THIS MISCONCEPTION STEMS FROM WEAK JOURNALISM ABOUT RESEARCH ON SUBATOMIC PHENOMENA, BROTHER! WHEN THINGS ARE THAT TINY, THE ONLY WAY TO DETERMINE THEIR PRESENCE AND MEASURE THEIR MOVEMENT IS BY HITTING THEM WITH OTHER THINGS, DUDE! SEEING AN APPLE WITH YOUR EYEBALLS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS "OBSERVING" QUANTUM STUFF, MEAN GENE!
It's bad enough the government watching us, we're supposed to believe some invisible dude in the sky is watching us and waiting for us to fukk up so he can throw us in a fiery ass pit?
its annoying as shyt when people apply quantum physics and mechanics to miscellaneous stuff
Lool why do people think about this stuff, just live your lives and be more awesome
One of the most marvelous defining traits of mankind is the burning curiosity which drives us to seek what is hidden to us. My ancestors possessed this curiosity, and your ancestors possessed this curiosity. I have simply cast myself free of bias that disallows me to seek true answers. My thirst for answers is unquenchable breh. I cannot simply believe that a book, coincidentally a book that has been proven wrong, has all the answers I need to live an awesome life.
People with closed minds will reject facts because they directly contradict what they have been taught. Crucial thought and questioning isn't encouraged within religious communities, except when it comes to methods of glorifying their 'saviours' and methods of extracting money from other religious folk in their names.
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We're also born without the ability to walk, talk, eat and drink on our own etc...,
God's idea of making things better is to kill and destroy...
If god has everything planned, why the fukk does he say we have free will?
That's like going to a theme park with your kids and saying, "You can do whatever you want, but if you don't do as I say, you're gonna get punished."
one admitted to having some doubt and i pushed him on that and asked if he thought he was truly saved yet based on his own religion and i think he had to pause and think about that for a second
Your patience is much higher than mine breh. Ultimately, debating such things with theists, just ain't productive. They can twist facts to suit their argument and will ignore and/or deny things just to shut you up. Atheists don't have the luxury of bending truths.i had a (surprisingly) decent debate with 2 pretty religious christians about this actually. they differed in their opinions and had debates with each other about it.
by decent, i mean that it wasnt just pure bible thumping and emotional..they used logic to back up their religious beliefs more than i had expected.
i said (essentially) that it was impossible to have both simultaneously
one said that there is the divine plan and that everyone has free-will to follow it or not
the other said that free will was given when humanity fell from grace and that there is limited free-will (?) in that God doesnt make decisions for them but that if they act with selflessness and "good" intentions (based on that person's religious tenets specifically, but he granted that other religions arent necessarily false or frowned upon unless other people do bad things intentionally) then they can be in step with the divine plan and in grace without really even knowing it.
i basically responded by saying...if the above is true..then wouldn't free will just be an illusion under that logic? if the divine plan is primary..then wouldnt the free will seemingly exercised already have been pre-determined? So how would there be free will in any given moment if the beginning and end/future have already been scripted out completely? the general response was that people have the choice to be in step with the plan and grace but that there have been so many beings to have existed in the past, currently exist and will exist in the future..plus everything else that has happened, is happening and will happen in general...that 99.999% of individuals do not have enough individual influence or significance to alter the divine plan one way or another and for every one person that doesnt choose to be in grace there is one person that does and everything eventually balances out.
i figured that arguing too much wouldnt really lead to anything and just wanted to get their opinions on it. i disagreed that they can both exist at the same time but found their responses to be interesting despite them side-stepping some things to better fit their stances
We're also born without the ability to walk, talk, eat and drink on our own etc...,
That doesnt mean the knowledge gained is irrelevant
WTF does this mean.