How can there be a divine plan and free will at the same time?

[Drip Bayless]

besides you casually ignoring the asymmetry between arguments online and enacting public policy that actually affects people's lives and you seemingly belong bothered more by the former than the later, can you actually show me evidence that it accomplishes nothing
because I can show stronger correlation to the opposite, but since it is your claim you support it first
but what the hell


Is this rethorical? how would I possibly have this information? given the usual acerbic dynamic of online disagreements, what would it prove if no one ever openly admitted to being converted?

Do whatever you want. I know God probably doesn't exist and that's good enough for me. I don't mind threads asking if things are possible in a religious contexts, because the answers vary from downright retardation to some well thought but flawed retorts. But if you feel this is a valid use of your time, who am I to argue with you?

 

[tmonster]

Do whatever you want.

well...I kind of already assume this as basic prerogative and it's condescending to tell me that in this context

I know God probably doesn't exist and that's good enough for me.

well I ain't the one complaining to you, I was responding to your complaint to "us"

I don't mind threads asking if things are possible in a religious contexts, because the answers vary from downright retardation to some well thought but flawed retorts.

ok

But if you feel this is a valid use of your time, who am I to argue with you?

again I find this condescending as a summation, because you completely ignored the content of my respond and basically reiterated your position which you already shared

There are lots of good reasons why people engage in discussion but no matter how trite they are always less harmful then actually enacting discriminatory laws, you want to understand why atheists waste their time challenging religious dogma, it is because they are the justifying basis and logic, law enacting Christians use to discriminate against atheists. To ignore that they do this is to assume they have the imprimatur to do so, and that is pernicious and wrong.
imagine if I wanted to pass a law that banned Christians from adopting children?

 

[Drip Bayless]

well...I kind of already assume this as basic prerogative and it's condescending to tell me that in this context

well I ain't the one complaining to you, I was responding to your complaint to "us"


ok

again I find this condescending as a summation, because you completely ignored the content of my respond and basically reiterated your position which you already shared

There are lots of good reasons why people engage in discussion but no matter how trite they are always less harmful then actually enacting discriminatory laws, you want to understand why atheists waste their time challenging religious dogma, it is because they are the justifying basis and logic, law enacting Christians use to discriminate against atheists. To ignore that they do this is to assume they have the imprimatur to do so, and that is pernicious and wrong.
imagine if I wanted to pass a law that banned Christians from adopting children?

No one is asking you why atheists challenge religious dogma, I understand it's importantance and fully support it when it has tangible effects, in the real world . I don't see why you think a messageboard is the best place to do it, which is why I said you can do what you want.

 

[tmonster]

I don't see why you think a messageboard is the best place to do it

what's not real about a message board?
there is a real person on the other end of each keyboard
with the anonymity to freely say what is on their mind
hell I think the message board is realer than life when it comes to self expression

 

[Everythingg]

learning to do these things is progressive though;

Irrelevant. The point is that just because you have to learn something, doesnt mean the info isnt pertinent. As it pertains to the Creator.

Especially when your leaders are doing everything in the media to ensure that people do not believe

Just do it right the 1st time nikka

Maybe humans should have did it right the first time

Then how come your religion is defined by one location? North America and south America, usually Christian. Middle East, Muslim. Israel, Jewish. Asia, often Buddhist.

HE chose one group of people in one location to spread the message since in the beginning, everybody rejected it. That doesnt mean its "defined by one location"

If I was a God,

You're not though

I wouldn't let other religions claim to be the real deal.

So you would cut out free will and make robots?

Can you imagine if a company tried to directly copy a competitor's product, but then tried to say that their methods and ingredients weren't the same, yet tried to pass off their copy as real, and claim all credit and and profits? That's religion. Except there is no real product.

You should be getting mad at your leaders who are misleading and not the Creator who gave them free will to choose to do as they want

But i'll wait for you to say that all other religions are man-made and the Torah is obviously the one true book.

I guess you see that theres no need to wait

 

[joeychizzle]

Irrelevant. The point is that just because you have to learn something, doesnt mean the info isnt pertinent. As it pertains to the Creator.

Especially when your leaders are doing everything in the media to ensure that people do not believe



Maybe humans should have did it right the first time



HE chose one group of people in one location to spread the message since in the beginning, everybody rejected it. That doesnt mean its "defined by one location"




You're not though


So you would cut out free will and make robots?



You should be getting mad at your leaders who are misleading and not the Creator who gave them free will to choose to do as they want



I guess you see that theres no need to wait

It's just a circle with you isn't it? A constant circle

 

[tmonster]

Irrelevant.

relevant

 

[Drip Bayless]

what's not real about a message board?
there is a real person on the other end of each keyboard
with the anonymity to freely say what is on their mind
hell I think the message board is realer than life when it comes to self expression

A messageboard is the best place to create policy change

 

[tmonster]

A messageboard is the best place to create policy change

Yeah that's it

 

[Everythingg]

It's just a circle with you isn't it? A constant circle

Thats what eternity is. A circle. I plan on getting eternal life breh

 

[joeychizzle]

Thats what eternity is. A circle. I plan on getting eternal life breh

I ain't even mad at that.

 

[Everythingg]

I ain't even mad at that.

 

[ryshy]

the divine plan is the natural progression of energy and matter in the universe

free will is how you utilize your energy and mind

a free thinking, individual god like depicted in many religions is very very unlikely. if anything there are higher entities but i dont think they follow the christian "explanation" of the higher powers

 

[joeychizzle]

the divine plan is the natural progression of energy and matter in the universe

free will is how you utilize your energy and mind

a free thinking, individual god like depicted in many religions is very very unlikely. if anything there are higher entities but i dont think they follow the christian "explanation" of the higher powers

Please attempt to describe said higher entities.

 

[tmonster]

the divine plan is the natural progression of energy and matter in the universe

How would the plan look if it was not a divine plan?