How did Black politics fail the last 50 years post civil rights and voting rights act? What should we have done better?

[O.T.I.S.]

Separation from our enemies should’ve been prioritized. Instead, we opted to be WITH them. THAT is why we’re in a fukked up situation.



Just think about that for 5 minutes.

Everything we were subjected to after is because as a group we CHOSE to stay here and prayed for things to get better… in their system, speaking their language, using their money, voting for their politicians.

Sounds insane when you think about it.

Hard to disagree with this

As much as I like mixed environments, America in itself is going down the shytter. Other races aren’t raising quality leaders over here anymore either (if they ever did for some).

The issue seems to be that black people stopped thinking for themselves and started following the herd to what is successful in their view.

Back in the day, black leaders were not JUST leaders of their communities. They indirectly were leaders of all minority communities since what they fought for benefitted “others” just as much if not more.


Aka, too many nikkas wanting to follow instead of leading and being fit to lead… which requires integrity to be a good one. People who get things accomplished instead of always talking about it, blaming others, or running their mouths to “look” like a leader but not actually be one. If you lack accountability how can you be fit to lead anyone? If you haven’t done something, or willing to do something, then how do you expect to lead someone else through it?

A good leader knows how/when to lead and follow. They know how to choose the right thing to follow. They have clear goals/purpose that’s not strictly self-serving….


We don’t have that now. We have scammers/grifters which have always been more of a “others” thing over here until a certain time period (drug era imo).

Now we got gang members who think they’re leaders, anti-intelligent rappers, reformed prostitutes and pimps, sports analysts, and basically liars that get most of the attention of the people now. People are entertained by foolish shyt

Awareness is the first step though

 

[Conan]

the talented tenth left black America for the most part

Can you expound on this

 

[Vandelay]

Can you expound on this

When black folk get successful, they more often than not leave the community. Its not even always related to proximity to whiteness, because even in integration resources still aren't fairly distributed. You move to the burbs to avoid crime and have better schools, so that knowledge and money flees the community. And usually choose to procreate with who you're around, so wealth that is accumulates never makes back to the larger black community.

 

[Voice of Reason]

I forgot to add the Black church has become a failure as an institution that pushes FBA/ADOS advancement.

 

[Amo Husserl]

No. That ship has sailed. I’m Americanized at this point. So are my children. We’re generations deep in this system now. I’d be lying if I said I hate it here. I dislike some things, but overall, I’m happy with my choices and my life.

I guess where my thinking starts to veer off from a lot of our people is, I have no hope that things will ever be ideal. There’s no Utopia where everything is going to be perfect for us. There will always be a trade off. To gain some things, we will have to sacrifice some things. To enjoy the American lifestyle you have to accept the bullshyt that comes with it. To move somewhere else and start over, you have to remove yourself from the place and people that made you who you are.

I think what most people are truly angry about is their place in the hierarchy. I know a few rich black people and they don’t complain much.

Aiight, lemme match you, utopias never have existed and they never will.
When are we going to build a stronger gatekeeping community like other communities?

When black folk get successful, they more often than not leave the community. Its not even always related to proximity to whiteness, because even in integration resources still aren't fairly distributed. You move to the burbs to avoid crime and have better schools, so that knowledge and money flees the community. And usually choose to procreate with who you're around, so wealth that is accumulates never makes back to the larger black community.

That money could have financed some of the businesses that would have benefitted the Black community.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

spare me the c00n babble the problem is white supremacist sabotage

lol

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

the issue is our culture and what it produces...
not the politics.

our people fought in those streets for the opportunity to compete...
generations after havent competed .

What’s the power of a union?

Numbers

 

[NZA]

COINTELPRO is a start

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

If your homework is on the table and your dog is on the prowl eventually you understand the dynamics…idealism be damned…right?

 

[acri1]

Most black people don't take white supremacist politics seriously and don't bother to vote against it consistently.

Aside from that it's mostly white supremacist sabatoge like breh above said. After Obama it went into overdrive.

 

[KillerPups]

Everybody at the top got bought out

Basically we gave up and became individualistic started worrying about us and only us.

America ain't never gonna change

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

Aiight, lemme match you, utopias never have existed and they never will.
When are we going to build a stronger gatekeeping community like other communities?

Utopias can’t exist. That’s kind of the point of the thought experiment. What one group considers heaven, another group considers hell.

Gatekeeping, meaning what exactly? Gatekeeping of our culture? I need more information before I give an answer.

 

[Amo Husserl]

Utopias can’t exist. That’s kind of the point of the thought experiment. What one group considers heaven, another group considers hell.

Gatekeeping, meaning what exactly? Gatekeeping of our culture? I need more information before I give an answer.

No. That ship has sailed. I’m Americanized at this point. So are my children. We’re generations deep in this system now. I’d be lying if I said I hate it here. I dislike some things, but overall, I’m happy with my choices and my life.

I guess where my thinking starts to veer off from a lot of our people is, I have no hope that things will ever be ideal. There’s no Utopia where everything is going to be perfect for us. There will always be a trade off. To gain some things, we will have to sacrifice some things. To enjoy the American lifestyle you have to accept the bullshyt that comes with it. To move somewhere else and start over, you have to remove yourself from the place and people that made you who you are.

I think what most people are truly angry about is their place in the hierarchy. I know a few rich black people and they don’t complain much.

There are only ideal moments that make for ideal outcomes, and even results need to be upheld. That does not happen by hoping things will be good for us, we have to make that happen for us, it is a job. Spending money in your own community to build your community is a job. The second sentence was clear.

 

[TEKBEATZ]

integration was not a good thing for us imo..we should have worked to build our own economies, or at least significantly reduce how much of a hand the caucus people had in our business

I agree with this post

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

There are only ideal moments that make for ideal outcomes, and even results need to be upheld. That does not happen by hoping things will be good for us, we have to make that happen for us, it is a job. Spending money in your own community to build your community is a job. The second sentence was clear.

Utopia literally means “no place” in Greek and that’s because it is impossible to create a place where everyone is equally happy and no one suffers. The idea is a thought experiment.

The competitive nature of humans alone makes it an impossibility, but let’s assume that we can all somehow get along and no one feels the need to be in charge or superior to another.

Who builds this Utopia? Who are the laborers and who is in charge of them? Already, there’s inequality.

Who feeds this Utopia and what do they eat? Will vegans be happy with the carnivores? Will the animals be happy they’re food?

Who governs Utopia? If it is democratic, will the 49% cheer when the 51% get their way?

Etc., etc.

The point of the thought experiment is to demonstrate that the idea of total equality is impossible.