How do you think Stern feels about these Old Heads sourness towards today's NBA?

[OGmittee]

 

[tremonthustler1]

But they also kill their stars off though. They'll pump them a little bit but if and when a steroid or PED case pops up they're throwing the stars under the bus and dart right back to the history of the game- clinging to and promoting the grainy footage of the Babe, Micky Mantle, Jackie Robinson, and the likes time after time again.

So MLB kills their stars off by them getting caught with PED's? MLB's behind the testing, not the players' usage of PED's. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Imo they should've protected McGuire, Sosa, Bonds, ARod, etc. God forbid if Mike Trout or Bryce Harper were to ever be linked to any substance.

You realize MLB has not punished any of those guys right? They're not gonna defend what they might have done because if they do, that kills any credibility the sport has left. You couldn't expect any sport to defend players breaking rules they have in place today. That makes zero sense. MLB hasn't banned anyone. Mark McGwire still gets checks today signed by MLB. He won a ring just a year ago as a pitching coach. Giambi's still employed as a 42 year old has been. Barry Bonds gets love in SF. The people that don't show love to the steroid users are baseball voters, which MLB has nothing to do with. If Trout or Harper get linked to a substance, that's on them, not MLB, and MLB would look stupid to defend that behavior because it would kill off their main selling point: their history.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

ESPN and the way they present the game is to blame there.

I agree but i also think the nba had a hand in it..espn is corny with all its presntations but its coverage of the nfl and mlb arent as low brow and made for teenagers

 

[FTBS]

Baseball knows how to pump its stars up, just not at the expense of pumping up the teams they play for. It's about context. The star doesn't overshadow the team, not even if you're Mo or Jeter. Could they do better? Sure, but it's not the nature of the league to play as if it's a superstar's league.

The irony is that where being a superstar's league matters the most is in the negotiating room, and the MLBPA dominates there.

Bron looking at Arod and Puljos' contracts like .

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

The NBA covering up their past might be strategic. Early 80's were their dark ages. Their tv contract with CBS was crap. You had like one or two playoff games on the weekend and it was on tape delay at midnight. I heard there was a bigtime coke problem in the league. White fans complained about too many blacks in the league. attendance was dismal, etc.

maybe there's a reason, as far as NBA history goes, you'll the "Havlechik steals the ball" grainy footage clip then footage of the classic Boston-Phoenix overtime finals game then jump to the Bird/Magic footage, to Jordan, etc. they pretty much always skip over most of the 70's-early 80's era. always

Thats a good point the 70's up till Magic and Bird the nba was at its lowest point..everyhting peopl esay about the nba today: all style no substance players are all criminals no passing was what was happenign in the 70's

You had aba stars who were huge names and grea players who came to the nba but were thoguht of to be selfish players ie Dr J

 

[tone wone]

If they let the past be the past they're criticized for ignoring their history.

If they glorify their history they're criticized for hanging on to the past and not letting the new gen grow into their own legacies.

Old heads are gonna always big up their generation so it has to be up to the actual journalist to keep the balance. The problem is opinions of old heads are treating as gospel in hoops more so than any other sport AND more importantly most of the time their opinion is only asked when its time to either compare themselves or shyt on either a star player or the game itself.

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy

 

[pete clemenza]

So MLB kills their stars off by them getting caught with PED's? MLB's behind the testing, not the players' usage of PED's. I'm not sure what you're getting at.



You realize MLB has not punished any of those guys right? They're not gonna defend what they might have done because if they do, that kills any credibility the sport has left. You couldn't expect any sport to defend players breaking rules they have in place today. That makes zero sense. MLB hasn't banned anyone. Mark McGwire still gets checks today signed by MLB. He won a ring just a year ago as a pitching coach. Giambi's still employed as a 42 year old has been. Barry Bonds gets love in SF. The people that don't show love to the steroid users are baseball voters, which MLB has nothing to do with. If Trout or Harper get linked to a substance, that's on them, not MLB, and MLB would look stupid to defend that behavior because it would kill off their main selling point: their history.

Ease off with the testing breh. MLB does the testing right, and they're the ones releasing the results to the media and public right(maybe I'm wrong)Do they want home runs and big ticket gate walk up sales or not? There's only so many people on this planet that can hit a curve ball, average 30-40 home runs and be a gold glove in the field. Its not like the NFL where outside of the QB there's hundreds of dudes 6'5" 250 athletic who can run the 40 is amazing time sitting on a practice squad waiting for someone to get injured.

These big stars getting caught are ruining the legacy of MLB. And I'm a baseball fan Tre, I'm probably hitting 5-6 games this up coming season so you don't have to come in on some shyt as the protector of all things MLB. Selig and company knows these guys are juiced up with or without any testing. But they'll market "Chicks dig the longball" and ride the homers and the press and ticket sales it brings, then test them-release the test results, watch the star fall from grace and then scramble to throw up grainy footage of the past and get everyone misty-eyed and nostalgic. wash, rinse, and repeat. But that shyt is gonna come back and bite them in the azz one day.

-I like how the NFL and NBA are more about 'right now' than in the past. Maybe they could improve on the past but its a good blend to me.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Ease off with the testing breh. MLB does the testing right, and they're the ones releasing the results to the media and public right(maybe I'm wrong)Do they want home runs and big ticket gate walk up sales or not? There's only so many people on this planet that can hit a curve ball, average 30-40 home runs and be a gold glove in the field. Its not like the NFL where outside of the QB there's hundreds of dudes 6'5" 250 athletic who can run the 40 is amazing time sitting on a practice squad waiting for someone to get injured.

Not having strong testing is what had Congress on their ass because players started dying.

In other words, you don't think the sport can function cleanly. That's ridiculous. Some of the players you mentioned are proof that you don't need it to put up numbers. It's not as if you're trading one for the other.

Selig and company knows these guys are juiced up with or without any testing. But they'll market "Chicks dig the longball" and ride the homers and the press and ticket sales it brings, then test them-release the test results, watch the star fall from grace and then scramble to throw up grainy footage of the past and get everyone misty-eyed and nostalgic. wash, rinse, and repeat. But that shyt is gonna come back and bite them in the azz one day.

Do you know how long it's been since a "chicks dig the long ball commercial? They don't even market like that nowadays. If anything, what we've seen from a marketing tool is the rebirth of the dominant pitcher. Bigger ballparks, more dominant starters, less home runs, more emphasis on situational hitting. Ask King Felix and eventually Verlander, Kershaw, and Price how much they're gonna eat off of this new emphasis on pitching. What do you want from MLB? If you really wanna see something bite them in the ass, it would be some bullshyt pardon on players who took PED's, not giving a damn about testing, and then watch how the only people left that would take the sport somewhat seriously are extremely casual fans whose money and loyalty cannot be guaranteed.

 

[pete clemenza]

Not having strong testing is what had Congress on their ass because players started dying.

In other words, you don't think the sport can function cleanly. That's ridiculous. Some of the players you mentioned are proof that you don't need it to put up numbers. It's not as if you're trading one for the other.



Do you know how long it's been since a "chicks dig the long ball commercial? They don't even market like that nowadays. If anything, what we've seen from a marketing tool is the rebirth of the dominant pitcher. Bigger ballparks, more dominant starters, less home runs, more emphasis on situational hitting. Ask King Felix and eventually Verlander, Kershaw, and Price how much they're gonna eat off of this new emphasis on pitching. What do you want from MLB? If you really wanna see something bite them in the ass, it would be some bullshyt pardon on players who took PED's, not giving a damn about testing, and then watch how the only people left that would take the sport somewhat seriously are extremely casual fans whose money and loyalty cannot be guaranteed.

I'm not in favor of PED's and such but how long can they keep the attention of the sporting public with shutouts, no hitters, and perfect games becoming the norm? I don't know the answer to all this. I think they're in for a problem in the future. I appreciate the strikeout, the stolen base, the bunt single and so forth but the homerun is the king in baseball. This season coming up will more than likely be big pitching year and the year after that and on and on. they have to find a balance some how. even the history they prop up is about the big home run hitters of the past.

 

[dantheman9758]

and when they talk about the 60s, they make the game look slower and nonathletic than it really was.

And the ignorant media jumps on it too, as well as dumb ass fans.

I feel a lot of the old heads resentment comes from that.

Tell me about it. Official NBA mix of superstar SF Elgin Baylor and GOAT caliber center Wilt Chamberlain:
[ame=http://youtu.be/VH7ft2vziPU]Elgin Baylor LA Lakers Career Highlights - YouTube[/ame]


Reminds me of:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B619J7VeYAY[/ame]

*They don't spend time or effort hunting for ACTUAL highlights by combing through any games they have or by organizing and archiving the several dozen documentaries that were made from back then, they just find a few minutes worth of clips of layups or a jumpshots and call it a day
*Forget about color correction, they leave shyt dark and grainy in the condition it has been after 50 years of corrosion being stored in a box in a closet collecting dust
*Slow motion aint popular anymore, it was cool in the sixties - today people want to see shyt in real time, but they dont make adjustments to play the film back at real time

The way legends of that era deserve to be presented:



And it's not like they don't spend time or money on people who can make legit mixes. They combed through Brian Scalabrine's entire career just to make HIM look like a legend. Same people who made Wilt and Baylor look like slow motion handicaps on the court made Scal look like the GOAT
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnXQsJ8ung8[/ame]

Priorities NBA, priorities.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I'm not in favor of PED's and such but how long can they keep the attention of the sporting public with shutouts, no hitters, and perfect games becoming the norm? I don't know the answer to all this. I think they're in for a problem in the future. I appreciate the strikeout, the stolen base, the bunt single and so forth but the homerun is the king in baseball. This season coming up will more than likely be big pitching year and the year after that and on and on. they have to find a balance some how. even the history they prop up is about the big home run hitters of the past.

They've kept the attention of the sporting public with a game that has been played virtually the same way for 130+ years. Pitching is half the battle in baseball. If that's an aspect of the game that doesn't appeal to you, don't watch. The sport ain't for you. They're not gonna all of a sudden change the game just to appease the ADD of America and its obsession with scoring. There will always be elite pitchers and elite hitters and they can coexist at the same time.

 

[pete clemenza]

They've kept the attention of the sporting public with a game that has been played virtually the same way for 130+ years. Pitching is half the battle in baseball. If that's an aspect of the game that doesn't appeal to you, don't watch. The sport ain't for you. They're not gonna all of a sudden change the game just to appease the ADD of America and its obsession with scoring. There will always be elite pitchers and elite hitters and they can coexist at the same time.

the sport ain't for me?? I've been watching baseball my whole life nicca. I go to games and I didn't say shyt about scoring, they need balance. Big pitchers and big hitters. At the rate they're going its going to be all pitching and no hitting.

 

[tremonthustler1]

the sport ain't for me?? I've been watching baseball my whole life nicca. I go to games and I didn't say shyt about scoring, they need balance. Big pitchers and big hitters. At the rate they're going its going to be all pitching and no hitting.

Not referring to you specifically, think.

The bolded comment is ridiculous. Pitching's making a comeback right? We just witnessed a Triple Crown winner on offense. Hitting's not gonna go anywhere. It never went anywhere when it wasn't enhanced and it's not going anywhere now.

 

[Danie84]

He's probably feels pretty stern about it

 

[CrimsonTider]

I don't think it's money when you talk about nikkas like Chuck because players now (superstars at least) are getting jerked in terms of money. Just look at salary growth in baseball and football and compare it to basketball. Shaq and KG made more money 15 years ago than anybody except Kobe is making now.

I think the 80/90s players main beef with this generation is being more concerned with their brands then they are with competition. Slam Dunk contest is a perfect example. Jordan, Nique, Dr. J all participated in multiple dunk contests. It wasn't about hurting your image or "I'ma do one so I can say I did it"...nikkas was actually competing over that shyt. Beyond that I remember the days when nikkas only got one do over at then it was a wrap. nikkas out there looking like they are alone in the gym practicing with all those misses.

Bruh, if anyone of the Dunk Participants last night did the dunks they were doing in the 80s they would not miss.

How could that fact be lost on someone?

The dunks these dudes are trying these days are damn near impossible to heat on the first try.


Nothing can "wow" anymore with the dunk contest and these guys try and yall continue to complain

barkley was right.

nikkas today are too scared to compete.

Scared to compete? What does this mean?

i dont think it's sourness as much as wanting the game to be better or like it was when they played. the flopping, and whining is embarrassing now days. these new cats are soft for the most part but the game is softer also. when the last time nikkas got to scrappin? there aren't hard fouls, no one protects the paint like that anymore.
and last night these dudes missing dunk after dunk looks bad for the league. and who are these dudes. they don't even average a dunk a game but yet you in the dunk contest it's god awful TV. i wasnt even watching cause youre better off waiting for the replay it'll save you a good 2 mins. Chuck clownin has been the highlight of the past couple dunk contest.

Why are you blaming the players instead of the rules for this?