How did Kendrick Lamar become considered 'lyrical'?

[The Ruler 09]

correct me if im wrong
i thought lyrical = punchlines,similes,metaphors etc..

That's just a part of it.

 

[Da King]

@SirBiatch got these nikkas in their feelings

 

[mr. smoke weed]

This idiot is comparing Jay Elec to Nas and Kendrick?

How about he releases an album before stan wars can commence?

Surely you aren't referring to me with your idiot comment, are you friend?

And how the fukk did this thread turn into a SirBiatch back and forth? Man some of y'all are too god damn simple. Focus on the thread topic jesus.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

A true lyricist gets their message across in a unique way to a beat. That's what seperates a 'lyricist' from a 'rapper' It isn't big words. It isn't bad punch lines. It's the ability to send a message through someone's ears and into their core. You cannot do that with out being a good communicator and a person who knows how to get your point across well.

As you and I agreed upon multiple days ago, there's more than one way to come across as a 'lyricist'. There's the Canibus style, Nas style, Hov stye;, Scarface/Pac style. Kendrick falls in the latter moreso to me.

How has this thread turned into such a bullshyt fest

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Kendrick became known as a lyricist because he is a lyricist.

Thanks for the breakdown breh

 

[SirBiatch]

@SirBiatch got these nikkas in their feelings

like clockwork

Thanks for the breakdown breh

My son @10bands50bands100bandsQM is a mental midget. forgive him.

 

[Uncle Kendrick]

So now Kendrick isn't lyrical?

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

As you and I agreed upon multiple days ago, there's more than one way to come across as a 'lyricist'. There's the Canibus style, Nas style, Hov stye;, Scarface/Pac style. Kendrick falls in the latter moreso to me.

How has this thread turned into such a bullshyt fest

To me anyone who is above average at using lyrics to get their message and/or point across is a lyricist. They come in many different forms and styles.

And breh, this is The Coli. Any thread over 3 pages goes like this.

 

[Jack Don the G]

This is the life of another girl damaged by the system
These foster homes, I run away and never do miss 'em

Boring. A super common situation touched on rap music, and using basic banal words. But at least I can see what he's talking about.

Boring is a personal preference. And it dont matter if the topic is commonly brought up in rap since we are talking about if its good lyrics or not.
So we agree there's nothing trash about the lines.

See, my hormones just run away and if I can get 'em back
To where they used to be then I'll probably be in the denim
Of a family gene that show women how to be women Or better yet, a leader,

The fukk is he talking about?

Why bring up hormones all of a sudden? "Hormones run away" is stupid mixed-metaphor bullshyt. We can say "Hormones run high" because hormones come in intensity. e.g. high or low volume. But to 'run away' is stupid as fukk. It makes no sense because hormones never run away. They're always in the body. So if you say something like that, meaning's gonna be lost because it literally doesn't happen in real life (or remotely close) and thus can't have poetic meaning as a result. But he probably added that shyt to coincide with the "I run away" statement earlier.

"denim" is a substitute for 'jeans' which is a sound play on words for 'gene'. Cute but that's middle school shyt. And it sounds stupid as fukk to say [translated] "I"ll probably be in the gene of a family gene."
Then you add "that show women how to be women" and I'm sitting there like .

Here he makes the connection back to the previous "running away from foster home". And with poetry you don't have to take things literally. You being mad and stating they are always in your body shows your not fit to talk lyrics.
You ask why he brings up hormons? Well its a teenage girl. Hormons is what is produced during this time.

When he is saying they are running away ( leaving her without hormones), he is pointing to that without hormones you are always a girl, never becoming a woman. Which he also keeps repeating later in later lines.
She is been raped making her dead inside. Nether being the innocent girl anymore and nether becoming a woman. Since he don't have any role models.

"I"ll probably be in the gene of a family gene." Wow, you are simple.

Taking things literally again.

If she cant get her hormones back (Becoming her self again, being able to grow).

She will be in the demin (surface/shell of the jeans) of the family gene (tree/dna). (the out side of society)

Let me guess
**but, but, its a reach **

**but, but its smart dumb shyt **

**but, but its still low level middle school poetry **

How does it feel to know Kendricks "low level middel school" lyrics goes over your head?

Spoiler

+1 for you getting the wordplay at lest. But -2 for not bringing any reasons why the lyrics are trash

Or better yet, a leader, you need her to learn somethin'
Then you probably need to beat her, that's how I was taught
Three nikkas in one room, first time I was tossed
And I'm exhausted, but fukk that "Sorry for your loss" shyt

Nothing I haven't heard before, all expressed in the most banal language. There's no depth. Just "yeah I'm a woman. I'm used to violence and I had a train run on me." So what? What does she think about either of those situations? Where's the insight? e.g. maybe when she was getting beat she remembers that whoever was doing the beating had a lotto ticket stuffed in their jeans pocket and she kept thinking how strange that was (disappearing into her own world). And mentioning that lotto ticket gives an insight into the kind of person her aggressor was. ***I just made that up by the way. You'll predictably clown it and miss my point entirely **

Still dont matter if the topic is commonly brought up since we are talking about if its good lyrics or not. Nas raps about common rap themes. Doesn't make his raps any less lyrical.
Once again this is your preference. If we analys the rhymes, we can see its way over middle school rhyming.

beat her - leader (multi syllable)

taught - tossed (perfect slant rhyming)

exhausted - loss shyt (multi syllable with perfect slant rhyming)

"banal language" You made multi syllable slant rhyming when you was in middle school dude?



And for you to claim that its not deep and speculate what she thinks about it, just proved why its stupid to analys lines instead of the whole song.

fukk out of here calling Sing about me shallow.

Asking wheres the insight in those line so fukking stupid it hurts. Kendrick is rapping in the persona of a teen age (attention seeking (just like you)) foster home girl that's a prostitute. You want her to have a deep analysis on why she is in the position shes in.
Shes lecturing Kendrick on not judging her sister or her. Not explaining her self or having a therapy session.

Again, stuff you should be able to catch but miss cus you make strawman arguments, making up scenarios of how she should be acting/thinking that don't fit the narrative of the song or any normal human being.


My sister died in vain, but what point are you trying to gain
If you can't fit the pumps I walk in?

Basic-ass variation of You can't walk a mile in my shoes Cliche as fukk

No basic. Its a variation, yes. But it fits the narrative of what she is telling him.

Simple but still not trash and low level middle school poetry.

You keep saying hes cliche for talking on a subject that a lot of rappers have rapped about. But once again you miss that these lines are apart of the whole song of Sing about me.

You expect groundbreaking lyrics in 11 lines on subject that is a smaller part of the message of the whole song.

I just agreed to have the discussion on your terms, singling out lines and you still couldn't prove Kedricks lyrics are trash or low lever middle school poetry.



With that settled and still wanna make a solid claim Kendrick is cliche, listen to the whole sing about me song and point out why the song is cliche.

Judging on your previous lack of comprehension you totally gonna miss the whole message of the song.
But lets say you actually do get it, post three rap songs done in a similar cliche way or in a better uncliche way.



Scratch that, Ill make it easy for you. Post two songs that don't have to have the same structure or similar in the sense of narrative, but just the message of what he is conveying.


I guess I'll remind you tomorrow to come back to me since you have a tendency to go missing when confronted with real discussion .

 

[Nomad1]

duckworth lyrically reminds me of nas

 

[mr. smoke weed]

To me anyone who is above average at using lyrics to get their message and/or point across is a lyricist. They come in many different forms and styles.

And breh, this is The Coli. Any thread over 3 pages goes like this.

Yea man I feel you on the first half.
Second half maybe it's bc I'm from the SOHH pre bullshyt days but the booth is goddamn unbearable almost nowadays. Dude's slapboxing in threads like hoes when they can in PMs, morons replying without reading the first post. SMH.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

So now Kendrick isn't lyrical?

Read the first post pimp

 

[big_controversy]

I listened to TPAB on Friday on a short road trip. That garbage almost put me to sleep. This nvcca Kendrick overrated

 

[SirBiatch]

@Jack Don the G

Of course boring is a personal preference. Who said it wasnt? And it absolutely matters how often a topic has been brought up because certain topics are stale. Don't play dumb. You and other Duckworths will use this exact argument to clown gangsta rap yet dodge when it applies to duckie. Stale writing is not good writing anywhere.

lmao at how quickly you jumped to "so we agree there's nothing trash about the lines".

As for poetry vs literal, don't be stupid. I understand poetry way deeper than you. Anyone reading can see this. Poetry (at least the great stuff) functions on aspects of the literal. Poetry is picture in words. So if something literally never happens in real life and you can't picture it, it wont have poetic meaning. You seem to have missed that essential point.

And your cute mental gymnastics (which you should post on rapgenius) are ultimately shallow and don't lead to a clear purpose. I'll pick out the one that had me

She will be in the demin (surface/shell of the jeans) of the family gene (tree/dna). (the out side of society)

Surface? Shell of? Do you even know what denim means? Denim is fabric. There is NOTHING in the word denim that implies position (surface vs interior) and it simply isn't relevant. Jeans are made of denim the whole way through. Interior, exterior, wherever.

and then you used that shytty convenient gymnastics to leap further into "the out side of society"

You know what... I'm just gonna stop here. Can't waste my time debating idiots enamored with cliche music. I've said this before but Kendrick stans are some of the dumbest fans in modern hip hop. You're easily impressed by weak shyt but we're not. Don't get mad when we state our opinions and you feel the need to 'remind' us we trolling though you're desperate to know our opinion

 

[No1]

To me anyone who is above average at using lyrics to get their message and/or point across is a lyricist. They come in many different forms and styles.

And breh, this is The Coli. Any thread over 3 pages goes like this.

The problem, which I think you're missing is that when people say Kendrick is killing other cats lyrically. People take that to mean spitting the hottest shyt or just having bars. This was my point. See below:

correct me if im wrong
i thought lyrical = punchlines,similes,metaphors etc..

This is why battle rappers are called the best lyricists and none of those dudes can make songs to save their lives.

Im not even a huge fan of Kendrick. I enjoy his music, But I dont find it to be as great as some others find it.

But I can't understand where all the hate and "he's fake deep," stuff comes from. He seems like a regular down to earth dude that makes music a little different than his peers. I read the stuff that gets written on here about him and I don't know what yall want from him.

People hate his fans and the white bloggers that exaggerate everything he does. They attribute things to him that people get annoyed by and then try to tear down. If people were just like "he's dope" and I felt like this when I heard it...no one would complain. People usually hate people's fans more than the artist himself.