HL Climate Change Thread: Fare the well old world

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I remember looking at tv shows in the 90s about construction in Siberia and northern russia not needing real foundations, and just building on the frozen ground.

Guess it shows you how stupid that was in retrospect

:manny: The costs of melting the frozen dirt all the way down to the bedrock were probably too high...i saw this construction show on alaska once where they dont bother with a foundation just drill holes and pour concrete posts (piles) for the building to stand on
 

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According to the archives of Norillag, 16,806 prisoners died in Norilsk under the conditions of forced labor, starvation and intense cold during the existence of the camp (1935–1956).[11] Fatalities were especially high during the war years of 1942–1944 when food supplies were particularly scarce. Prisoners organised the nonviolent Norilsk uprising in 1953. Unknown but significant numbers of prisoners continued to serve and die in the mines until around 1979. Norilsk-Talknakh continues to be a dangerous mine to work in: according to the mining company, there were 2.4 accidents per thousand workers in 2005.[12] Since the early 2000s the city has been rebuilding itself and reshaping its image. Bars on the top floors of apartments are appearing and buildings are getting renovated.


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There's no way out by car either, you have to take a boat or plane. The railway only goes north.

In the early 1950s, another railway was under construction from the European coal city Vorkuta via theSalekhard/Ob River, and Norilsk got a spacious railway station built in the expectation of train service to Moscow,[9] but construction stopped after Joseph Stalin died.
 

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:manny: The costs of melting the frozen dirt all the way down to the bedrock were probably too high...i saw this construction show on alaska once where they dont bother with a foundation just drill holes and pour concrete posts (piles) for the building to stand on

Piling is pretty common even in non frozen areas, especially marsh land.
but building on frozen land with no piling, and not even trying to get below the frost line, like they were doing in russia is short-sighted at best.
 

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This thread sent me down a 2 hour you tube rabbit hole yesterday. I wanted to see how people survive and tolerate living in those types of conditions ended up watching a bunch of documentaries on the Russian tundra.

The residents of that city have the highest rates of cancer anywhere.

The average lifespan is 50 years old which is 10 years less than Russia's already dismal average lifespan.

In the state where that city is located, there are 10s of thousands of indigenous peoples still leading a nomadic lifestyle. They are so good at surviving in those harsh conditions that the tepees they build out of deer hide insulate just as good as modern buildings.
 

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This thread sent me down a 2 hour you tube rabbit hole yesterday. I wanted to see how people survive and tolerate living in those types of conditions ended up watching a bunch of documentaries on the Russian tundra.

The residents of that city have the highest rates of cancer anywhere.

The average lifespan is 50 years old which is 10 years less than Russia's already dismal average lifespan.

In the state where that city is located, there are 10s of thousands of indigenous peoples still leading a nomadic lifestyle. They are so good at surviving in those harsh conditions that the tepees they build out of deer hide insulate just as good as modern buildings.
Any ideas as to why the cancer rate is so high?
 

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Any ideas as to why the cancer rate is so high?

The pollution from all the mining.

Norilsk was founded in 1935 as a Siberian slave labor camp, and life there has pretty much gone downhill since. Home to the world's largest heavy metal smelting complex, more than 4 million tons of cadmium, copper, lead, nickel, arsenic, selenium and zinc are released into the air every year. Air samples exceed the maximum allowance for both copper and nickel, and mortality from respiratory diseases is much higher than in Russia as a whole. "Within 30 miles (48 km) of the nickel smelter there's not a single living tree," says Fuller. "It's just a wasteland."
 

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If anyone is into armageddon conspiracies and shyt

Take a look into the clathrate gun hypothesis...

Essentially as permafrost thaws in these supposedly permafrosted areas, like latitude above 65 degrees, will melt snd release tons of methane and co2 which will exponentislly increase warming...

Same lands where all this nickel and ores are found
 

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If anyone is into armageddon conspiracies and shyt

Take a look into the clathrate gun hypothesis...

Essentially as permafrost thaws in these supposedly permafrosted areas, like latitude above 65 degrees, will melt snd release tons of methane and co2 which will exponentislly increase warming...

Same lands where all this nickel and ores are found

not having to wait for the sun to kill us


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