HL Climate Change Thread: Fare the well old world

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Wait, we actually have dumbass in here that still believe Global Warming (oh wait they renamed it Climate Change cuz there was no factual data supporting global warming)?

In 2016 y'all still believe Al Gore's bullshyt:mjlol:

Shut down those billions in funding Trump, fukk a debt:blessed:
 

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Makes sense,why fund vodoo science...remember Al gore telling us how by now we would all be underwater ,the polar bears would die ...so far the ice cap is growing,polar bears are now a dangerous nuisance .
the story kept changing first it was "global warming " nothing warmed so now its "climate change"

No sh*t the climate changes all the time..the sahara was once a forest
 

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Makes sense,why fund vodoo science...remember Al gore telling us how by now we would all be underwater ,the polar bears would die ...so far the ice cap is growing,polar bears are now a dangerous nuisance .
the story kept changing first it was "global warming " nothing warmed so now its "climate change"

No sh*t the climate changes all the time..the sahara was once a forest

Heard that before.... like the rainforest in sa isn't that old either..
 

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Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson Has a Unique Reason for Shrugging Off Climate Change
Apparently, we shouldn’t bother worrying because someday the sun will encompass our whole planet.
By Jeremy Schulman


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What, him worry?

Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images

This story has been republished with permission as part of our collaboration with Climate Desk.

Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate for president, takes what he calls the “long-term view” of climate change. “In billions of years,” he said in 2011, “the sun is going to actually grow and encompass the Earth, right? So global warming is in our future.”

The former New Mexico governor did acknowledge that humans are making the world warmer in the near term, too—but he doesn’t think the government should do much about it. In the same speech, he denounced “cap-and-trade taxation,” said we “should be building new coal-fired plants,” and argued that the “trillions” of dollars it would cost to combat climate change would be better spent on other priorities.

All of that makes Johnson’s popularity among younger voters pretty surprising.Surveys have consistently found that millennials care deeply about climate change. A November 2015 ABC News/Washington Post poll, for example, found that 76 percent of 18- to-29-year-olds see global warming as a serious problem, and 64 percent want the federal government to do more to combat it. Nevertheless, a recent Quinnipiac poll found that Johnson is now running second among 18- to-34-year-old voters, just 2 percentage points behind Hillary Clinton.

Johnson’s 2011 comments weren’t an aberration. Over the past few years, he has spoken out repeatedly against environmental regulation. In a 2011 NPR interview, he instead called for a “free-market approach” to reducing carbon emissions, arguing that consumer demand for cleaner energy, coupled with cheap natural gas, was causing a shift away from coal. He made the same argument during a Libertarian presidential candidate debate in May 2012. “If government gets involved” in fighting climate change, he said, “we are going to be spending trillions of dollars and have no effect whatsoever on the desired outcome.”

During his 2012 campaign, Johnson called for cutting federal spending by 43 percent. In one interview, he noted that this would also mean a 43 percent reduction in the Environmental Protection Agency’s budget. (During that same interview, he repeated his statement about the sun eventually destroying the planet: “Long-term consequence of our existence in the whole scheme of things is the sun is getting closer to the Earth and that at a point in the very distant future, the sun will actually encompass the Earth. So global warming is something that’s going to be inevitable.”)

For most of his 2016 campaign, Johnson has maintained his opposition to government efforts to deal with global warming. His campaign website acknowledges that the climate is “probably” changing and that humans are “probably” contributing to that change. But, it adds:

[T]he critical question is whether the politicians’ efforts to regulate, tax and manipulate the private sector are cost-effective—or effective at all. The debate should be about how we can protect our resources and environment for future generations. Governors Johnson and [Libertarian vice presidential nominee William] Weld strongly believe that the federal government should prevent future harm by focusing on regulations that protect us from real harm, rather than needlessly costing American jobs and freedom in order to pursue a political agenda.

In July, Johnson was asked during an appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher whether he had a “comprehensive plan to combat climate change.” Johnson’s answer: “No.” He went on to argue that the coal industry’s recent struggles were a result of free-market forces (such as cheap natural gas) rather than the Obama administration’s new climate regulations. (Many experts say both factors have played significant roles in coal’s decline. Former Climate Desk reporter Tim McDonnell has argued that of the two, the market forces are indeed more important.)

But then Johnson’s stance changed dramatically. In an August interview with the Los Angeles Times, he announced he was “open” to the idea of the federal government imposing a revenue-neutral tax on carbon emissions. Economists have long viewed acarbon tax as the most efficient way of putting a price on greenhouse gas emissions in an effort to limit warming—many see it as preferable to the complex cap-and-trade proposal backed by President Barack Obama during his first term. In a subsequent interview on CNBC, Johnson called a carbon tax a “very libertarian proposal” under which “the market will take care of” climate change. (During the Democratic primaries, Bernie Sanders endorsed a carbon tax; Clinton did not.)

Many Libertarians and conservatives were outraged by Johnson’s sudden embrace of a carbon tax. “It’s Official: Gary Johnson Is a Left-Wing Candidate,” declared theFederalist, a conservative publication. After plenty of public criticism from the right, Johnson changed his mind, telling supporters at a New Hampshire rally that after considering a carbon tax, “I have determined that, you know what, it’s a great theory, but I don’t think it can work, and I’ve worked my way through that.” His flip-flop drew loud applause from the crowd.

Johnson elaborated in an interview the following day with the libertarian magazine Reason. He declared himself a “skeptic” when it comes to the idea “that government policy can address” climate issues and said a carbon tax “sounds good in theory, but it wouldn’t work in practice.”

“So, no support for a carbon fee,” Johnson added. “I never raised one penny of tax as governor of New Mexico, not one cent in any area. Taxes to me are like a death plague.”

And besides, what good will all those taxes do for us when the sun engulfs our planet?

Gary Johnson Shrugs Off Climate Change Because "The Sun Will Actually Encompass the Earth" One Day

fascinating!

videos in link

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Gary's done, breh. Your handlers would probably prefer their money put to better use.
 

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  • AUTHOR: ALEC LUHN.ALEC LUHN SCIENCE
  • DATE OF PUBLICATION: 10.20.16.10.20.16
  • TIME OF PUBLICATION: 7:00 AM.7:00 AM
ARCTIC CITIES CRUMBLE AS CLIMATE CHANGE THAWS PERMAFROST
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A man walks past a Soviet era housing block near the Nurd Kamal mosque in the arctic Russian city of Norilsk.ROGER BACON/REUTERS/ALAMY

This story originally appeared on the Guardian and is part of the Climate Desk collaboration.

At first, Yury Scherbakov thought the cracks appearing in a wall he had installed in his two-room flat were caused by shoddy workmanship. But then other walls started cracking, and then the floor started to incline. “We sat on the couch and could feel it tilt,” says his wife, Nadezhda, as they carry furniture out of the flat.

Yury wasn’t a poor craftsman, and Nadezhda wasn’t crazy: One corner of their five-story building at 59 Talnakhskaya Street in the northern Russian city of Norilsk was sinking as the permafrost underneath it thawed and the foundation slowly disintegrated. In March 2015, local authorities posted notices in the stairwells that the building was condemned.

Cracking and collapsing structures are a growing problem in cities like Norilsk—a nickel-producing centre of 177,000 people located 180 miles above the Arctic Circle—as climate change thaws the perennially frozen soil and increases precipitation. Valery Tereshkov, deputy head of the emergencies ministry in the Krasnoyarsk region, wrote in an article this year that almost 60 percent of all buildings in Norilsk have been deformed as a result of climate change shrinking the permafrost zone. Local engineers said more than 100 residential buildings, or one-tenth of the housing fund, have been vacated here due to damage from thawing permafrost.

In most cases, these are slow-motion wrecks that can be patched up or prevented by engineering solutions. But if a foundation shifts suddenly it can put lives at risk: cement slabs broke a doctor’s legs when the front steps and overhanging roof of a Norilsk blood bank collapsed in June 2015. Building and maintenance costs will have to be ramped up to keep cities in Russia’s resource-rich north running.

Engineers and geologists are careful to note that “technogenic factors” like sewer and building heat and chemical pollution are also warming the permafrost in places like Norilsk, the most polluted city in Russia. But climate change is deepening the thaw and speeding up the destruction, at the very same time that Russia is establishing new military bases and oil-drilling infrastructure across the Arctic. Greenpeace has warned that permafrost thawing has caused thousands of oil and gas pipeline breaks.

“There were problems there before, but climate change exacerbates them,” says Ali Kerimov, an engineer at Foundation Research and Production in Norilsk. “We need to study each case separately to understand what awaits us with climate change.”

Global warming has been tied to more frequent forest fires and flooding across Russia, but its impact on permafrost, which covers two-thirds of the country’s territory, is also beginning to be felt. At least seven giant craters have been discovered in Siberia—reportedly caused by thawing permafrost allowing methane to explode out of the ground—and a 12-year-old boy in Salekhard died from anthrax in August after thawing released bacteria.

Arctic islands and the northern coastline—and scientific outposts there—are disappearing into the sea as permafrost thaws, sea ice melts and wave action increases. Valery Grebenets of Moscow State University’s department of cryolithology and glaciology teaches his students 13 “horror stories” about thawing permafrost, including buckling roads and railways, soil runoff killing fish and the release of toxic and radioactive pollutants contained by frozen dams.

Flying into Norilsk at the end of August, when the vegetation of the treeless tundra was already turning orange and spots of snow were on the ground from an early storm, it’s hard to picture this warming. Built by gulag prisoners starting in 1935, the city gets more than six weeks of polar night and up to 2 million tonnes of snow each winter, when the temperature can drop below -51 degrees C (-60F).

But average annual temperatures in the Arctic are rising faster than anywhere else—more than 2 degrees C since 1900, and a 2015 study found increases in soil temperatures across Russia’s permafrost regions over the last 50 years. Soil temperatures in Norilsk increased by almost 1 degree C between 1999 and 2013.


Climate Change Is Accelerating Permafrost Thawing. And It’s Destroying Arctic Cities.

Continued in link. Thoughts?
 
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Wasn't aware how devastating this would be for arctic industrial cities

I figured it would make their jobs easier with higher temps and less ice/snow and that global warming mostly hurt equatorial countries, island nations and warm countries.
 

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Poles shift, climates change. Time to adapt, relocate and build like the species before. Florida was once covered in ice and partially underwater (probably should have remained that way due to those inbreds currently occupying that Hell Hole).
 

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Poles shift, climates change. Time to adapt, relocate and build like the species before. Florida was once covered in ice and partially underwater (probably should have remained that way due to those inbreds currently occupying that Hell Hole).
It's hard to adapt when you're the major contributor to the problem :francis:
 
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