How do you feel about the Forbes top 100 Billionaires list in regards to poverty?

How do you feel about the Forebs top 100 Billionaires?

  • These people are a problem to society.

  • I'm not a Hater because i'm wealthy myself.


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You were just talking about how money is created. You had a real chance to critique the role of banking within this country. There needs to be a bit of a shift to core banking activities that allow projects like JP Morgan's investment into Detroit to succeed. These institutions exist to support the real economy, but that has been less of the case in recent decades.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...illion-on-detroit-can-it-leverage-a-lot-more/
I've already talked about banking in the economy.

I want folks like @Truth200 and @Poiter to fully flesh out their philosophies before attacking everyone who doesn't agree with them. I have in depth critiques of everything from the Fed to public investment... much of which is not far off in end result from what brehs who disagree with me want, but done in a completely different, realistic, fully thought out way. "Take everything from the rich" is not the solution.
 
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I've already talked about banking in the economy.

I want folks like @Truth200 and @Poiter to fully flesh out their philosophies before attacking everyone who doesn't agree with them. I have in depth critiques of everything from the Fed to public investment... much of which is not far off in end result from what brehs who disagree with me want, but done in a completely different, realistic, fully thought out way. "Take everything from the rich" is not the solution.
Mustve missed it. Like in any argument, people take one side and refuse to compromise. Obviously, the take the everything from the rich approach isn't going to solve problems by itself, but forcing wealthy people to reinvest in the country by taxing them at higher rates isn't unreasonable and should be part of the solution as well.
 
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IBM and its consumers



Share holders and tax payers
How and how? IBM WANTED Microsoft to have full ownership of the software as they didn't have the legal chops to deal with all the litigious issues surrounding writing software. Computer consumers didn't have to buy IBMs or Windows computers- I have 4 computers in my house and only 1 runs Windows. And if lowering one's tax exposure through legal means = exploitation then anyone who ever filed for a deduction or collected a tax refund is "exploiting".
 

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Must of missed it. Like in any argument, people take one side and refuse to compromise. Obviously, the take the everything from the rich approach isn't going to solve problems by itself, but forcing wealthy people to reinvest in the country by taxing them at higher rates isn't unreasonable and should be part of the solution as well.
Like I've said a million times before, rich people already pay crazy high taxes, and far higher tax rates than the average American. And what good is collecting more taxes, if we aren't holding the govt that spends it accountable to spend it in the country's best interests? You collect more taxes, all that will happen is more corporate tax breaks and military growth. We could do much of what people want to do now with no tax hikes and a huge simplification of the tax code. But again, people are more interested in applying punitive measures to what they feel is "obscene" wealth, while candy coating their anger with feigned concern for the poor. Why should rich people have to give everything away if the people who want them to aren't poor and aren't giving everything away first?
 

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How and how? IBM WANTED Microsoft to have full ownership of the software as they didn't have the legal chops to deal with all the litigious issues surrounding writing software.

Because it was an emerging market and technology few understood. Easy exploitation.


Computer consumers didn't have to buy IBMs or Windows computers-

In the 70s and 80s it damn near did
 
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Like I've said a million times before, rich people already pay crazy high taxes, and far higher tax rates than the average American. And what good is collecting more taxes, if we aren't holding the govt that spends it accountable to spend it in the country's best interests? You collect more taxes, all that will happen is more corporate tax breaks and military growth. We could do much of what people want to do now with no tax hikes and a huge simplification of the tax code. But again, people are more interested in applying punitive measures to what they feel is "obscene" wealth, while candy coating their anger with feigned concern for the poor. Why should rich people have to give everything away if the people who want them to aren't poor and aren't giving everything away first?
Agree with a lot of this, but I just don't see it as punitive to take, lets just say for arguments sake, 3% more from someone making over $1 million a year. You aren't compromising their lifestyle in any significant way. Like I said before, it doesn't have to be one solution. You can simplify the tax code, attempt to make spending more efficient and also raise rates on the wealthy.
 

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Agree with a lot of this, but I just don't see it as punitive to take, lets just say for arguments sake, 3% more from someone making over $1 million a year. You aren't compromising their lifestyle in any significant way. Like I said before, it doesn't have to be one solution. You can simplify the tax code, attempt to make spending more efficient and also raise rates on the wealthy.
Someone making $1M a year pays anywhere from 30-60% of their income to taxes, when it's all said and done. How much more should they pay, when the average person is getting back 10-15% for choosing to have kids and own a home?

Because it was an emerging market and technology few understood. Easy exploitation.
That doesn't mean there was exploitation. How exactly was the exploiting done? Break it down step by step.

In the 70s and 80s it damn near did
No it didn't. For starters computers were wildly expensive then and well beyond the reach of "the exploitable". Only buyers of computers were rich geeks and institutions like laboratories, big business and universities. Second of all there was plenty of choice in the 70s and 80s... it wasn't until the late 80s that DOS/Windows really took hold of the market. In the 70s there were a ton of startups and no clear leaders. And again, IBM wanted Microsoft to handle and own all the software to avoid lawsuits... so who exactly was being exploited and what were the mechanisms of exploitation?
 
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Someone making $1M a year pays anywhere from 30-60% of their income to taxes, when it's all said and done. How much more should they pay, when the average person is getting back 10-15% for choosing to have kids and own a home?

I just gave you a reasonable number. If you think rich people paying what they do now is a problem, there's not much else left to discuss. Unchecked prosperity is too little for some people I guess.
 

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I just gave you a reasonable number. If you think rich people paying what they do now is a problem, there's not much else left to discuss. Unchecked prosperity is too little for some people I guess.
A 60% effective tax rate is unchecked prosperity? Lol.

And what happens when that 3% isn't enough? And the 3% after that isn't enough? And so on and so forth?

I could get with a tax hike, if we can get the govt to be accountable first. Otherwise what's the point? What is that 3% going to do for a govt that doesn't act in the interest of its citizens anyway?
 
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A 60% effective tax rate is unchecked prosperity? Lol.

And what happens when that 3% isn't enough? And the 3% after that isn't enough? And so on and so forth?

I could get with a tax hike, if we can get the govt to be accountable first. Otherwise what's the point? What is that 3% going to do for a govt that doesn't act in the interest of its citizens anyway?
Those tax rates do sound quite high when you're allowed to make them up :russ:

Slippery slope argument? Really? :snooze:
 

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It took 10 pages but i think the dialogue i was trying to get started on this topic here has finally materialized.
 
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