How do you think Stern feels about these Old Heads sourness towards today's NBA?

[pete clemenza]

their resentment is deeper than that.

Jordan is just an ornery b*stard and most of the media commentators are just hoes, but a lot of the old NBA heads got a legit critique. The NBA is the MTV of American sports leagues. They do a horrible job at telling their history, with the exception of Jordan, Magic, and Bird.

I don't think so. The old heads do nothing but talk about themselves and what they used to do on the court especially since most of the greats have tv analyst and coaching positions these days. They all hit you with the "Well when I played" talk two or three times a broadcast if they have the opportunity. Now you have this Jordan love/slobfest jumping off on ESPN. It would be overkill if the league jumped in and joined in on the remembrance of its legends and former stars.

Baseball is the sport that pumps up its past way more than its present and future. Baseball is stricktly about its history. I think the NFL and NBA have a nice balance with its past and present and its not overkill. The old NBA heads might be mad at the money the younger generation gets, rightly so, but on the flip side they have more post basketball/business opportunities than retirees of the NFL and MLB have.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

money has something to do with their apprehension of competing. Since many players particularly the stars earn money outside of their NBA salary, risking getting hurt can mess that up. Barkley is right, but those same stars are not making what today's NBA players are making. They have more to lose.

It's not even just that.

It's sort of like the Olympics where if guys don't compete sports media will shyt on them for it, but when they do compete they'll shyt on them for it too.

The main people clamoring for Lebron to be in the contest just want him there so they can shyt on his performance.

 

[Kimo_bud]

They are crabby b*stards but they make a legit point about Lebron pulling a ho move to join up with wade and bosh for an easy championship

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Its not just players its fans too..people look at the nba as a young persons sport.i dont know many cats over 50 who still enjoy the nba but instead talk about how great thier generation was and how theres no ball movmement anymore players arent as smart etc[not just old cac's either]

Maybe once Stern leaves the new comisisoner can make it feel like its geared toward grown men more instead of kids

 

[Malta]

Its not just players its fans too..people look at the nba as a young persons sport.i dont know many cats over 50 who still enjoy the nba but instead talk about how great thier generation was and how theres no ball movmement anymore players arent as smart etc[not just old cac's either]

Maybe once Stern leaves the new comisisoner can make it feel like its geared toward grown men more instead of kids

ESPN and the way they present the game is to blame there.

 

[mastermind]

I don't think so. The old heads do nothing but talk about themselves and what they used to do on the court especially since most of the greats have tv analyst and coaching positions these days. They all hit you with the "Well when I played" talk two or three times a broadcast if they have the opportunity. Now you have this Jordan love/slobfest jumping off on ESPN. It would be overkill if the league jumped in and joined in on the remembrance of its legends and former stars.

Baseball is the sport that pumps up its past way more than its present and future. Baseball is stricktly about its history. I think the NFL and NBA have a nice balance with its past and present and its not overkill. The old NBA heads might be mad at the money the younger generation gets, rightly so, but on the flip side they have more post basketball/business opportunities than retirees of the NFL and MLB have.

there is no balance in the NBA. THe NBA barely discusses any of its pre 1980 history, and most of the media and fans disrespect that time period.

I am not saying the NBA needs to be like MLB where it is paralyzed by its past, but they do a terrible job selling their game. @dantheman9758 does a better job telling the NBA's story than what the NBA has ever done.

 

[dtownreppin214]

I don't think it's money when you talk about nikkas like Chuck because players now (superstars at least) are getting jerked in terms of money. Just look at salary growth in baseball and football and compare it to basketball. Shaq and KG made more money 15 years ago than anybody except Kobe is making now.

I think the 80/90s players main beef with this generation is being more concerned with their brands then they are with competition. Slam Dunk contest is a perfect example. Jordan, Nique, Dr. J all participated in multiple dunk contests. It wasn't about hurting your image or "I'ma do one so I can say I did it"...nikkas was actually competing over that shyt. Beyond that I remember the days when nikkas only got one do over at then it was a wrap. nikkas out there looking like they are alone in the gym practicing with all those misses.

bruh you honestly believe if lebron decided to do the slam dunk competition that the unnecessary bytching from these fools would stop?

it's not just them tho, this media latches on to all this vitriol from these old heads. i heard some idiot on the radio today say that lebron's legacy will be tainted forever b/c he never competed in the dunk contest.

 

[FTBS]

bruh you honestly believe if lebron decided to do the slam dunk competition that the unnecessary bytching from these fools would stop?

it's not just them tho, this media latches on to all this vitriol from these old heads. i heard some idiot on the radio today say that lebron's legacy will be tainted forever b/c he never competed in the dunk contest.

I think that if you saw STARS, plural, in the dunk contest consistently like it was in "their day" and nikkas didn't take 20 attempts to complete a dunk there would be significantly less bytching...in that regard at least. Old nikkas are always gonna bytch about something.

 

[PortCityProphet]

i dont think it's sourness as much as wanting the game to be better or like it was when they played. the flopping, and whining is embarrassing now days. these new cats are soft for the most part but the game is softer also. when the last time nikkas got to scrappin? there aren't hard fouls, no one protects the paint like that anymore.
and last night these dudes missing dunk after dunk looks bad for the league. and who are these dudes. they don't even average a dunk a game but yet you in the dunk contest it's god awful TV. i wasnt even watching cause youre better off waiting for the replay it'll save you a good 2 mins. Chuck clownin has been the highlight of the past couple dunk contest.

 

[pete clemenza]

there is no balance in the NBA. THe NBA barely discusses any of its pre 1980 history, and most of the media and fans disrespect that time period.

I am not saying the NBA needs to be like MLB where it is paralyzed by its past, but they do a terrible job selling their game. @dantheman9758 does a better job telling the NBA's story than what the NBA has ever done.

The NBA covering up their past might be strategic. Early 80's were their dark ages. Their tv contract with CBS was crap. You had like one or two playoff games on the weekend and it was on tape delay at midnight. I heard there was a bigtime coke problem in the league. White fans complained about too many blacks in the league. attendance was dismal, etc.

maybe there's a reason, as far as NBA history goes, you'll the "Havlechik steals the ball" grainy footage clip then footage of the classic Boston-Phoenix overtime finals game then jump to the Bird/Magic footage, to Jordan, etc. they pretty much always skip over most of the 70's-early 80's era. always

 

[mastermind]

The NBA covering up their past might be strategic. Early 80's were their dark ages. Their tv contract with CBS was crap. You had like one or two playoff games on the weekend and it was on tape delay at midnight. I heard there was a bigtime coke problem in the league. White fans complained about too many blacks in the league. attendance was dismal, etc.

maybe there's a reason, as far as NBA history goes, you'll the "Havlechik steals the ball" grainy footage clip then footage of the classic Boston-Phoenix overtime finals game then jump to the Bird/Magic footage, to Jordan, etc. they pretty much always skip over most of the 70's-early 80's era. always

and when they talk about the 60s, they make the game look slower and nonathletic than it really was.

And the ignorant media jumps on it too, as well as dumb ass fans.

I feel a lot of the old heads resentment comes from that.

 

[pete clemenza]

i dont think it's sourness as much as wanting the game to be better or like it was when they played. the flopping, and whining is embarrassing now days. these new cats are soft for the most part but the game is softer also. when the last time nikkas got to scrappin? there aren't hard fouls, no one protects the paint like that anymore.
and last night these dudes missing dunk after dunk looks bad for the league. and who are these dudes. they don't even average a dunk a game but yet you in the dunk contest it's god awful TV. i wasnt even watching cause youre better off waiting for the replay it'll save you a good 2 mins. Chuck clownin has been the highlight of the past couple dunk contest.

I think the fines and suspensions has killed off the hard foul protect the paint issue. And nowadays a scrub/goon isn't going to protect the stars like Mahorn/Marice Lucas/Oakley used to because he's going to get suspended, lose pay, and get fined and to top it off the star player makes 5 times as what the goon makes. These old heads know all this but they continue to complain and talk shyt which makes no sense.

-And the dunk contest should've been over with years ago. every dunk has been done to death already. They drag these no names out to fail imo.

fukk a dunk contest, what they need to do is have a "Junk in the Trunk Contest" and see which groupie running around all star weekend has the fattest azz. they're not even relevant to what's goin' on at their own festivities

 

[tremonthustler1]

I don't think so. The old heads do nothing but talk about themselves and what they used to do on the court especially since most of the greats have tv analyst and coaching positions these days. They all hit you with the "Well when I played" talk two or three times a broadcast if they have the opportunity. Now you have this Jordan love/slobfest jumping off on ESPN. It would be overkill if the league jumped in and joined in on the remembrance of its legends and former stars.

Baseball is the sport that pumps up its past way more than its present and future. Baseball is stricktly about its history. I think the NFL and NBA have a nice balance with its past and present and its not overkill. The old NBA heads might be mad at the money the younger generation gets, rightly so, but on the flip side they have more post basketball/business opportunities than retirees of the NFL and MLB have.

Baseball knows how to pump its stars up, just not at the expense of pumping up the teams they play for. It's about context. The star doesn't overshadow the team, not even if you're Mo or Jeter. Could they do better? Sure, but it's not the nature of the league to play as if it's a superstar's league.

The irony is that where being a superstar's league matters the most is in the negotiating room, and the MLBPA dominates there.

 

[PortCityProphet]

I think the fines and suspensions has killed off the hard foul protect the paint issue. And nowadays a scrub/goon isn't going to protect the stars like Mahorn/Marice Lucas/Oakley used to because he's going to get suspended, lose pay, and get fined and to top it off the star player makes 5 times as what the goon makes. These old heads know all this but they continue to complain and talk shyt which makes no sense.

-And the dunk contest should've been over with years ago. every dunk has been done to death already. They drag these no names out to fail imo.

fukk a dunk contest, what they need to do is have a "Junk in the Trunk Contest" and see which groupie running around all star weekend has the fattest azz. they're not even relevant to what's goin' on at their own festivities

Agree with the dunk contest. It's been dead for years.
And also agree with you on your other point but I don't think they're looking that deep into it. They just see a bunch soft mofos. Hell it was a little more scrappy up until I guess the early 2000s

 

[pete clemenza]

Baseball knows how to pump its stars up, just not at the expense of pumping up the teams they play for. It's about context. The star doesn't overshadow the team, not even if you're Mo or Jeter.

But they also kill their stars off though. They'll pump them a little bit but if and when a steroid or PED case pops up they're throwing the stars under the bus and dart right back to the history of the game- clinging to and promoting the grainy footage of the Babe, Micky Mantle, Jackie Robinson, and the likes time after time again. Imo they should've protected McGuire, Sosa, Bonds, ARod, etc. God forbid if Mike Trout or Bryce Harper were to ever be linked to any substance.