#HotTake...how Rakim a GOAT but go damn near two decades with NOBODY checking for him??

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I mean.. I don't know about all of what you said but overall Nas proved to be a better artist. Rakim's timing was just off.

18th letter was average and it dropped in 97 :mjlol:

The Master was also average and it dropped in 99. By then Hip Hop was transforming. His timing with his solo efforts were way off.


He went toe to toe with Canibus in his prime though :ohlawd:


 

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Dre fukked that nikka life over

The most destruction I've seen by a label to an artist period

And with Lupe, Wayne, Thugger, amongst others, that's saying something

Imma be dead ass honest and say I don't fukk with either of the latter two Eric B/Rakim joints though. They were for the most parts just monotonous and boring with some pretty great lyricism on paper. Hell most people influenced by Rakim don't even mention those two joints. He basically got Follow The Leader/Paid In Full and 18th Letter and the supposed potential breaker that was Dre and Rakim together
 

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Side question: Did Eric B actually make those beats?:jbhmm: I do wonder how his relationship/connection to Nas impacted his career, if at all? Had to be strange for Ra to see this lil nikka who was around the studio all of a sudden come and take his spot. And then to hear nikkas say the lil nikka was better than him. Had to hurt his soul a little.
Large Professor and Rakim produced most of the tracks.

OP makes an interesting case. Still I feel Rakim's GOAT-tier status makes it hard to fault him too much.

I will say this: it's a shame these older rappers are so out of touch with modern society. There are a lot of producers out there who could create dope shyt with them. A lot of it comes down to drive. What incentive does Rakim have to really get serious about finding good producers, putting together social media content, maybe throwing a documentary together, etc?

Damu The Fudgemonk or Apollo Brown could do a dope ass project with Rakim today.
 

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No one considers Rakim more of a GOAT than Nas

Even old heads will tell you Nas came and was riding the flow better than Ra ever did. Me personally not being an old head and listening to the majority of both catalogues, its not really a discussion at all. Nas was basically Apple to Rakim's Google.
 

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Let's be clear, Ra's place in hip-hop ain't on trial. So, I mean no disrespect. His legacy is certified. He's released classics and created a style for a lot of nikkas' favorite rappers to run with. He's quite simply one of the greatest and most influential rappers ever.

BUT...

And there's a big one


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As much love and respect as Rakim gets, there is this glaring reality...

No one has cared about his music for a very, very long time. Ain't nobody patiently, anxiously waiting for Ra to spit 16s on the mic anymore.

He allegedly dropped an album that came and went in 2009. In fact, the most notable thing he did in the past 15 years is catch feelings about Nas's UBR.

Of course, Ra did most of his heavy lifting with Eric B. in the late 80s and early 90s: Paid in Full ('87), Follow the Leader ('88), Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em ('90), and Don't Sweat the Technique ('92). Not to mention '97's "solo effort," The 18th Letter.

But what the fukk has he done lately. I know, I know, there's a lot of old heads that ain't dropping music or ain't releasing shyt that a lot of nikkas want to hear. And you're right--this thread could have easily been about Kane. Or even rappers who are in the GOAT convo, as well, but still not releasing music that is actually reaching the masses--e.g. KRS, LL.

When you break it down purely by age, he is no more an "old head" than anyone else from the so-called golden age. Rakim's more like a peer to a lot of the nikkas we think are in contention for GOAT status. Son is just 47 years old.

That's a year older than Jay-Z.

Only five years older than Nas.

Yet he's seen like this grandfather. He's revered as this elder statesmen of hip-hop because he came first and pioneered some shyt. But, for some reason, he's not seen as someone who could and should be pushing the culture forward even more in today's climate.

Here's the thing, though. People still look forward to a Jay-Z or Nas project. In fact, they criticize when there's a delay or hold it against them if it's wack.

Rakim's career was 10 years (not a flash in the pan by any means :ehh:) but certainly not the 20 years and counting of a Nas. Think about it, he ain't been hot or relevant this century. :mindblown:

Why is Ra held to a different standard? Why the apparently different expectations? :ld:
You couldn't have a Nas without a Rakim. He just fell off cause he started smoking crack. And dudes started rapping more about selling dope and killing each other rather than metaphysical mystical spherical lyrical miracles.

Hip hop has dumbed down to the point where it's damn near retarded. And I don't say that as a hater, it just is. I'd rather the nikka fall off than grow dreads and be singing crack and codeine carols for strippers.
 

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Does anyone consider Scarface an 80's rapper???

:dwillhuh: Dude, "Grip It on that other Level" is one of the greatest albums of all-time and that was like '88/'89


Tribe Came out in 89, but nobody calls them 80's rappers.

People's Instinctive. . . came out in 1990

Eric B has Dj mixes on those albums. It's a mix between Rakim solo songs and Eric B dj mixes.

No it isn't.

Eric B. did none of the crap he got credit for. Everybody knows that. He let Extra P and all them ghost produce and shyt.

No one considers Rakim more of a GOAT than Nas

:rudy: Dude, there is not ONE MC who gets called GOAT more than Rakim. Not Biggie, Not Pac, Not Jay, Not Nas. Stop it.
 

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Dope, classic song but what's that got to do with this thread, especially when the discussion is about what Ra did (or didn't do) after this song was released :dwillhuh:

Thread title says 'damn near two decades with NOBODY checking for him??

Nothing about the thread title says this thread is only about what he did after this song. again i dont know how people still don't like his music and if they are new to hip hop wouldn't like this song.
 

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This is an unfortunate, but kinda true thread.

Rakim's problem was similar to Melle Mel's problem and Run-DMC's problem and Kurtis Blow's problem.

Hip-Hop used to change rapidly. Rakim's 5 year career was the equivalent to a 30 year career, but Hip-Hop stopped evolving around 1996, so the guys who came out in the mid '90s like Snoop, Jay, Nas didn't get eaten up the way the guys who came earlier did.


In many circles I hear Kool G Rap, Violent J and Scarface
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Side question: Did Eric B actually make those beats?:jbhmm: I do wonder how his relationship/connection to Nas impacted his career, if at all? Had to be strange for Ra to see this lil nikka who was around the studio all of a sudden come and take his spot. And then to hear nikkas say the lil nikka was better than him. Had to hurt his soul a little.

Large Professor did a lot of music in Eric B's name. Crazy how hard he got shorted.
 

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Thread title says 'damn near two decades with NOBODY checking for him??

Nothing about the thread title says this thread is only about what he did after this song. again i dont know how people still don't like his music and if they are new to hip hop wouldn't like this song.
It's 2015. Song you posted came out in '92. 18th Letter--last project with serious anticipation was '97. 2015-1997=damn near two decades So, again, whatchu sayin? :merchant:
 

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You're sleeping. Nas is my favorite rapper, but in the past decade, he's clearly outshined Nas twice (Alicia Keys' "Streets of NY" and Nas's "Classic"). In fact, he murdered three generations of rappers on one song ("Classic"). He also got Jay Z on "Watcher 2". The only thing that's valid in regard to "nobody checking for him" is that he hasn't really had a notable album since 18th Letter in '97 and hasn't really had a notable song since maybe "When I Be On The Mic" from '99.

Hahahahahaha. Yeah.... no.

Nas got him easy off the saddam hussein/dead sons line alone.
 
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