Hong Kong has entered a state of mass civil disobedience

[joeychizzle]

Right now I'm watching the news, and the leaders of Hong Kong are sipping champagne and laughing with each other, celebrating China National Day while thousands upon thousands protest in the streets.

The smile on our leader's face as he toasts his fellow corrupt brehs is despicable. I might go and check out the buzz. If so there'll be pics later.

 

[jilla82]

In recent years, there has been a massive influx of mainland Chinese people, coming down, taking our jobs, clogging our streets, taking our allocated school places (kids are allocated spots here, because schools are at capacity), giving birth in our hospitals and claiming benefits. Mainland Chinese students come to our universities and receive tens of thousands of US dollar's worth in grants each while local students struggle. They are often loud, often low class, hate us for living a better life. They are seen as a nuisance. Worse yet, the government allows this daily desecration of our city because the officials in the Chinese capital have paid them billions. Due to the increasing number of classless millionaires and rising GDP, they come down and throw money in our faces, acting as though money gives you power and authority. The worst of all this is that they are greatly boosting our economy, so we are forced to yield. It's insulting.

I say the vast, vast majority of Hong Kong citizens are highly against this. Everywhere I go, all I hear and see is complaints and hatred for the mainlanders. The better side of me acknowledges that all are equal and deserve equal opportunities, but the realistic side of me sees the changing landscape. When I was still studying in the UK years ago, Hong Kong was a beautiful place. It is still beautiful now, but it is tinged with the smell of lower-class citizens dirtying our place.

I say the ratio of people that support democracy over pre-elected puppets is about 85:15. There will always be those who support the flipside.

My ex was from China though. The only one I ever loved. Deeply. (no drake though)

Now I have no dog in this fight...
...but could you imagine if someone in the U.S. said this about Mexicans or hood black folks?
Yall would be in an uproar.
Nor saying I dont know where youre coming from...but I find it odd that folks on here give that pass, when they have tons of excuses for people that exhibit that same behavior in our country (the U.S.).

So why does everyone support this?
China doesnt want HK to go in a different direction...they want to keep it Chinese and not give way to western ways, or have too much of a western influence.
Can you really blame them?

Im thinking of going back to HK/China in the spring...so I hope yall get this shyt together by then.

 

[joeychizzle]

Now I have no dog in this fight...
...but could you imagine if someone in the U.S. said this about Mexicans or hood black folks?
Yall would be in an uproar.
Nor saying I dont know where youre coming from...but I find it odd that folks on here give that pass, when they have tons of excuses for people that exhibit that same behavior in our country (the U.S.).

So why does everyone support this?
China doesnt want HK to go in a different direction...they want to keep it Chinese and not give way to western ways, or have too much of a western influence.
Can you really blame them?

Im thinking of going back to HK/China in the spring...so I hope yall get this shyt together by then.

It pains me to state the facts but what's true is true. I can't speak for Mexicans and hood black folks - many Mexicans went north because of choice, and I can't speculate on what I'm not familiar with. Black folk, on the other hand, were forcefully brought there by whites, and are now suppressed by whites, so to speak of them the way I speak of the mainlanders, who come down purely by choice, without threats or coercion, wouldn't be right.

Without trying to point fingers, excuses are just excuses, BUT the actions of a few do not speak for all.
Sometimes, I feel that Western people are a little.. apologist. But then there are many circumstances, factors and other things that cause people to act a certain way, and I try not to judge. Stereotypes are there for a reason, but we shouldn't use them like a blueprint.

Hong Kong people are stubborn and don't like to be told what to do by the mainland Chinese officials, or anyone in particular really. Many see them as outdated and suppressive, e.g. banning websites, one kid policy, patrolling twitter-like websites with agents that warn you if you post an anti-government tweet and get over 500 retweets, the corruption, and the unfortunate fact that many mainlanders are rude as fukk. if you deal with people that always seem to be rude as fukk, you will begin to dislike them.

Hong Kong has always been that mix of west and east. I myself had british and american teachers growing up, and am basically thoroughly westernised, so I see the benefits of western liberalness and shyt like that. On the other hand I wouldn't be particularly fond of foreign people dipping their hands into our business that much.

I can't really blame em. The British were here for a long time, and they have left behind things that cannot be seen, or measured. Chill with a mainlander, and chill with a Hong Konger, and you will notice a difference. (not the ones that grew up where you at though obviously)
We're considered more forward thinking than our mainland brethren, and they wish to keep us on a leash. Add in their despise of the west and it's just complicated.

Right now everyone wants the leader to step the fukk down.

 

[Consigliere]

@joeychizzle came through and blessed this thread with some dope unexpected insights into the dynamics between Hong Kongers & the mainland Chinese.

On a related note, what do the people of Hong Kong call themselves? Hong Kongolese? Hong Kongolesian?

 

[The War Report]

Now I have no dog in this fight...
...but could you imagine if someone in the U.S. said this about Mexicans or hood black folks?
Yall would be in an uproar.
Nor saying I dont know where youre coming from...but I find it odd that folks on here give that pass, when they have tons of excuses for people that exhibit that same behavior in our country (the U.S.).

So why does everyone support this?
China doesnt want HK to go in a different direction...they want to keep it Chinese and not give way to western ways, or have too much of a western influence.
Can you really blame them?

Im thinking of going back to HK/China in the spring...so I hope yall get this shyt together by then.

It's different because they're really shytting on their own. It's just that Hong Kongers have developed their own identity that differs from the mainlanders.

 

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1 October 2014 Last updated at 23:10 ET
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China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi has warned against "illegal" protests in Hong Kong, amid major pro-democracy rallies in the territory.

Mr Wang, in Washington, said the matter was an "internal affair" for China.

US counterpart John Kerry urged Hong Kong to handle the protests - seen as a challenge to Beijing - with restraint.

In Hong Kong, students angry at China's plan to vet candidates for 2017 polls have vowed to step up protests if Chief Executive CY Leung does not quit.

They say protesters will start occupying government buildings if Mr Leung does not resign by Thursday night.

Overnight, some 3,000 protesters massed outside Mr Leung's office in a stand-off with some 200 police, AFP news agency reports. There is a heavy police presence outside government offices, the South China Morning Post reports.

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The US and China expressed different views about events in Hong Kong

'High hopes'
The protesters include students, supporters of pro-democracy group Occupy Central and others angered by the initial police response to rallies at the weekend, which included using tear gas.

Mr Wang, the most senior Chinese official to speak openly on the matter, said: "Hong Kong affairs are China's internal affairs. All countries should respect China's sovereignty. For any country, for any society, no-one will allow those illegal acts that violate public order."

Protesters have been sleeping on roads around government buildings for several days

There is a heavy police presence outside the office of Chief Executive CY Leung
But he said he believed Hong Kong authorities had "the capability to properly handle the current situation in accordance with the law".

Mr Kerry said the US supported universal suffrage in Hong Kong, adding he hoped local authorities would "exercise restraint and respect for the protesters' right to express their views peacefully".

In China, an editorial in People's Daily warned of "unimaginable consequences" if the protests continued, while state TV said Hong Kong's police should be supported in their attempts to "restore the social order as soon as possible".

Analysis: BBC's Fergal Keane, Hong Kong

This crisis is about the most fundamental promise of democracy: who should choose the man or woman who governs Hong Kong?

The nub of the argument is with Article 45 of the Basic Law - the agreement that underpinned Hong Kong's transition from British to Chinese rule.

It says the "ultimate aim" should be to elect the chief executive by universal suffrage. To that end, the law stipulated that a "broadly representative" nominating committee should select candidates for election.

But in August, the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, China's rubber stamp parliament, ruled that candidates needed to get more than half the votes of that committee. Pro-democracy activists sensed a stitch-up: they believe the committee will be loaded with Beijing's supporters and will ensure China controls nominations.

This is not a campaign to change China or overthrow the Communist Party, but a passionately local campaign for a big principle.

On Wednesday, Lester Shum, the vice-secretary of the Hong Kong Federation of Students, said he hoped Mr Leung would resign within a day.

"Otherwise, we will announce an escalation of our movement, including occupying or surrounding different government buildings."

Protesters shield police from the rain in Hong Kong's so-called "umbrella revolution"
Chan Kin-man of Occupy Central urged the students to be peaceful, but also called on Mr Leung to quit, saying: "We can talk to anyone in the government except him... resign for the sake of Hong Kong."

Thousands of demonstrators remain camped out at the main protest sites in the Central business district, Causeway Bay and Mong Kok.

In other developments:

• Mainland authorities have suspended bookings for tour groups to Hong Kong, the South China Morning Post reported
• On Wednesday, several rallies supporting the protests took place around the world, including in Taiwan, London and Macau
• Rights groups say some mainland-based activists have been detained

'A week or a month'
Several reports, citing unidentified Hong Kong sources, suggest the authorities plan to wait, hoping the protest campaign will lose momentum.

The Wall St Journal quoted a Hong Kong source as saying that Mr Leung was planning to ride out the rallies and had been ordered by Beijing not to use violence.

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A Hong Kong government source told Reuters: "It may take a week or a month, we don't know. Unless there's some chaotic situation, we won't send in riot police... we hope this doesn't happen."

Speaking to the BBC, former Hong Kong Governor Chris Patten accused China of breaching commitments it made to Hong Kong before taking over sovereignty from the UK in 1997.

But he said he did not believe China "would be so stupid as to do anything like sending in the army."

Hong Kong democracy timeline

• 1997: UK gives Hong Kong back to China under a 1984 agreement giving it "a high degree of autonomy" for 50 years
• 2004: China says it must approve any changes to Hong Kong's election laws
• June-July 2014: Pro-democracy activists hold an unofficial referendum on political reform. Both sides hold large rallies
• 31 August 2014: China says it will allow direct elections in 2017 but will pre-approve candidates
• 22 September 2014: Student groups launch a week-long boycott of classes
• 28 September 2014: Occupy Central and student protests join forces and take over central Hong Kong
• 2017: Direct elections for chief executive due to take place
• 2047: Expiry of current agreements

Q&A: Hong Kong's democracy controversy

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29453490

 

[alybaba]

Hong Kong is one of my favourite cities to visit and I really hope they get to keep their autonomy and unique identity. If you haven't been, definitely check it out, from fun parts of Central like LKF and Soho to the craziness of Chungking Mansions.

 

[无名的]

Hong Kong is one of my favourite cities to visit and I really hope they get to keep their autonomy and unique identity. If you haven't been, definitely check it out, from fun parts of Central like LKF and Soho to the craziness of Chungking Mansions.

I stayed in the Chungking Mansions a few times.



But yeah... Hong Kong is one of the coolest cities I've visited. A walk down Nathan Road is a trip. The relentless high-pressure tactics to get you to buy a tailored suit or copy watch or (muttered under the breath so quick you barely know what hit you) hashish is unparalleled.

The bar scene with fine ass women from all over.



Victoria Peak at night with the lit up skyline.



Whenever I'd cross from Hong Kong to China I felt like I was going from the US to Liberia

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

the drone videos are crazy

 

[jilla82]

It pains me to state the facts but what's true is true. I can't speak for Mexicans and hood black folks - many Mexicans went north because of choice, and I can't speculate on what I'm not familiar with. Black folk, on the other hand, were forcefully brought there by whites, and are now suppressed by whites, so to speak of them the way I speak of the mainlanders, who come down purely by choice, without threats or coercion, wouldn't be right.

Without trying to point fingers, excuses are just excuses, BUT the actions of a few do not speak for all.
Sometimes, I feel that Western people are a little.. apologist. But then there are many circumstances, factors and other things that cause people to act a certain way, and I try not to judge. Stereotypes are there for a reason, but we shouldn't use them like a blueprint.

Hong Kong people are stubborn and don't like to be told what to do by the mainland Chinese officials, or anyone in particular really. Many see them as outdated and suppressive, e.g. banning websites, one kid policy, patrolling twitter-like websites with agents that warn you if you post an anti-government tweet and get over 500 retweets, the corruption, and the unfortunate fact that many mainlanders are rude as fukk. if you deal with people that always seem to be rude as fukk, you will begin to dislike them.

Hong Kong has always been that mix of west and east. I myself had british and american teachers growing up, and am basically thoroughly westernised, so I see the benefits of western liberalness and shyt like that. On the other hand I wouldn't be particularly fond of foreign people dipping their hands into our business that much.

I can't really blame em. The British were here for a long time, and they have left behind things that cannot be seen, or measured. Chill with a mainlander, and chill with a Hong Konger, and you will notice a difference. (not the ones that grew up where you at though obviously)
We're considered more forward thinking than our mainland brethren, and they wish to keep us on a leash. Add in their despise of the west and it's just complicated.

Right now everyone wants the leader to step the fukk down.

No I understand what youre saying.
I was just pointing out how people on here are very dogmatic, without even thinking about the issue.

If this was going down in the U.S. the majority of people would be for letting the mainlanders do what they want in HK.

Truth is...there is no way in hell China is letting HK go.
They probably see it as the NYC of China.

 

[Kritic]

They probably see it as the NYC of China.

 

[joeychizzle]

@joeychizzle came through and blessed this thread with some dope unexpected insights into the dynamics between Hong Kongers & the mainland Chinese.

On a related note, what do the people of Hong Kong call themselves? Hong Kongolese? Hong Kongolesian?

Hong Kongers is the most common term.

No I understand what youre saying.
I was just pointing out how people on here are very dogmatic, without even thinking about the issue.

If this was going down in the U.S. the majority of people would be for letting the mainlanders do what they want in HK.

Truth is...there is no way in hell China is letting HK go.
They probably see it as the NYC of China.

yeah, quite a few people on the coli speak only of their opinion, without receipts. sometimes it's hilarious though. like that idiot who said sharks have blowholes. had to son that dude

The leader is about to speak to the public in a few minutes.. what he says next is gonna reeeaaal fukkin important.
I checked it out today so I'll edit this post in a few minutes with vids and pics

ok here we go, joeychizzle reporting from COLI NEWS
this is a quick view of how it looks like
> dozens of tents set up with free water, food, face masks and other essential shyt
> thousands of volunteers to ensure safety and handing out resources
> no violence whatsoever. anyone that talks shyt is quickly told to chill and leave
> the sense of unity is amazing brehs. everyone is coming together for a common cause
> people of all cultures comin together. I spoke to Canadians, Nepalese, Saudis, Senegalese, French, and American people and they all ride for us
> there are dozens of open air tents, micc'd up, letting anyone and everyone speak their mind for 2 minutes. everyone is cheered hard and encouraged. whenever people talk bout supporting the chinese government, they're still allowed to speak, but booed. no throwing shyt
> retired SWAT officers and cops came out in support of the people and condemned the police for firing 87 CS gas rounds at students with their hands up.
> there are 5 main hotspots, all districts with the most humanflow (is that even a word?) my estimates are that over a million people are marching and protesting. million man march yall
> i had the chance to sit down in the middle of the roads with hundreds of others, on this massive tough plastic sheet, and hear celebrities and other influential people speak on how important this is
> double decker buses and sandbags and trashcans and steel rails have been put in place to stop police from entering and shytting on the parade


it was wonderful brehs.. to see so many fight for a common struggle. it made me PROUD to be a Hong Konger.




all my pics and videos

in the centre of this, you got to hold the mic and speak your mind

dude holding the mic is an ex SWAT commander of 14 years. He came out and shytTED on the excessive use of tear gas

shoutout back to my Senegalese, and by further extent all African brehs

free water and other resources. people are donating tonnes of shyt. one white dude set up a barbeque and started grillin over 30,000 dollar's worth of sausages lool

this is the least crowded street i could find

the white banner says peaceful congregation

climbed a lamppost to snap this pic because I'm fukking spiderman

 

[Digga38]

the drone videos are crazy

lank?

 

[Idaeo]

I stayed in the Chungking Mansions a few times.

80% of the people inside Chungking Mansions look like that smiley.

 

[notPsychosiz]

I'm a Canadian living and working in HK right now. On the island where the main protests are happening actually. Pretty crazy but the numbers are getting bigger and the people are really standing up for their rights for an autonomous HK government which was promised to them.

Might go join the protests after work tmrw. Wed and Thurs are BOTH public holidays here so look for alot to go down then.

I understand the resentment of Mainlanders and mainland influence totally after living here but the treatment of Phillipinos has always seemed real to me. The rich here are pretty elitist.

One of my friends here in the states is fillapino. He is routinely treated poorly by korean and japanese folks here. I don't think I know any chinese folks for comparason...
but I used to bang this Vietnamiese chick and she was treated poorly by japanese people as well.

But, then I was watching wrestling and I remember her tryna say Rikishi wasn't asian, he was black (which is partially true), and I was saying he is related to Yokozuna (then after explaining to her who yokozuna was ) she finally was like it doesn't matter cause he's samoan and Samoans aren't even asian. So I don't know how the asian hierchy goes... but they seem to be pretty divided.

Asian brehs, do you count pacific islanders and samoans or not? And what about Inuits/eskimos? Or do you only count people actually from Asia and the Orient?