How can you securely hate on Jay-Z's come up though?

[villain]

When I seen Jigga was on the front page of the NY Post and it had nothing to do with rap or violence or ignorance I had to for a minute

they put my nikka on the front page just because the people thought he wasn't handling his business right

 

[mobbinfms]

I mean, I am not one to worship these nikkas or get into any sorts of arguments and wars over them. But how can you as a man, who grew up and watched the rise of a rapper like Jay-Z really hold some sort of grudge against him. What has he done to any of yall ? I mean Nas let the beef go and there's folks out here still riding out. Most of these State Property nikkas outside of Peedi, Beenie and Chris was never built to blow yet anytime one of em is about to slander Jay-Z people start riding. Dame Dash was an @sshole and its no surprise he has fallen but Jay-Z is some sort of mega villain.

Just because another nikka made it and you or your favourite rapper didnt it doesnt mean you have to hate. It is nothing but pure hate at this point and I never use that term. It is the only term that applies though.

I mean, the first time I heard Jigga or saw him was on the No Way Out album and when this banger dropped:


A nikka was six years old. In the ensuing years he coming up and taking over the radio with a SLEW of hits:




Then the Blueprint and Black album eventually drop. And now we have this nikka who is at the pinnacle of pop culture. You look at this dude in these old videos and tell me you saw this coming. He is at the apex and we all witnessed it. How can you honestly hate on the come up? There are rich jewish folks inheriting the wealth of their banker fathers and living off their legacies getting Ivy league educations. There are kids in Qatar driving Porsche Carerra's and Maserati's to high school cause they got lucky off that oil money. There are nikkas in Nigeria getting feti off stealing money innocent people's bank accounts.

YET WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HATE ON JAY-Z?!?!

I dont get it.

OP makes it seem like he's never heard Reasonable Doubt. Which is Jays best album.

 

[mobbinfms]

Ok, now name me your 5 favourite rappers. Name any 5 legends and ask yourself, when was the last time they dropped classics.

When was the last Mobb Deep classic? (Murda Muzik in 99)
When was the last Nas classic? AND NO...DISTANT RELATIVES, LIFE IS GOOD, GOD's SON ETC ARE NOT CLASSICS. (Stillmatic...arguably)
When was the last Outkast classic? (Aqeumini in 98?...going by reviews Stankonia in 00)
When was the last Scarface classic? (The Fix in 02...I might say the Diary)
Are nikkas really supposed to drop classics every single album?
When was the last Eminem classic? (MMLP in 00)
When was the last classic from ANY Wu Tang release? (Supreme Clientele in 00)
Last Redman classic...Common classic...A Tribe Called Quest classic...Ice Cube Classic....The Roots classic.

How many Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Kool G Rap, LL and KRS One records do you still bump normally?

etc etc etc etc etc
Kanye is the only nikka really dropping consistent bonafide gems like that at this point. So what's your point? They are classics for a reason. The rarity is the point!!!

This is a great post. Classics are much rarer than most on this forum care to admit. I think with Jay you can say the last album that really delivered was AG.

 

[mobbinfms]

I hear you but it's subjective. Truth be told...I cant tell whether or not MCHG is bad because pretty much every major label rap album (so no mixtapes or independent albums) in the last two years hasnt been shyt to me. I havent been able to bump an album for long since Saigon's The Greatest Story and Kanye's MBDTF. LongLIveAsap got the most burn amongst all the albums this year I guess but even GKMC...i dont dig it like that. Even when I do like an album, it seems that one or two weeks later I have no interest in listening to it (Life is Good is an example of this). Thus, when I heard this new Jay album I cant tell whether its just trash or I'm bored with rap. I think MCHG was an actually pretty good, balanced album though and I'd be lying if I said i wasnt bumping Blueprint 3 (along with V5, Before I Self Destruct and Man on the Moon ) hard during my freshman year of university. So maybe I'm a stan because I dont see how the albums sucked. I think OB4CL2 came out that year and it got no play after a week.

shyt Watch the Throne is a 9/10 album to me, and I think we can all agree American Gangster was pretty damn good. So whats the issue?

Every Jay album (with the exception of this last one) has some redeeming qualities. WTT had The Joy and Otis, BP3 had Empire State of Mind, Thank You (and probably some other records I'm forgetting). But on the whole, those two albums were disappointing. The last one was just an awful piece of shyt. AG was a dope record to me.

 

[aRoMaN21]

OP makes it seem like he's never heard Reasonable Doubt. Which is Jays best album.

and dukktales

but everyone believes he lived that life he rapped about on that album and others

 

[mobbinfms]

You feel me?! This whole post is what I'm talking about. Very eloquently put.

Yall telling me when this shyt dropped yall was like,




How come all Birdman and Mannie talk about is cars and clothes? Every single cash money millionaires record was shallow and materialistic as fukk. But I'll be damned if my young broke ass didnt love that shyt. Add Bad Boy, No Limit etc etc to the list;

Early Cash Money was awful.

 

[mobbinfms]

I was in to rap heavily at 10 as well fam you're forgetting that I came up in the RapHustle and Napster era where shyt could be found freely. Rappers would have their little BET Top 25 countdowns and here I was listening to Marly Marl's The Symphony or Rakim's Don't Sweat the Technique even. shyt made it real easy. Add older siblings to the equation and there you have it.

Now I discovered Reasonable Doubt when I was 14 so I hear what you're saying cause that shyt made its way into my top 10. There was a point in high school where I was telling folks "Jay-Z this, Jay-Z that...he's the best rapper." I'm talking nikkas are in the cafeteria arguing with ppl my own age about why Lil Wayne (while legendary) is shyt compared to Jay-Z . Nobody was hearing me though. Years later I got folks coming to me mentioning some of Jay-Z's recent, suspect work admitting he's dope. These guys are listening to Blueprint 3 Hov acting like hes INCREDIBLE while i was trying to put them on Reasonable Doubt and Black Album hov. While I inside I cant help but be respect that they at least caught on at some point. The masses at this point for some reason are still fukking with Hov whether we feels he's that nice or not and that says something. The millennial generation is rocking with the tracks of a 40 year old rapper. Can you believe it? If you cant respect the quality of music, at the very least you kinda gotta respect the longevity and the prowess. I dont fukk with Mackelmore at all but I'd be a hater if I didnt respect his grind even. Will he be in my mp3 player or phone? Hell no. But you have to respect the grind. Making hits aint that easy, dont matter who the hell your producer is, who is singing your hook or nothing. Ask Jadakiss, the Clipse and them. Ask FIFTY CENT. He's out here struggling while Jay-Z still strongarming

PS: Volume 2 (Classic),3 and Dynasty > Volume 1. It'ls all subjective famo

Vol 1 has Jays very best post RD tracks. It also has a lot of trash. Vol 2 and 3 were meh. Dynasty was better than Vol 2 and 3. It is all subjective though.

 

[mobbinfms]

i salute hov but i feel and relate to 50's story (or comeup) more. fif way more raw and had to overcome alot more (in the street and industry) and went farther than any of these moguls in the shortest amount of time all while not sucking dikk.real street boss to real rap boss.(not that losing 92 bricks but no current or oldschool G's can vouch for you bullshyt.) fif was a boss in the hood and this has been confirmed.some of yall will disagree and i understand.for a while now its been trendy to hate on 50 so people tend to downplay his G but anybody who lived through any type of real adversity can admire and learn from his comeup .hov is beloved in rap and rightfully so, but it causes people to overlook alot of holes in his story and fukkboi passive agressive shyt he be on.


respect to hov but fif got the craziest rags to riches story in modern commercial rap my nikka

Yeah but 50 ain't half the rapper Hov is. Not 1/10 RD Hov.

 

[mobbinfms]

Real nikka shyt. I said the same thing earlier. Heads can say Jay-Z is washed up but the fact of the matter is that he has served two generations of fans at a high level. Gen X, and now the millenials. You cant tell me this nikka aint the top dog because if he truly fell off he woulda been cast away the same way the folks you mentioned have been. Its that simple. Bun B is surprisingly the only dude with the samee level of longevity...and perhaps Lil Wayne

Seems to me that he's losing credibility and falling off now, but I could be wrong.

 

[Danie84]

...cuz he took the GOAT line and made it a hot song, and I'll never forgive him for throwing back in Esco's face when he thought he was untouchable

 

[mobbinfms]

and dukktales

but everyone believes he lived that life he rapped about on that album and others

I operate under the assumption that most hip hop is duck tales.

 

[aRoMaN21]

I operate under the assumption that most hip hop is duck tales.

not eazy e

but then again hes not hip hop, hes straight "gangster rap"

i bet he woulda shyt on jay and made him regret them dukktales on that song regret off RD

 

[mobbinfms]

not eazy e

but then again hes not hip hop, hes straight "gangster rap"

i bet he woulda shyt on jay and made him regret them dukktales on that song regret off RD

I guess you're not saying that Eazy never said anything on a record that wasn't u true or an exaggeration, but just that he had the credentials to spit duck tales about that life?

 

[aRoMaN21]

I guess you're not saying that Eazy never said anything on a record that wasn't u true or an exaggeration, but just that he had the credentials to spit duck tales about that life?

all im saying is im responding to the thread title and about man who says he was a big time dealer in real life when he wasnt

 

[Max Goonberg]

Yeah but 50 ain't half the rapper Hov is. Not 1/10 RD Hov.

we talking rap skills or come ups?

no denying hov is a better rapper than fif
i agree

but there are things fif can do that hov cant.
more feeling personality and humor to his rhymes.he's a better story teller and better at making that grimey music to clean your gun to.


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