How come Steph Curry gets a pass on ball hogging
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Maybe I don't know the difference between spacing and drawing defenders. I thought they were the same. Apparently Spo does too, when you consider what he said about NY's vertical spacing with Tyson. I said they both are shooting poorly from mid-range but that you don't need a mid-range game to keep defenses honest. What exactly is your beef on that point? Explain, in detail why the stats you're using are better stats in determining passing ability. David, definitely rigged the Boston series 2 seasons ago and the Spurs series and I provided evidence of it. There's a lot of cheating that goes on in the NBA, and why not; no one else in business is honest, so I don't expect a multi-billion dollar industry to be.
Maybe I don't know the difference between spacing and drawing defenders. I thought they were the same. Apparently Spo does too, when you consider what he said about NY's vertical spacing with Tyson. I said they both are shooting poorly from mid-range but that you don't need a mid-range game to keep defenses honest. What exactly is your beef on that point? Explain, in detail why the stats you're using are better stats in determining passing ability. David, definitely rigged the Boston series 2 seasons ago and the Spurs series and I provided evidence of it. There's a lot of cheating that goes on in the NBA, and why not; no one else in business is honest, so I don't expect a multi-billion dollar industry to be.
This is floor spacing. Notice how there are four shooters and only a center on the floor. notice that if a pick and roll is called, the paint will be wide open due to have 4 shooters on the floor spreading out the defense. This leaves the paint wide open for Chandler to roll in for a dunk, or Felton to drive. You could also call a post up play, but Tyson doesn't really have a post game like David Lee
Here is how that play ended. See floor spacing. Is Chandler creating this space? the correct answer is no he isn't.
Now put David Lee in this same situation. Is David Lee creating this space? no he isn't
This is called drawing a defender. Notice how there were defenders in the paint that could've contested but instead someone foolishly decided to help one pass away. The Clippers had a similar problem with Deandre and Blake Griffin before he developed a mid range game. If Paul would drive, defenders could help of either of those two and defend CP3's shot.
Stern Rigged LeBron 45-15 and 5...
And Stern rigged Leonard missing a free throw, Duncan missing a bunny, and Ray Allen making that 3 pointer. What he do, put a magnet in the ball? I hope you believe that the Lakers Kings series was rigged too if you're believing this bullshyt.
I'm sorry Stern or Silver won't rig it so your precious melo can't win a ring
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I've not been a big fan of their previous stuff but they're pretty nice.
Anyway Steph gets a pass because he has a clown for a coach and Harrison Barnes is terrible.
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This is floor spacing. Notice how there are four shooters and only a center on the floor. notice that if a pick and roll is called, the paint will be wide open due to have 4 shooters on the floor spreading out the defense. This leaves the paint wide open for Chandler to roll in for a dunk, or Felton to drive. You could also call a post up play, but Tyson doesn't really have a post game like David Lee
Here is how that play ended. See floor spacing. Is Chandler creating this space? the correct answer is no he isn't.
Now put David Lee in this same situation. Is David Lee creating this space? no he isn't
This is called drawing a defender. Notice how there were defenders in the paint that could've contested but instead someone foolishly decided to help one pass away. The Clippers had a similar problem with Deandre and Blake Griffin before he developed a mid range game. If Paul would drive, defenders could help of either of those two and defend CP3's shot.
Stern Rigged LeBron 45-15 and 5...
And Stern rigged Leonard missing a free throw, Duncan missing a bunny, and Ray Allen making that 3 pointer. What he do, put a magnet in the ball? I hope you believe that the Lakers Kings series was rigged too if you're believing this bullshyt.
I'm sorry Stern or Silver won't rig it so your precious melo can't win a ring
I stand corrected on spacing. Thank you for explaining it to me. I misspoke. I was meaning to communicate that David Lee is considered a threat for his scoring abilities and that defenses don't just ignore him. Defenses concern themselves with the big 3 on the Warriors; not just Steph. Of course Stern had Doc put Paul Pierce on Lj and Doc even said Pierce was barely guarding him. He said, “he sees us but doesn't feel us ”. That's why Lj couldn't replicate his performance the next game. Obviously, Pierce guarding him, or anyone, for that matter, is bad enough, even in his prime, but especially at the age he was, and it's even worse when that mismatch wasn't doing anything. This is was set up to make him look like the hero that saved the series. It was so pathetic.
He put up 15 rbs against the worst rebounding team that season. A 6'8'' guy can put up 15 rbs against a team that was dead last in rebounding. You don't really wanna know what he did to rig the those series, so I'll tell you. In 2012, the refs called excessive bogus fouls in game 1 vs NY, game 1 vs Indy, game 1 vs Boston (mostly just excessive tech fouls in this one), game 2 vs Boston, and games 3 and 4 vs OKC. That means excessive bogus fouls were being called against EVERY team Miami played in the playoffs all the way to the finals. Last season, Pop blatantly threw that Finals series by taking Tony and Duncan out of games 6 (and I think game 7 too) and giving Lj wide open shots at the end of game 6 to get him into a rhythm and giving him more wide open shots in game 7, so much so, that Breen was noticeably confused and said “oh, they're just going to give him that shot”, when they weren't giving him anything all series long prior to that. VanGundy kept referring to the shots as “practice shots”. He also threw it by putting Kawhi back on Lj, having him sag off of him (Kawhi wasn't doing that earlier in the series, which is why Lj was shooting so poorly) and barely playing Diaw in game 7, most of which he wasn't even guarding Lj.Someone on this board (I can't remember who) observed this too and said “the same game 7 where Popovich waved his players back to leave wade and Lebron open even after they hit like 10 wide open jumpers in a row? He DEMANDED his team back off them and give them the wide open look... (you can visibly see him vehemently waving players back). Pop threw the series... ”. This, again, was done to make Lj look like the hero that saved the series. Wade was robbed of the Finals MVP because Lj only played well in games 4 and 7 but Wade played well in like 5 games. I think you'd want me to use advanced stats for what I'm about to say because it would help Lj but since you don't like them, Lj averaged 25ppg on 44.7% from the field, which is poor for any type of shot and horrible for a dunker/layup guy. Wade averaged 19.6ppg on 47.6% from the field. Back to taking players out of games. In March of 2012, Woodson took STAT out of the game when he was the only one keeping the lead when NY was blowing Miami out for a 3rd straight time. In 2013, Vogel took Roy out at the end of game 1 of the ECF, so that he couldn't block Lj's “game-winning” layup.
And yes, at the least, game 6 (I think that was the one) was rigged in that Lakers vs. Kings series. I didn't see all of Jordan's ch'ip runs but Bulls fans say he didn't earn all of his rings. They say he earned some but not all. I don't put a lot of stock in rings or awards (like MVP's) because the league can control that, and so can going to stacked teams and teaming up with certain players. Either, you're a good player or you're not and Lj is not but he's a good athlete. I'm not a 'Melo fan. 
I only have 1 favorite player and he's never even averaged 20ppg.
I'm not even from NY. I'm from LA and Kobe already has 5 rings and our franchise has the 2nd most ch'ips in NBA history. Not a Kobe fan either, tho, but he is an incredible player. 'Melo ain't on his level. I'm a basketball fan. I don't put any players or teams above the game itself. Shaq was a Laker and he was worse than Lj at ball. What he shoot from the line, like 0% 
? Not impressed with D12 either. I've just never been the one to be impressed with players that need their size and athleticism to get buckets. Kobe is the best in the game, 'Melo is a very distant second, and Durant is third. Their skill-sets are unparalleled but none of these guys are on Jordan's level.
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I stand corrected on spacing. Thank you for explaining it to me. I misspoke. I was meaning to communicate that David Lee is considered a threat for his scoring abilities and that defenses don't just ignore him. Defenses concern themselves with the big 3 on the Warriors; not just Steph. Of course Stern had Doc put Paul Pierce on Lj and Doc even said Pierce was barely guarding him. He said, “he sees us but doesn't feel us ”. That's why Lj couldn't replicate his performance the next game. Obviously, Pierce guarding him, or anyone, for that matter, is bad enough, even in his prime, but especially at the age he was, and it's even worse when that mismatch wasn't doing anything. This is was set up to make him look like the hero that saved the series. It was so pathetic.
Someone on this board (I can't remember who) observed this too and said “the same game 7 where Popovich waved his players back to leave wade and Lebron open even after they hit like 10 wide open jumpers in a row? He DEMANDED his team back off them and give them the wide open look... (you can visibly see him vehemently waving players back). Pop threw the series... ”. This, again, was done to make Lj look like the hero that saved the series. Wade was robbed of the Finals MVP because Lj only played well in games 4 and 7 but Wade played well in like 5 games. I think you'd want me to use advanced stats for what I'm about to say because it would help Lj but since you don't like them, Lj averaged 25ppg on 44.7% from the field, which is poor for any type of shot and horrible for a dunker/layup guy. Wade averaged 19.6ppg on 47.6% from the field. Back to taking players out of games. In March of 2012, Woodson took STAT out of the game when he was the only one keeping the lead when NY was blowing Miami out for a 3rd straight time. In 2013, Vogel took Roy out at the end of game 1 of the ECF, so that he couldn't block Lj's “game-winning” layup.
Defense's would rather have David Lee score than Steph Curry or Klay, Hence double teaming off Lee, leaving him wide open
This whole post reeks of contradictions. You don't put a lot of stock in rings, but you're gloating about the Lakers having 16.
You hate players that use athleticism. I guess you didn't watch younger Kobe. I guess you're dismissing a lot of great players that used their athleticism to be great before the later parts of their career (Jordan?). You're really underestimating how athletic Jordan and Kobe were. Give all the player's Kyle Korver's athleticism and tell me how great they would've been. Jerry West should be your GOAT using this logic.
You claim Kobe is the best in the game, compare his stats to LeBron, Melo, and Durant's for the past 4 years and say that again. Give me his stat line this year, I'll wait.
And Melo better than Durant or LeBron? ok...
And now the NBA is rigging games? How do you rig all of the things that had to happen in game 6 of last years final to happen?
You get mad when Pop leaves LeBron open for wide open jumpers but you keep spitting the stat at me that he is one of the worst mid range shooters in the league.
Just stop this is horrible to watch. Funny, but horrible to watch
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I never argued that defenses think Lee is the biggest threat. My argument is that they do consider him a threat and they don't ignore him. 'Melo is the biggest threat in NY but defenses don't ignore Swish, or even STAT, for that matter.
I wasn't gloating about the rings. I was responding to your hasty assumption that I wanted 'Melo to get rings. If I needed anyone to have one (which, I don't), it would be the franchise of my hometown and one of the best players to play there; namely, Kobe. that I forgot to mention Magic. And, I never said I hated anyone. I said I'm not impressed with b-ball players who need their athleticism and size to be good at b-ball. I watched a lot of Kobe and he could always shoot. You sayin' Jordan couldn't always shoot?
I never watched Jerry. Stats are useful but they aren't everything. Kobe is the best shooter and was a good defender in his prime and is still a serviceable one. The object of the game is to get buckets and Kobe does this like no one else currently playing. Kobe can score from anywhere on the court and doesn't need to be big or fast to do it. His game is fully developed. Post-up, mid-range, 3pt, right/left shoulder fadeaways etc. He can hit the toughest shots with consistency. He's a killer. You rig game 6 by giving Lj wide open shots in the middle (I think it was) of the 4th, take Tony out the game, because he was even killin' it late, hitting big shots. You take Duncan out the game, so Bosh can get the rebound and let the GOAT 3pt shooter just walk behind the line and shoot. I already went through most of this. And, I ain't mad about Pop throwing series. I'm just pointing out what happened. 
Lj is one of the worst shooters but even John Wall, who is even more , can knock them down if you leave him open. This ain't H.O.R.S.E. where you just stand around and let people shoot. If Pop didn't know this, he wouldn't have had Diaw and Kawhi contesting Lj in games 1-6 but they stopped in the 4th of game 6. It's funny how players always get taken out of games or teams change their strategy that was working whenever Miami's in town. And, you turned a Steph thread into a Lj thread 
and you say I'm horrible. Real talk, your caping is something to watch. 
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I never argued that defenses think Lee is the biggest threat. My argument is that they do consider him a threat and they don't ignore him. 'Melo is the biggest threat in NY but defenses don't ignore Swish, or even STAT, for that matter.
Do you just watch Basketball or just skim through it? Jordan and Kobe were both athletic slashers coming into the league with decent mid range jumpers. Jordan developed his post game and mid range jumper as he began to lose his athleticism just like Kobe did. Jordan never was an elite 3 point shooter, nor is/was Kobe.
If you double team one person off a pick and roll, you leave somebody open, because you think the person that you need to double is more dangerous than the wide open person, how you don't get that simple concept I'll never understand. But then again you didn't even know what floor spacing is.
I guess you didn't watch the finals because Pop took out Tim to match up with the quick shooting 3 point line up of the heat. How do you rig people to make shots and miss shot please explain that? Do you put a magnet in the ball? How do you rig who you admit is a bad 3 point three point shooter in LeBron to make a shot because Danny Green left him open because he wanted to ball watch instead of defender the rebound.
You've said it your self you have to respect LeBron's speed and ability to get to the basket so Pop played him the same way he played them the entire series, sag off and give him the mid range.
Dirk can do everything that you just stated Kobe can do, and more efficiently, and without athleticism, why isn't he the best in the league in your opinion?
But you've already admitted to knowing little to nothing about basketball (you don't even know what the drive and kick game is?), just blind caping and probably watch highlight clips on Youtube. I'm just gonna ignore you now because you're just a horrible poster.
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I love b-ball, so of course I watch it. I know they were athletic and Jordan's reverse, which he used a lot, was incredible. However, they had a reliable mid-range game and jumper. Lj does not and that's pathetic, as a b-ball player. Same with Shaq. Lj admitted the unreliability of his jumper when he was blaming the sleeved jerseys for his shooting woes in the Spurs game this season, saying,“I already don’t have much room for error on my jumpers”. Lj and Shaq are so poor at shooting that Shaq was 52.7% at the line
and Lj is a pathetic 74.7%. You're not a good b-ball player if you can't shoot. You may be a good athlete, tho, which Lj and Shaq are (obviously, Shaq is retired). Jordan didn't attempt many 3ptrs, because as Kerr points out ad nauseum, the 3 wasn't utilized back then, like it is now. Kobe is just poor at it over all. I misspoke in saying that about him. How do you not get that I never said people thought Lee was the biggest threat on the team? I said they consider him a threat and people don't just ignore him, like Bay Area tried to argue. I even used the example that Swish isn't the biggest threat in NY but teams don't just ignore him. I guess you're just making things up because Tim was out of that game with Bosh in. Bosh got the rebound while Tim was sitting on the bench. What's more, Tony was also taken out when he was drillin' 3's late and has been good from 3 for the past 2 years and 3 out of the last 4 years. You rig people making shots by leaving them open and intentionally going away from what was causing them to miss.Again, Lj was trash for 5 or the 7 games because of the way he was defended. In the same way, he eventually started making shots because of the way he was defended (leaving him open and instructing his defenders to sag off to give him room to operate). I never said Lj is bad at H.O.R.S.E. He and Wall both can knock down jumpers if you leave them open. Lj was left open at the behest of Pop, who was either paid to suddenly forget how to coach, or threatened with termination. Get the rebound from who, Bosh, who is 4 inches taller than he is? That's why Tim is on the team and he was sitting on the bench watching Bosh get the rebound for a reason.
Neither Kawhi, nor Diaw was sagging off of Lj or giving him wide open shots until the finals seconds of game 6, which is why Lj was shooting so poorly up to that point. The 2 of them shut him all the way down and the few times he got by them, the rest of the team clogged the paint. That team wasn't giving him anything. I need to give the Dirk thing more thought.
I never said I know “little to nothing about basketball”. Considering your willingness to tell that lie, just because I got one thing wrong, it's obvious that you wish that was the case. 
Drive and kick is when people run toward the basket, pretending that they're going to finish, so they can get the defense to collapse, so they can pass the rock to an open shooter. What does that have to do with any of this? If I'm a horrible poster and you went out of your way to engage me in debate and for like 2 days, then what does that make you? 
Caping? For who, Kobe? He's not even one of my favorite players and I hate his personality. If anyone is it's you. I believe it was you who derailed a Steph thread to defend Lj, or nah?! 
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I love b-ball, so of course I watch it. I know they were athletic and Jordan's reverse, which he used a lot, was incredible. However, they had a reliable mid-range game and jumper. Lj does not and that's pathetic, as a b-ball player. Same with Shaq. Lj admitted the unreliability of his jumper when he was blaming the sleeved jerseys for his shooting woes in the Spurs game this season, saying,“I already don’t have much room for error on my jumpers”. Lj and Shaq are so poor at shooting that Shaq was 52.7% at the line
Again, Lj was trash for 5 or the 7 games because of the way he was defended. In the same way, he eventually started making shots because of the way he was defended (leaving him open and instructing his defenders to sag off to give him room to operate). I never said Lj is bad at H.O.R.S.E. He and Wall both can knock down jumpers if you leave them open. Lj was left open at the behest of Pop, who was either paid to suddenly forget how to coach, or threatened with termination. Get the rebound from who, Bosh, who is 4 inches taller than he is? That's why Tim is on the team and he was sitting on the bench watching Bosh get the rebound for a reason.
Neither Kawhi, nor Diaw was sagging off of Lj or giving him wide open shots until the finals seconds of game 6, which is why Lj was shooting so poorly up to that point. The 2 of them shut him all the way down and the few times he got by them, the rest of the team clogged the paint. That team wasn't giving him anything. I need to give the Dirk thing more thought.
By your logic most centers that ever played the game are garbage because they can only score in the post because real b-ball players can shoot
You said you never watched Jordan get all 6 of his rings how do you know?
As for the rest of your garbage
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By your logic most centers that ever played the game are garbage because they can only score in the post because real b-ball players can shoot
You said you never watched Jordan get all 6 of his rings how do you know?
As for the rest of your garbage
Yes, most centers are garbage players and lazy. Dirk being able to shoot so well shows that they are just lazy and don't wanna work on it because their size and athleticism makes defense and scoring much easier, so they will still have a job. As far as Jordan, how do I know what? I didn't watch all of his Playoffs series but I watched him. 1st you said you were going to ignore me but then you claim you read some of my reply
and you even responded . So, your claim that you didn't read the rest, (especially after you interpreted what you claim never to have read as “hate”) is almost as suspect as your boy's jumper. Hilarious gif, tho. status, even.
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Yes, most centers are garbage players and lazy. Dirk being able to shoot so well shows that they are just lazy and don't wanna work on it because their size and athleticism makes defense and scoring much easier, so they will still have a job. As far as Jordan, how do I know what? I didn't watch all of his Finals series but I watched him. 1st you said you were going to ignore me but then you claim you read some of my reply
Lol Hakeem and Kareem garbage and lazy
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Lol Hakeem and Kareem garbage and lazy
I didn't watch those 2 but that's the same reaction I get when I say Shaq was trash.
I didn't watch those 2 but that's the same reaction I get when I say Shaq was trash.
Yea you just exposed yourself. It's all clear you just started watching basketball
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Yea you just exposed yourself. It's all clear you just started watching basketball
I wasn't even allowed to drink when Hakeem retired, nor did I have any interest in his team, so of course, I can't break down his skill-set. I don't watch Dirk because I have no interest in his team but I do know he has a great skill-set for anyone, let alone a 7-footer.
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