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55-year-old first-time voter who chose Trump protests large increase in health costs

After voting for the first time at the age of 55, for Donald Trump, Martha Brawley is worried that the main issue that brought her to the polls, health insurance coverage, is going to become worse.

Brawley, a resident of Monroe, North Carolina, said she fears the new Republican health insurance bill will significantly raise her premiums.

"I'm 55. This is the first time in my life I voted, and I voted for Trump hoping that he would change the insurance so I could get good health care," she told ABC News. "I might as well have not voted."

She first spoke to The New York Times about her concern that she would receive thousands of dollars less in assistance, as tax credits, to help her buy health care coverage under the proposed American Health Care Act (AHCA), dubbed "Trumpcare."

Brawley reportedly receives approximately $8,688 in health care subsidies per year to pay for insurance, but under the proposed bill, she would receive $3,500 a year in tax credits, according to the Times.

First-time voter who chose Trump protests health cost increase

white folks aren't long for this world

 

[David_TheMan]

I looked up the Singapore healthcare system just out of curiosity because I was unfamiliar with it, and I'm surprised you're advocating for it.
Here is a quick description of it (Yes, I know its wikipedia)

Healthcare in Singapore - Wikipedia

Citizens are taxed to pay for their own healthcare which is then stored in a healthsavings account. This is more government than Ryan's voluntary HSA plan is proposing. Also the government controlling prices is something I'm surprised you support. This seems very statist and in fact falls in line with Singapore's reputation of being much a statist society as a whole.

Quite frankly I agree that ACA was an example of crony capitalism and if given the power to create a healthcare system is not one I would choose. However, obviously I would go more towards a reliance on the state controlling healthcare cost. The bottom line is I don't think that private industry when it comes to public good are able to act in the public's best interest if more money can be made somewhere. Its an amoral, and at worst immoral,system that should be removed from things such as healthcare, education, military, etc. I don't think the invisible hand is infallible.

I would agree with getting rid of IP laws if that means getting rid of patent restrictions on drugs and research. However, again, I would think this would run counter to what you would advocate because the pro-business argument is that patents help motivate private research and discovery because it allows exclusive access to profits and rewards related to whatever discovery or innovation said company creates. As far as removing the FDA, no will never agree with that though I would be open to modifications. I'm not educated enough on the rest to give an honest critique without research first so I won't try to.

However, I think at the most basic level, we are working on totally different realities here. The idea that government is an absolute evil is something I simply don't believe and I don't think we'll ever come to agreement on that basic fact.

It really boils down to what you think is the greatest evil. Is having a society through the act of government set some expectation among its citizens to support other citizens to some degree the most evil thing in the world? You would say this is through the act of violence but at the same time unless you're living in a cabin in the woods and off the grid, I think there should be some responsibility by a citizen to participate, in this case through taxes, since they often use the same services at some point in their lives.

I'm not advocating it,
I simply said its a step in the right direction compared to single payer or ACA/obama/romney/heritige foundation care or single payer government rationed care.

healthcare isn't a public good its a private good. Like all transactions it needs free pricing to be able to adjust to what customers want, which is why centralized planning and management of it will ultimately always lead to lower quality than freer markets. Trying to ignore the laws of economics because of a want for good feelings will only make things worse.

The notion of an invisible hand being infallible makes no sense, invisible hand is just an way to embody an idea, the idea being individual choice of those in a market or society. Are people faliable? Yes. That said its the right of people to be able to control what they want to do with their life, their body, their property even if an outside body disagrees.

Now you seem to disagree with removing the FDA, I don't know why you would support it. There are estimates they due to their involvement there are more deaths caused than they prevent. Once you realize FDA really exists not to protect people, but to insulate drug companies from damage you would understand why its a joke to support it. Best bet is to get rid of it, allow companies to be sued and brought up on charges without having to meet an arbitrary threshold they set for themselves through the FDA and care would be a lot better. It literally makes no sense that people who can evaluate the risk of a drug or a new procedure agree with taking the risk, sign off on it, and the FDA can come in and say no, what you want doesn't matter because we say so.

We aren't working on different realities, just different principles on the universality of norms. I make excuses for a individual or private group of individuals to do what the state routinely does, so why would I make the exception for the actions of the state of itself composed of the same individuals, but claiming they have right given to them by god/social contract (which ignores members of said society and no one has right to cancel)/monopoly of violence ? I don't give them this leeway and I don't have to deal with the irrationality and hypocrisy of it all, thats a issue for you statist to muddle through.

I don't think the state is the greatest evil, I just recognize people are the same and you give them power they will be corrupted. The safest method for all people is to remove these concentrations of power. Now you'll have to explain to me why you would want a government that kills blacks on the street and excuses it, has allowed blacks to be tested without their consent, sterilized, mistreated, and violated, why you would want that government to be over your health decisions, why you would want them deciding if your mom, sister, brother, or grandmother/father should get more service. I don't want them deciding shyt to do with me or my family because the US government has shown they can't be trusted to do so with white people, let alone us blacks. So if you are trying to write me as being irrational for being distrustful of the state, especially the state called the US government, the onus is on you to prove to me why they are trustworthy at all.

 

[Pressure]

55-year-old first-time voter who chose Trump protests large increase in health costs

After voting for the first time at the age of 55, for Donald Trump, Martha Brawley is worried that the main issue that brought her to the polls, health insurance coverage, is going to become worse.

Brawley, a resident of Monroe, North Carolina, said she fears the new Republican health insurance bill will significantly raise her premiums.

"I'm 55. This is the first time in my life I voted, and I voted for Trump hoping that he would change the insurance so I could get good health care," she told ABC News. "I might as well have not voted."

She first spoke to The New York Times about her concern that she would receive thousands of dollars less in assistance, as tax credits, to help her buy health care coverage under the proposed American Health Care Act (AHCA), dubbed "Trumpcare."

Brawley reportedly receives approximately $8,688 in health care subsidies per year to pay for insurance, but under the proposed bill, she would receive $3,500 a year in tax credits, according to the Times.

First-time voter who chose Trump protests health cost increase

Monroe... She's racist. And now she won't have insurance!

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Bleed The Freak]

This is how stupid these fukking ppl are.

Trump supporters in the heartland fear being left behind by GOP health plan

The damn governor of your state expanded medicaid using Obamacare and you hate Obamacare but love your Medicaid..

I.cannot.care. I won't do it.

 

[Leasy]

This is how stupid these fukking ppl are.

Trump supporters in the heartland fear being left behind by GOP health plan

The damn governor of your state expanded medicaid using Obamacare and you hate Obamacare but love your Medicaid..

I.cannot.care. I won't do it.

Breh we are seeing the collapse of America

 

[DlAMONDZ]

This is how stupid these fukking ppl are.

Trump supporters in the heartland fear being left behind by GOP health plan

The damn governor of your state expanded medicaid using Obamacare and you hate Obamacare but love your Medicaid..

I.cannot.care. I won't do it.

Rethugs better not fukk this up. I want Trumpcare to pass so bad

The prospect of seeing rural ameriKKKa die off

 

[Regular_P]

This is how stupid these fukking ppl are.

Trump supporters in the heartland fear being left behind by GOP health plan

The damn governor of your state expanded medicaid using Obamacare and you hate Obamacare but love your Medicaid..

I.cannot.care. I won't do it.

Though Phelps said she would support Trump even if it passed, she is upset by the idea of Medicaid cuts.

How are you supposed to reason with half the country when they think this way? They're proud of their ignorance.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

How are you supposed to reason with half the country when they think this way? They're proud of their ignorance.

Because government handouts are this:
Section 8 in urban areas
Minority scholarship
Police reform
Obamacare

Handups for hard-working Americans are:
Farm subsidies
Ethanol subsidies
Medicaid expansion
Police grants for military equipment
And my personal favorite...the gentle and kind empathy towards the heroin outbreaks. "They can be they are people with potential....."

Change the name of the program and beneficiary.....

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Breh we are seeing the collapse of America

But you know what...now the pain is gonna hit those that always pointed fingers at "those people".....and they deserve all of it.

 

[Leasy]

But you know what...now the pain is gonna hit those that always pointed fingers at "those people".....and they deserve all of it.

We gotta tool up thought because all they know is aggression and violence... what do they do when it doesn't go there way????? They attack others so dudes better tool up and prepare

 

[Bleed The Freak]

We gotta tool up thought because all they know is aggression and violence... what do they do when it doesn't go there way????? They attack others so dudes better tool up and prepare

I'm on the belief that I'm just sitting with the face while this goes down. Just wait until these folks get the letter in the mail.

"Bbbbut you said you would get rid of Obamacare....what am I gonna do without Medicaid now....."

Me:

There's like 500k that signed up in WV, 700k that signed up in OH, MI, IN,AR, IA, LA, NJ, KY 100K in Alaska. Plus all the people who came out the woodworks. That's like 5-6 million fukking people. And it's not like they wont flood the ER if they lose coverage. They don't disappear everyone just gets stiffed on the bill again.

This will not end well. The real problem they have the hardest time modifying the ACA is for all its flaws is Obama took the most conservative approach...he used private insurance...subsidies based on income like Heritage and Romney wanted/did (Heritage was at the Romneycare signing) and put a mandate like Heritage wanted. And Medicaid is hugely popular with rural folks.

There is no way to fiscally take this away, be budget neutral, make hospitals, pharmarcies and Dr Offices happy and keep people insured. It is IMPOSSIBLE. They never expected dems to fukk up and lose all 3 elections and be in this position. They can't tell these folks in their districts they're cutting them off...it aint happening. These people might literally resort to violence if that happens....and I am totally serious.

 

[Althalucian]

This is how stupid these fukking ppl are.

Trump supporters in the heartland fear being left behind by GOP health plan

The damn governor of your state expanded medicaid using Obamacare and you hate Obamacare but love your Medicaid..

I.cannot.care. I won't do it.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Trump: Republicans 'putting themselves in a very bad position' by repealing Obamacare

This Orangutan pube colored clown is losing it

 

[Airfeezy]

Healthcare is only an issue in this country because racist cacs don't want any black or brown people getting anything for free...