How does Drake get credit for "making hit records" when he doesn't write or produce?

[10bandz]

Nelly was on Ebro and said any artist that is a super star and has numerous hits and prolonged success on the charts needs help from writers.. He pretty much admitted that obtaining success in pop music and having staying power is impossible for anyone to do on their own..

You wanna know which artists used the most "help"? Its the ones with the biggest houses with the most awards on the shelf..

It's kinda refreshing that he concedes the concept of being a "genius" is an illusion in pop music.. You're only as good as what you're willing to pay for.. You don't make luck as an artist, you purchase it..

Well if Nelly is open about it thats cool.. Drake needs to be open about it as well

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Excuse me?

I remember that she won all them grammys and didnt give credit to the writers or some shyt settled in court for like 5 mill or so
Inside 'The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill'

 

[Insensitive]

Being a "real emcee" means nothing in 2015.. When Pharell talks about the concept of "New Blacks" there is also an entity that can be described as "New Rap".. Drake is the leader and king if this genre..

The rules are being rewritten ever day.. We just have to accept that the genre has evolved to something that's unrecognizable to the purists..

I just hate when people are lazy and refuse to break things down in specific categories...

Like Drake, Pac and Rakim all talk over beats so they are running the same race... Naw breh, there are levels to this hip hop sh1t.. You can respect everyone for doing well in their own lane without just clumsily lumping them together..

I hate lazy comparisons and broad generalizations more than anything..

I don't agree with this stance.
Drake having ghost writers does not mean the vast majority of currently popular rappers are engaging in ghost writing .

All of his peers as far as I know, write their own songs and lyrics.
J. Cole takes pride in producing his records from top to bottom (not all of them but most of them..)
Kendrick Lamar takes pride in having an active hand driving the directions of his songs, even though he
isn't well versed in theory like Terrace martin or Thundercat, he's still a word smith and comes up
with the concepts and such.
Meek Mill, Wale, Lupe, B.o.B. and others all stress or have stressed that these are their lyrics
and by extension their songs.

And on much smaller scale projects dudes like Oddisee, Hopsin, Tech N9ne etc.
Handle the vast majority of the song writing duties and in Oddisee or Hopsin's case they handle
production as well !

Drake's ghost writing exposure might set a new precedent but as of right now, it's not a normal
thing at all and I think you'd agree on that.

 

[OG Talk]

Well if Nelly is open about it thats cool.. Drake needs to be open about it as well

What Drake is doing right now is working to perfection.. It's like a politician that lies but still wins an election by a landslide..What does he have to gain by telling the truth to 10% of the population who will never support his product anyway?

 

[Paper Boi]

 

[OG Talk]

I don't agree with this stance.
Drake having ghost writers does not mean the vast majority of currently popular rappers are engaging in ghost writing .

All of his peers as far as I know, write their own songs and lyrics.
J. Cole takes pride in producing his records from top to bottom (not all of them but most of them..)
Kendrick Lamar takes pride in having an active hand driving the directions of his songs, even though he
isn't well versed in theory like Terrace martin or Thundercat, he's still a word smith and comes up
with the concepts and such.
Meek Mill, Wale, Lupe, B.o.B. and others all stress or have stressed that these are their lyrics
and by extension their songs.

And on much smaller scale projects dudes like Oddisee, Hopsin, Tech N9ne etc.
Handle the vast majority of the song writing duties and in Oddisee or Hopsin's case they handle
production as well !

Drake's ghost writing exposure might set a new precedent but as of right now, it's not a normal
thing at all and I think you'd agree on that.

All the dudes you name are great and props for their artistic integrity..But none of them have Drake's success and fan base...

I think the most popular and decorated rappers (Kanye, Nicki, Drake) all have fan bases that don't care if they write or not..

That's why I say it doesn't matter because the masses have spoken...And nobody with any credibility is willing to speak out against it...

But of course there are still rappers that take ultimate pride in their pen... I agree with that..It's just not something that the majority of fans appreciate...

 

[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

So you're just a casual fan.. Which is cool..But why do all you casual fans always forget that The Coli is a hip hop message board?

There are people here who actually love and care about the culture deeply.. I'm not gonna front like I'm one of them, but I'm not gonna question or condemn the ones that do..

If you want to be surrounded by the opinions of people who don't care, there's no shortage of options for you on the internet...

It's like going to a Nascar site and saying "Why yall always talking about engine parts and pit crews? I just like to see pretty cars go fast. Yall over thinking sh1t"

No I'm not a casual fan.

I just listen to Drake differently than to I listen Wutang

 

[Keep_It_Hip_Hop_Fam]

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

He wrote for Rita Ora , Beyoncé , Alicia keys Jamie foxx ... Should I go on

So he can write R&B but he write raps. And that's even if he didnt get his ghostwriters to write them joints

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Actors are not MCs.

Hip Hop is not the movie business.

That analogy is horrible and really needs to stop being used by Drake stans. It's pathetic at best.

 

[OG Talk]

No I'm not a casual fan.

I just listen to Drake differently than to I listen Wutang

Me too

But you do realize that there are people that compare and rank Drake in the same context as Ghostface? And if conversations like that never occurred NONE of this would be an issue here?

 

[Insensitive]

All the dudes you name are great and props for their artistic integrity..But none of them have Drake's success and fan base...

I think the most popular and decorated rappers (Kanye, Nicki, Drake) all have fan bases that don't care if they write or not..

That's why I say it doesn't matter because the masses have spoken...And nobody with any credibility is willing to speak out against it...

But of course there are still rappers that take ultimate pride in their pen... I agree with that..It's just not something that the majority of fans appreciate...

Honestly I think once you're at that level, no matter the genre of music you make
the general populace tends to not care to much about the "artist" and focuses more on their
(the artist's) product.
In metal or punk or independent pop music, a lot of musicians are writing and/or
producing their own records. So their pen is respected but once they're huge in
the popular sense as in they have millions of casual fans, then those people are less
likely to care about the skill of that musician.

So in some ways I do agree at that level the average person won't care but at the same time I do feel
that Hip Hop alongside other "culture" based genres tends to respect the individual artist more than
a casual listener that picks up most of their music from the radio.

 

[Keep_It_Hip_Hop_Fam]

Maino also addressed ghostwriting in Hip Hop. He suggested performers that employ others to write their lyrics should not be held in the same regard as the greatest artists of the culture. In addition, Maino drew a difference between music acts the public has always known did not write their lyrics, such as Dr. Dre and Puff Daddy, and rap stars that claim to be the best in the game.

“It’s different when you’re basically saying, ‘I’m that dude.’ I may care, but I don’t think the vast general public cares,” stated Maino. “All the people we put up on that pedestal – Pac, Big, Nas, Hov, Kiss – all those dudes are like our rap gods. All of them wrote. So is it safe to say we put a dude up there that may be questionable? I love the music. But is he one of the greats?”

Maino Explains Why He Defended Meek Mill Against A New York City Crowd (VIDEO)

 

[10bandz]

What Drake is doing right now is working to perfection.. It's like a politician that lies but still wins an election by a landslide..What does he have to gain by telling the truth to 10% of the population who will never support his product anyway?

Nah u right. Drake dont gotta say shyt unless he's pressed to do so. nikkas just wish people with credibility in the game or his fans would press him about it. U can still be a fan of his and still not like his fraudulence. But people just wanna excuse or rationalize the fraud shyt altogether

 

[OG Talk]

Nah u right. Drake dont gotta say shyt unless he's pressed to do so. nikkas just wish people with credibility in the game or his fans would press him about it. U can still be a fan of his and still not like his fraudulence. But people just wanna excuse or rationalize the fraud shyt altogether

He's just fortunate that the only one with the dumb blind courage to put him on blast was someone with such a marginal skill set and mind as Meek...I mean Kendrick tap danced around it but didn't mention him by name... But Meek was the perfect sacrificial lamb...After people saw how the public turned against him, nobody with anything to lose will go against the machine..Drake is on easy street now... He Golden State Warrior'd his way to a title against an unprepared, wounded and inferior opponent.. You can never take his ring away now...