How does Drake get credit for "making hit records" when he doesn't write or produce?

[Black Magisterialness]

Dr. Dre is a PRODUCER. Everyone knew Dre didn't write since the 80's Eazy E didn't write neither.. E didn't even want to be a rapper. He wanted to stay behind the scenes.

Kanye... really? Again. he's more known as a producer and now he shoes. As far as being lyrical, hell fukking know. Not to mention Ye admits to it. Aubrey hasn't addressed NONE of this. He's letting his stans fight his battles for him.

No excuse, because someone is a producer. So Dre gets a pass and so does Kanye but not this nikka? So if Drake was a producer/rapper these allegations would be less effective?

I'm just trying to understand here. I mean I hate the ghostwriting shyt too....BUT i hate it everywhere...I don't just pick and choose. Because its sounding like a buncha salt to be honest and not any real love for the craft.

"bu..bu...bu.... he got ghostwriters"

The cats on here who were trashing Kanye for having ppl writing for him are the people i'll listen to.

 

[JustCKing]

Dr. Dre is a PRODUCER. Everyone knew Dre didn't write since the 80's Eazy E didn't write neither.. E didn't even want to be a rapper. He wanted to stay behind the scenes.

Kanye... really? Again. he's more known as a producer and now he shoes. As far as being lyrical, hell fukking know. Not to mention Ye admits to it. Aubrey hasn't addressed NONE of this. He's letting his stans fight his battles for him.

Kanye claimed he was Top 5. Nas acknowledged him as lyrical. Yet, The Coli wants to overlook it. Kanye is the same guy who said he takes his lyrics and compares them to Illmatic to see if they measure up. This is the same Kanye who has stans who have put him up there with the GOATs. And NO, Kanye didn't admit to using writers until AFTER it was revealed who C. Smith was.

 

[SunZoo]

No excuse, because someone is a producer. So Dre gets a pass and so does Kanye but not this nikka? So if Drake was a producer/rapper these allegations would be less effective?

I'm just trying to understand here. I mean I hate the ghostwriting shyt too....BUT i hate it everywhere...I don't just pick and choose. Because its sounding like a buncha salt to be honest and not any real love for the craft.

"bu..bu...bu.... he got ghostwriters"

The cats on here who were trashing Kanye for having ppl writing for him are the people i'll listen to.

Plenty of people shyt on Kanye for that, he just isn't in the news cycle, nor did he get exposed this blatantly.

Secondly, Drake and his fans were actively campaigning for him to hold some kinda weight lyrically. "I can tell you not a rapper!" on a song he didn't write...this nikka is on sprite billboards with Rakim, they are printing his (and whoever else's) scribes on soda cans...people comparing him to Puff or Dre are missing the point. Neither of them nikkas ever declared supremacy over their peers on some MC shyt. nikkas let Will Smith do his thing because he never tried to veer over into Jay/Nas' lane as genre defining lyricists. He made his jingles, got his money and people still loved him for who/what he is.

For all intents and purposes, Drake's position in the game is allowing him to define this era, the nikka coming up behind him now can openly say "I'm too busy to rap", have a whole team of puppeteers, show up, do his method acting and not only reap the monetary rewards and accolades but be put on MT Rushmoore with nikkas that were actually true to the craft.

Vanilla Ice was actually doing his thing before he got signed, got put in the game and got the pop star manufacturing and sold a shyt ton of records....he was rivaling MC Hammer at one point. All that shyt came to an end once it came out he wasn't writing his shyt. Had these cultural "checks and balances" not been in place he would have dominated the game for years to come.

 

[Henri Christophe]

[QUOTE="kdthe1ne, post: 14769113, member: 4087"]id like to see a good album that has one person listed as the writer in the credits

even illmatic has multiple people listed as writers[/QUOTE]

Off the top of my head..Dirty Sprite 2.

Pretty sure you'll only find Future, the features, and the producer.

But I'm pretty sure thats not the only rap album that exists where the rapper actually... rapped his own shyt

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Kanye claimed he was Top 5. Nas acknowledged him as lyrical. Yet, The Coli wants to overlook it. Kanye is the same guy who said he takes his lyrics and compares them to Illmatic to see if they measure up. This is the same Kanye who has stans who have put him up there with the GOATs. And NO, Kanye didn't admit to using writers until AFTER it was revealed who C. Smith was.

Kanye west ain't NEVER been lyrical. Kanye West has always been a novelty act. Yall keep cherry picking marginal rappers and comparing them to Aubrey and it's only making shyt worse. Drake is a pop artist plain and simple. He's anti hip hop and everything it stands for. He's a culture vulture. And yeah he's successful and I'm not mad at him but stop trying to make him into something he's not.

 

[Henri Christophe]

He's a supporter at best in the process of hit records...but there is something to be said for showmanship(not everyone can perform in front of millions), and he does have some musical attributes or else he wouldn't have lasted at all...still, reciting the lyrics of another potential artist and just repeating there flow is offering NO CREATIVITY toward the project, his role is more or less that of an instrument, simply making the pleasant noise that's entering your ear, but nothing more.

If you like the Drake instrument cool...some people like the sax or the drums ...but an MC never allows his or herself to simply be an instrument, they must fill a creative role at all times in there projects, many times being so manic about them that they write all the material...hooks and all. Drake allows himself to be an instrument at times...that can never be an MC to me

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

The topic is the if the music is great I will listen and enjoy

Why do I need to worry about who's an Mc or any of that irrelevant shyt

why are you on the hip hop portion of the message board then?
@houston911 I think we should move all drake posts to the lounge, where they belong...he belongs there.
Why? He doesn't write the majority of his music. Singers don't, either.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

When you read the credits, it's clear that others were credited as writers and producers. I'm going to read that article, because there's names in the booklet that specifically have co-writing credits. I'm not sure if they got co-production credits, but they got credited as musicians:

The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

those names weren't in the booklet originally, wikipedia was made years after that album.

 

[Wiles]

Snoop has never tried to hide that he's used writers, I even remember an interview he did saying he used writers to help give nikkas a break into the business

But he's still a highly respected MC by the OG's in hip hop, not by cacs and new blacks

My nikka i agree I was trying to prove a point my g and u said it better then I could.

 

[the cac mamba]

:draketales:

 

[Sccit]

SAME AS MJ

 

[JustCKing]

those names weren't in the booklet originally, wikipedia was made years after that album.

Those names appear in the booklet underneath the songs they worked on. Some appear as co-writers. Others appear as musicians. They have symbols by them and the legend explains their contribution to each song. Whoever created the Wiki page got their information from the booklet.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Theres DOZENS of reference tracks for drake

They will never come out because he has the money to pay people to keep quiet

THAT is how you judge a rapper...

Having money to make sh*t happen = hip hop

Writing your own lyrics in a studio apartment = bum sh*t

You killin me breh

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Those names appear in the booklet underneath the songs they worked on. Some appear as co-writers. Others appear as musicians. They have symbols by them and the legend explains their contribution to each song. Whoever created the Wiki page got their information from the booklet.

I'm talking about the original booklet from the original album release. Not a re-issue...Not a digital booklet, not a wiki article. She took 100% credit for all the songs, fam. The people writing for her didn't have their own publishing at the time.

 

[JustCKing]

Kanye west ain't NEVER been lyrical. Kanye West has always been a novelty act. Yall keep cherry picking marginal rappers and comparing them to Aubrey and it's only making shyt worse. Drake is a pop artist plain and simple. He's anti hip hop and everything it stands for. He's a culture vulture. And yeah he's successful and I'm not mad at him but stop trying to make him into something he's not.

Drake has NEVER been lyrical either, but he's being discussed as if he were. That's still beside the point. You have a credible lyricist saying that Kanye's lyrical. Kanye is far from a novelty act. Novelty acts don't have a decades worth of success. Novelty acts fade.

Nobody's cherry picking anything. If anything it's Drake's detractors who cherry picking. One day, Drake's a soft, commercial Pop artist. The next, he's a revered lyricist who was outed for having writers. It's like people pick and choose what Drake is based on whatever suits the agenda for the day. If Drake is a Pop artist, him having ghostwriters should be a non-issue because that's what many Pop artist do. If he's the antithesis of Hip Hop, then we shouldn't be wasting our time discussing him. If he's a culture vulture, why does anything he make hold any cultural significance or relevance.

You claim not to be mad, but your words say otherwise. If anyone's making him into something he's not it's the people who put all these labels on him.