense. if 75% of new aids cases occur in gay men, then how is the disease most commonly being passed through hetero sex?

It's safe to assume that homos are passing it to each other, but how is it safe to assume that homosexual men are spreading it to women? That's the unsubstantiated leap that you keep making with nothing to back you up.

because 75% of new aids cases occur in gay men. you think the small minority of straight men with the disease are passing it on to ALL the women. Its all statistics there are more gay men with aids, aids is much easier passed through anal sex and needle use, so common sense should tell you gay or needle using men are spreading the disease more than anyone else.

 

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Doesn't matter if you add "in comparison" things either increase or decrease you cant call a decreasing thing "skyrocketing" you can say the disparity between the two is skyrocketing,(which it isnt) but that's not what you said

My man, you're just stupid. "Black women's HIV rate is increasing in comparison to women of other races" is a factual statement. It's not my fault that you don't understand simple english. You just said words don't matter

it is not likely/improbable, i never said anybody should feel comfortable having unprotected sex. HIV kills doesn't matter how big of a chance you have in catching it, its always best to protect yourself.

I asked you a question, so what's your point? 20% of gay men have HIV in America, that means that 80% don't have it. So it's improbable or unlikely for a gay man to catch HIV from another man too.

you aint smacking shyt

Only because you aren't within arm's length.

again you cant bring worldwide stats into the conversation, most of those countries dont even keep track of homosexuals, and even then its most commonly passed from men to women, not the other way around.

Like I said, you vouch for and discredit stats depending on if you can use them to bolster your argument. You're a clown.

why are the stats so different between America and Africa? its the same disease, why are the numbers so different?

There are a number of reasons. When I tried to explain that ignorance is a huge reason why Africa has been hit so hard by the virus, you dismissed it and tried to put it on anal sex.

all the stats, stories, websites we have quoted use the terms interchangeably or they say hiv/aids yes the two terms mean different things, but everybody knows exactly what your talking about no matter what term you use. Again why argue semantics, why does this have to do with your point?

No, all the sites don't use HIV and AIDS interchangeably. There's no need to lie. Even if some of them do, that doesn't mean that it's correct. That just means that you aren't the only dummy out here. It's not semantics, HIV is a virus AIDS is a condition.

i don't know how many, but yes men have caught hiv from women, what i do know is that exponentially more men have caught it from other men. If a million men caught it from vagina 30 million have caught it from getting their ass pounded

That may be true in America, but it's not necessarily true worldwide. You continue to dodge the point, which is that men are catching it from women and you keep trying to downplay or dismiss that. What is your obsession with homos? You can't get off of them.

how do you know? Im going by statistics, and human nature. Where do you get your numbers from?

The phrase "I don't think" signified that I was offering an opinion. If that comment was based on facts, I would've made a factual comment instead of offering an opinion. You aren't going by statistics and human nature, you're just leaping to conclusions following a simplistic line of thinking.

its most commonly passed from men to women through vaginal sex you don't have any proof to say its passed from men to women most commonly. but again, why are we talking worldwide stats if we are talking about how American black women catch the disease?

I never said that women to men transmission was most common. You said that anal sex was the main culprit of the spread of the disease, I simply disproved that. Hetero sex is the main way that the disease is spread. The worldwide stats are important because they refute your simpleminded position. There are reasons why gay men in America have a much higher HIV rate than other demographics, besides the biology of the disease. Especially black homos. Again, the worldwide ratio of HIV among men and women is 1-1 and the most common way that the disease is spread worldwide is through hetero sex. So either women to men transmission occurs a lot more than you'd like to believe, or there are huge amounts of "down-low" men sleeping with a huge amounts of women all over the world.

never said they were not at risk, i said they have the least risk. Improbable not Impossible

What is the point of repeating this over and over when nobody has argued against it? I've never denied that straight men are at a lesser risk of catching HIV than gay men.

its not spreading due to men catching the disease from women either

Based on what evidence? It most certainly is, you're just too stupid to accept it.

In low-income countries, the risk of female-to-male transmission is estimated as 0.38% per act, and of male-to-female transmission as 0.30% per act; (courtesy of the wikipedia link)



Does that actually say that in some countries the risk of female to male transmission is higher than the risk of male to female transmission?

:minblown: how does this even make sense. if 75% of new aids cases occur in gay men, then how is the disease most commonly being passed through hetero sex?

because 75% of new aids cases occur in gay men. you think the small minority of straight men with the disease are passing it on to ALL the women. Its all statistics there are more gay men with aids, aids is much easier passed through anal sex and needle use, so common sense should tell you gay or needle using men are spreading the disease more than anyone else.

You're comparing an American statistic to a worldwide statistic. In America 75% of new male HIV cases are gay. Worldwide HIV is most commonly spread through hetero sex. Spoonfed.

It's not common sense to think that gay men are passing it on to women. Like I've said, you're just simple. It's quite possible that a lot of these women are being infected by the same men. If you look at the areas where these women's HIV rates are the highest, it's poor areas where the population is concentrated. Take DC for instance. You don't think that it's possible that a lot of those women are sleeping with the same men?

 

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I just gonna say this, then im done cause we are getting nowhere.

Worldwide HIV stats are wildly inaccurate and shouldnt even be brought up in the covsersation about black women in America.

Do you know how they come up with those numbers you keep quoting?
They get a small sample of pregnant women, check them for aids symptoms, (In some cases they don't actually test for HIV) then they put the numbers in a computer system, which estimates the number for the entire country. They don't even try to figure out where/how the people contracted aids. In most of those countries homosexuality is illegal, so the subject doesn't even come up when anylizing the aids pandemic. The countries that tend to have the highest amount of aids sufferer, have the least ability to properly diagnose or report it's aids cases.

Check out this article written in a south African newspaper.
afrol News - Is the African AIDS pandemic a bluff?

Mr Bennell regrets that "there is virtually no population-based survey data in most of the high-prevalence countries, including Botswana, Ethiopia, Malawi, Lesotho, Namibia and Swaziland."

In Lesotho, for example, UNAIDS' computer-generated estimates have shown dramatic increases in HIV prevalence without testing of the population. While UNAIDS estimates put HIV prevalence at 8.4 percent in Lesotho in 1997, this boomed to 23.6 percent in 1999 and 32 percent in 2001. The numbers have never been tested in real life, however.

So on to American stats, which is what we began talking about. To date it is estimated that about 600,000 Americans have died of aids. Currently about 16%(this number was much lower in the past but we will stick with it)of new cases are found in straight men.

So that means in the last 30 years, less than 96,000 straight men have died of aids in America.

Out of millions of straight men, having sex, and dying for a multitude of reasons, only 96,000 have died of aids. Like i said at the beginning, the chances of a straight man contracting HIV in America are very slim.

When it comes to black women, if it was common for women to pass on HIV to men, then straight black men would have similar numbers to their female counterparts, They don't, in fact straight black men's numbers are similar to that of other straight men, very low. If we know that both gay men and black women have the highest infection rates, the only reasonable conclusion is that they are getting it from gay men.