How come the founding fathers never anticipated someone pulling a Trump?

[Formerly Black Trash]

what founding fathers didn't foresee was people other than white men having the right to vote and therefore being a need for a demagogue to divide the electorate to win....

You probably right

 

[MasterOfAllHeSurveyz]

You think they anticipated a civil war?

They did. Read Jefferson's "Wolf By The Ear" letter to John Holmes.

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I thank you, Dear Sir, for the copy you have been so kind as to send me of the letter to your constituents on the Missouri question. it is a perfect justification to them. I had for a long time ceased to read newspapers or pay any attention to public affairs, confident they were in good hands, and content to be a passenger in our bark to the shore from which I am not distant. but this mementous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror. I considered it at once as the knell of the Union. it is hushed indeed for the moment. but this is a reprieve only, not a final sentence. a geographical line, coinciding with a marked principle, moral and political, once concieved and held up to the angry passions of men, will never be obliterated; and every , Start insertion,new, End, irritation will mark it deeper and deeper. I can say with conscious truth that there is not a man on earth who would sacrifice more than I would, to relieve us from this heavy reproach, in any practicable way. the cession of that kind of property, for it is so misnamed, is a bagatelle which would not cost me a second thought, if, in that way, a general emancipation and expatriation could be effected: and, gradually, and with due sacrifices, I think it might be. but, as it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other. of one thing I am certain, that as the passage of slaves from one state to another would not make a slave of a single human being who would not be so without it, so their diffusion over a greater surface would make them individually happier and proportionally facilitate the accomplishment of their emancipation; by dividing the burthen on a greater number of co-adjutors. an abstinence too from this act of power would remove the jealousy excited by the undertaking of Congress; to regulate the condition of the different descriptions of men composing a state. this certainly is the exclusive right of every state, which nothing in the constitution has taken from them and given to the general government. could congress, for example say that the Non-freemen of Connecticut, shall be freemen, or that they shall not emigrate into any other state?

I regret that I am , Start insertion,now, End, to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves, by the generation of '76. to acquire self government and happiness to their country, is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it. if they would but dispassionately weigh the blessings they would throw away against an abstract principle more likely to be effected by union than by scission, they would pause before they would perpetrate this act of suicide on themselves and of treason against the hopes of the world. to yourself as the faithful advocate of union I tender the offering of my high esteem and respect.

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I think the current generation looks back on past generations with rose colored glasses. They have been Presidents totally dropped and cast out by their party (Tyler), duels between federal level politicians that resulted in death (Conway, Pettis, Bittle, Broderick, etc.), a Congressman (Sumner) almost beaten to death on the Senate floor. The shyt Trump talks is fukked up, but it's tame when compared to the FFs.





If you really want to see ugly, checkout Abe Lincoln vs. Stephen Douglas. Douglas called Abe a trap star (. . . that ol' hatchet-faced nutmeg dealer.)

 

[Geek Nasty]

They did. That’s why they hated the idea of political parties. They knew it was a backdoor for installing a dictator.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

what founding fathers didn't foresee was people other than white men having the right to vote and therefore being a need for a demagogue to divide the electorate to win....

hell they didnt even give white men who didnt own land the right to vote. that came later. they always envisioned the american electorate as an extremely small part of the population

and yeah like others have said they thought that if someone insane became president congress would keep him in check. hasnt worked out so well in the last four years.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

for it is so misnamed, is a bagatelle which would not cost me a second thought, if, in that way, a general emancipation and expatriation could be effected: and, gradually, and with due sacrifices, I think it might be. but, as it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other. of one thing I am certain, that as the passage of slaves from one state to another would not make a slave of a single human being who would not be so without it, so their diffusion over a greater surface would make them individually happier and proportionally facilitate the accomplishment of their emancipation; by dividing the burthen on a greater number of co-adjutors. an abstinence too from this act of power would remove the jealousy excited by the undertaking of Congress;

T.I. would be proud.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

T.I. would be proud.

Imagine writing that way

It's hard to even read before my brain goes zzzz

 

[Pressure]

what founding fathers didn't foresee was people other than white men having the right to vote and therefore being a need for a demagogue to divide the electorate to win....

Pretty much.

The people we're complaining about today are the same people as the founding fathers.

 

[EndDomination]

They did, the anti-Federalists purposely put several checks into place for the executive branch.

They had no ides an administrative state would exist, did not see the issues with apportionment, and were also a lot more hands-on (they assumed a President that gets too out of line and ducks impeachment would just get assassinated.)

Aaron Burr clapped Hamilton, Jefferson clapped several people, Congresspeople used to get caned in chambers, etc.

 

[EndDomination]

what founding fathers didn't foresee was people other than white men having the right to vote and therefore being a need for a demagogue to divide the electorate to win....

That's why they put restrictions on who could vote - they didn't believe in absolute democracy, they wanted limitations to prevent "the tyranny of the majority."

Eugenics, anti-Black racism, misogyny, and classism were all major influences on how they structured things.

 

[EBK String]

they did which is why they created federalism with the states and federal government balancing power. The governor's of blue states have taken leadership roles and handled the situation in their states because the president is incompetent. Many more people would be dead if this wasn't the case.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

In Washington's farewell address, he warned the country not to divide into political parties and to not get involved in wars outside of the United States. Washington's non-intervention foreign policy was supported by most Americans for over one hundred years. His advice to avoid political parties was completely ignored, as parties were already forming at the time of his speech.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Brehs, you should read this. Everything we see now is the opposite of what Washington wanted.

George Washington's Farewell Address - Wikipedia

 

[Wargames]

The founding fathers never thought parties would become as all consuming to politics as they are now.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

They did, the anti-Federalists purposely put several checks into place for the executive branch.

They had no ides an administrative state would exist, did not see the issues with apportionment, and were also a lot more hands-on (they assumed a President that gets too out of line and ducks impeachment would just get assassinated.)

Aaron Burr clapped Hamilton, Jefferson clapped several people, Congresspeople used to get caned in chambers, etc.

Honestly I think this is what's wrong with a lot of the world today

The rich and politicians dont have to fear violence

 

[Regular_P]

Honestly I think this is what's wrong with a lot of the world today

The rich and politicians dont have to fear violence

I've been saying this for years. Why change or care when they have nothing to fear?