How come Steph Curry gets a pass on ball hogging

[Tha Gawd Amen]

You're rep, dap ratio, and use of advanced statistics to fit your agenda means you're either trolling, or just a horrible poster

 

[Victim of Racism]

You're rep, dap ratio, and use of advanced statistics to fit your agenda means you're either trolling, or just a horrible poster

Some of you really believe that the people on one board disagreeing with you (who have yet to prove you wrong, btw) is indicative of your motives or debating ability. at how much stock some of you put in daps and reps on a message board. at the convenient ignoring of the probability that lack of daps and rep have come from subjective stannery, having lost a debate, having had a previous debate that got chippy, or some other biased reason. Claiming that advanced stats are without merit isn't proof ; it's just ridiculous.

P.S: at “agenda”.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

Some of you really believe that the people on one board disagreeing with you (who have yet to prove you wrong, btw) is indicative of your motives or debating ability. at how much stock some of you put in daps and reps on a message board. at the convenient ignoring of the probability that lack of daps and rep have come from subjective stannery, having lost a debate, having had a previous debate that got chippy, or some other biased reason. Claiming that advanced stats are without merit isn't proof ; it's just ridiculous.

P.S: at “agenda”.

It's one thing to disagree, but you are claiming that David Lee is a decent mid range jump shooter using TS% and in the same breath you are saying LeBron isn't by using his normal FG% for his entire career. LeBron is shooting 40% from 10-16 ft and 38% from 16ft<3pt line While David Lee is shooting 40% from 10-16 ft and 36% from 16<3pt line this season. His TS% is also higher if you want to go there too.

You say LeBron isn't as good as a basketball player because he doesn't shoot while being double teamed. What coach in the NBA has ever said, "when you're double teamed force up a shot?"

You've claimed Raymond Felton is a better playmaker than LeBron and probably Steph Curry. LeBron and Steph both have higher Assist% rates than Raymond Felton (32% and 39% respectively compared to 28% from Raymond). LeBron also has a lower Turnover rate per 100 possessions and his career high isn't as high as Raymond Felton's career low. He also has a considerably high usage rate.

Analysts? Yea, they're anal alright. There's no such thing as analysts anymore. That went out with the 80's. There's only brain-washers now, who do so to keep their jobs or move up the latter. Same with the news, TV shows, movies, and every other form of media. Do you have any idea how much money has gone into making the world believe Lj is the “best player in the world” and that “his passing skills” (which, are fair at best) got him 2 ch'ips and the fact that he's in South Beach with Wade, Bosh, and as someone said on here before, “one of the best groups of 3pt shooters ever assembled” had absolutely nothing to do with it? I would add that it's also because he was handed both rings by Stern on a silver, very rigged, platter.

You must really hate LeBron to say this and twist stats and to say some dumb shyt like this. Did he deny you at the club or something

 

[Bay Area]

and lay down your cape. So, a starter who averages 18.5ppg (you keep leaving his ppg out) on 52.3% from the field and 56.7% True Shooting and gets paid over 13M is given less respect by defenders than a bench guy who averages 5ppg for his career and 3.5 this season? Is that what you want me to believe ? That the story that you're sticking to? Conveniently leaving out his ppg on that FG%. Frontin' like we're talkin' bout Tyson Chandler here. I see you. Twisting my words again for an advantage in debate by saying I compared the way they guard Lj and Lee. I see you , but I'll indulge you. You claimed that because Lee's jump-shooting is poor right now, that he doesn't space the floor, which means that they ignore him. I pointed out that, “Lee doesn't have to hit mid-range jumpers to space the floor. To space the floor just means that you have to be good enough at scoring that you keep the defense honest, in that they don't leave you to double, or for any other reason. Lj is one of the worst mid-range jump-shooters in the league (33%) but defenses aren't just going to ignore him because he'll beat you with his size and speed for dunks and layups. This is what Spo means when he always says “NY's vertical spacing is so good” because Tyson is so good at setting screens for his own dunks if you try to stay with shooters. Lee spaces the floor. Defenses aren't just gonna leave a guy who averages 18.5ppg on 52.3% from the field and 56.7% True Shooting, no matter how he gets those points. They don't care if it's mid-range jump-shooting or if it's as you said,“he will dribble in and try to back his man down or face up and drive”. It's very ironic and even more telling that you would say, “he shoots a high percentage because he plays in the POST and is elite at finishing around the rim. You keep avoiding highlight footage but that would tell you all you need to know in a matter of seconds” to disprove my point about Lj. Lj has no post game and certainly not a mid-range jumper but he's big, strong, fast, and elite finishing around the rim. No one respects Wall's jumper but they do respect his speed and ability to finish around the rim. They do respect his 19.9 ppg on 52.7% TS.

With the missed calls, don't miss this, you're the only one saying they're ok. Everyone else is just saying that they did occur. Moreover, FT's that may or may not be made (like when Durant was blatantly hit on the arm at the end of game 1 of the Finals in 2012) isn't the same as a goal-tend. Would he be averaging almost 24 points if he wasn't taking 17 shots? No. It's like saying Lj should take 33 shots per game because he'll score 61 points and have 5 assists. With those guys on his team, there's no reason he can't be like Rondo when he had the big 3. What's wrong with a PG leading the league in assists? No one argued “the reason the Warriors struggled”. The argument is that Curry is gettin' a pass that others don't and that he does inexplicably chuck (and, badly) at times.

Cant believe I argued with a troll for 2 days. fukk outta here.

 

[Victim of Racism]

It's one thing to disagree, but you are claiming that David Lee is a decent mid range jump shooter using TS% and in the same breath you are saying LeBron isn't by using his normal FG% for his entire career. LeBron is shooting 40% from 10-16 ft and 38% from 16ft<3pt line While David Lee is shooting 40% from 10-16 ft and 36% from 16<3pt line this season. His TS% is also higher if you want to go there too.

You say LeBron isn't as good as a basketball player because he doesn't shoot while being double teamed. What coach in the NBA has ever said, "when you're double teamed force up a shot?"

You've claimed Raymond Felton is a better playmaker than LeBron and probably Steph Curry. LeBron and Steph both have higher Assist% rates than Raymond Felton (32% and 39% respectively compared to 28% from Raymond). LeBron also has a lower Turnover rate per 100 possessions and his career high isn't as high as Raymond Felton's career low. He also has a considerably high usage rate.



You must really hate LeBron to say this and twist stats and to say some dumb shyt like this. Did he deny you at the club or something

I never claimed Lee was a good mid-range jump-shooter. What's with the lies? I argued that his jump-shooting abilities are irrelevant. I will quote it for the zillionth time. “Lee doesn't have to hit mid-range jumpers to space the floor. To space the floor just means that you have to be good enough at scoring that you keep the defense honest, in that they don't leave you to double, or for any other reason. Lj is one of the worst mid-range jump-shooters in the league (33%)) but defenses aren't just going to ignore him because he'll beat you with his size and speed for dunks and layups. This is what Spo means when he always says “NY's vertical spacing is so good” because Tyson is so good at setting screens for his own dunks if you try to stay with shooters. Lee spaces the floor. Defenses aren't just gonna leave a guy who averages 18.5ppg on 52.3% from the field and 56.7% True Shooting, no matter how he gets those points. They don't care if it's mid-range jump-shooting or if it's as you said,“he will dribble in and try to back his man down or face up and drive”. No one respects Wall's jumper but they do respect his speed and ability to finish around the rim. They do respect his 19.9 ppg on 52.7% TS. I wasn't using Lj's career mid-range jumper stats. Those are his stats this season. You're using basketball-reference and I'm using the official NBA site and according to them, he's shooting 32.9% from 15-19 feet. I've also looked that this chart. I don't even know what his career stats are but I hear they ain't good. You just proved my whole point, which again is, despite Lj's poor mid-range game, defenses are not ignoring him, just like they're not ignoring Lee because you don't have to have a mid-range game to be payed attention to. An efficient 18.5ppg will suffice. You're trying to argue that Lj doesn't take tough shots and it's a lie. What was that shot he took to end the 1st quarter against Houston a few weeks ago? If it had anything to do with tough shots being against and NBA coach's wishes, he wouldn't attempt turn-around fade-aways and shots on 1 foot as much as he does. 3's are the least efficient shots (which is why they're worth more) but he takes them (and doesn't shoot them well). He doesn't attempt difficult shots as much as elite shooters because he can't make them with any kind of consistency. He isn't a good player because he requires the dunk, layup, mismatch, or wide open shot. After looking at a better stat (assist-to-bad-pass ratio), Felton is better than Steph (like I said, initially) and equal with Lj. They are all not elite passers, and are all fair, at best. (like I said, initially). Lj's assist-to-bad-pass ratio is 4. Steph's is 3.3, Raymond's is 4. CP3's is 7.7 (that's elite -- I said CP3 was the elite one). and lay down your cape. I don't hate Lj. I'm not impressed with him, Shaq, and anyone else who has to rely on their size and athleticism for their game. They are good athletes; not good b-ball players. I like Lj's personality (seems to be a sweetheart) and commericials (I think he has acting potential ), tho. You have turned this thread into an Lj thread. .

 

[Victim of Racism]

Cant believe I argued with a troll for 2 days. fukk outta here.

You have no idea what a troll is. Quote me doing any of the following: Clowning players, being unkind to them, posting in dap threads about them losing etc. That said, it's obvious you're copping out again.

 

[drifter]

You just got here two weeks ago, how are you -130 in the red already

@ZemaPromos

 

[Victim of Racism]

You just got here two weeks ago, how are you -130 in the red already

@ZemaPromos

I post a lot. I've posted half the amount of times you have and you been here like 3 and a half months longer than me.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

I never claimed Lee was a good mid-range jump-shooter. What's with the lies? I argued that his jump-shooting abilities are irrelevant. I will quote it for the zillionth time. “Lee doesn't have to hit mid-range jumpers to space the floor. To space the floor just means that you have to be good enough at scoring that you keep the defense honest, in that they don't leave you to double, or for any other reason. Lj is one of the worst mid-range jump-shooters in the league (33%)) but defenses aren't just going to ignore him because he'll beat you with his size and speed for dunks and layups. This is what Spo means when he always says “NY's vertical spacing is so good” because Tyson is so good at setting screens for his own dunks if you try to stay with shooters. Lee spaces the floor. Defenses aren't just gonna leave a guy who averages 18.5ppg on 52.3% from the field and 56.7% True Shooting, no matter how he gets those points. They don't care if it's mid-range jump-shooting or if it's as you said,“he will dribble in and try to back his man down or face up and drive”. No one Lj's assist-to-bad-pass ratio is 4. Steph's is 3.3, Raymond's is 4. CP3's is 7.7 (that's elite -- I said CP3 was the elite one). and lay down your cape. I don't hate Lj. I'm not impressed with him, Shaq, and anyone else who has to rely on their size and athleticism for their game. They are good athletes; not good b-ball players. I like Lj's personality (seems to be a sweetheart) and commericials (I think he has acting potential ), tho. You have turned this thread into an Lj thread. .

Who is David Lee spacing the floor for if he can't hit a jumpshot? The 3 point shooters around him are spacing the floor for him to operate, not the other way around. And if you actually watch the games, when he comes of the screens with Curry or Thompson, a lot of the time, they double Curry or Thompson off the screen leaving Lee wide open.

You spit the same stat at me when he shoots similar midrange %'s as LeBron.

Does the assist to bad pass ratio, which you have to get from bball reference, take into the account the usage rate and the amount of attention the defense pays to a particular player?

And you're the one who hate LeBron acting like any superstar in history has won a chip by himself.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

May God guide Steph to Islam.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Who is David Lee spacing the floor for if he can't hit a jumpshot? The 3 point shooters around him are spacing the floor for him to operate, not the other way around. And if you actually watch the games, when he comes of the screens with Curry or Thompson, a lot of the time, they double Curry or Thompson off the screen leaving Lee wide open.

You spit the same stat at me when he shoots similar midrange %'s as LeBron.

Does the assist to bad pass ratio, which you have to get from bball reference, take into the account the usage rate and the amount of attention the defense pays to a particular player?

And you're the one who hate LeBron acting like any superstar in history has won a chip by himself.

John Wall spaces the floor with his speed, despite the fact that he has no jumper, because he can score an efficient 19.9ppg at the basket. Lee spaces with his ability to “dribble in and try to back his man down or face up and drive”. That's from his fan's own keyboard with a youtube video he posted and David does it to the tune of an efficient 18.5ppg. They may double those 2 (which, Bay Area didn't even wanna admit with Klay smh) but that doesn't mean they ignore David. They double Steph and Klay is left open. That doesn't mean they ignore Klay. The Knicks were recently doubling Klay. That doesn't mean they were ignoring Steph.

David is good at scoring and defenses take note of this. He's not getting paid $13M+ for nothing. I don't understand what you're arguing when you say I spit the same stat at you. You claimed it was a career stat and I was telling you it was a stat from this season. I doubt the assist-to-bad-pass ratio takes usage and attention into account but all the stats I've looked at yield similar results in terms of fair to elite passers. Lj is always hanging around with the Feltons and Marios. Never with the CP3's or Rondos. What stat or stats do you think are best in measuring passing ability and why?

I don't hate him at all. What does a ch'ip have to do any of this? If anything, most people are acting like he got those ch'ips on his own. You have no idea what a troll or hate is. Quote me doing any of the following: Clowning players, being unkind to them, posting in dap threads about them losing etc. Not everyone is impressed with Lj and not everyone who isn't impressed is a troll or hater. That's absurd and .

 

[Mac071415]

Who???

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

John Wall spaces the floor with his speed, despite the fact that he has no jumper, because he can score an efficient 19.9ppg at the basket. Lee spaces with his ability to “dribble in and try to back his man down or face up and drive”. That's from his fan's own keyboard with a youtube video he posted and David does it to the tune of an efficient 18.5ppg. They may double those 2 (which, Bay Area didn't even wanna admit with Klay smh) but that doesn't mean they ignore David. They double Steph and Klay is left open. That doesn't mean they ignore Klay. The Knicks were recently doubling Klay. That doesn't mean they were ignoring Steph.

David is good at scoring and defenses take note of this. He's not getting paid $13M+ for nothing. I don't understand what you're arguing when you say I spit the same stat at you. You claimed it was a career stat and I was telling you it was a stat from this season. I doubt the assist-to-bad-pass ratio takes usage and attention into account but all the stats I've looked at yield similar results in terms of fair to elite passers. Lj is always hanging around with the Feltons and Marios. Never with the CP3's or Rondos. What stat or stats do you think are best in measuring passing ability and why?

I don't hate him at all. What does a ch'ip have to do any of this? If anything, most people are acting like he got those ch'ips on his own. You have no idea what a troll or hate is. Quote me doing any of the following: Clowning players, being unkind to them, posting in dap threads about them losing etc. Not everyone is impressed with Lj and not everyone who isn't impressed is a troll or hater. That's absurd and .

You obviously don't know the difference between spacing the floor, and drawing defenders.

You spit the same 33% LeBron percentage this season when David Lee is shooting only 1% better from mid range.

How about the fact that he's 11th in the league in assists, has a 32% assist rate while being the primary offensive option on his team and being 3rd in the league in scoring.

I just quoting you saying David Stern rigged LeBron winning two titles...

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

You obviously don't know the difference between spacing the floor, and drawing defenders.

You spit the same 33% LeBron percentage this season when David Lee is shooting only 1% better from mid range.

How about the fact that he's 11th in the league in assists, has a 32% assist rate while being the primary offensive option on his team and being 3rd in the league in scoring.

I just quoting you saying David Stern rigged LeBron winning two titles...

at you lookin' at another man's body and concerning yourself with their build. Fat?

(in case you're wondering, yup, I'mma brehette)

And, at you getting into your feelings about an entertainer. Chucker? That's why he shoots 37 of 65 for 56.9% on right-shoulder fade-aways, huh? Dylan wrote a good piece on how efficient 'Melo is on difficult shots. 'Melo's not a chucker just because your king can't shoot. Your king went for 'Melo's 60 because he wanted to be like him. How 'Melo tryna be saved by Amaré in a franchise that had been trash for the past 7-8 years before 'Melo got there? Lj joined a franchise that got a ch'ip 4 years before he got there. 'Melo didn't leave his home, and this after he went to the Finals; Lj did. 'Melo went home. Lj joined a Finals MVP, and top 10 big. And, that you call another man your king, sport his avi, and personally attack other players for him and with the quickness too. You thought I was a 'Melo fan. I only have one favorite player and he's never even averaged 20ppg in his whole career. I'm not even from NY. I'm from LA and no, I'm not a Kobe fan, either, but he is an incredible player. You're so with that dude that you actually said that “2 rings” line was hot.

Here's you clowing LeBron also.

 

[Versa]

You take Currys offense off this team we probably would be in the 9th seed on the outside looking in.

Yeah, in the Eastern Conference.