How does that fax machine work again? The 2016 National Signing Day Thread

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When you have to compete against it, and don't have the talent, it gets ugly:huhldup: That's what a lot of teams are facing when they play Alabama right now. LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss recently have been the only ones to compete, beat sometimes, against them in the SEC since 2010.
FSU vs Bama 2017. :wow:
 

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@NYC Rebel @jadillac I found an article from 2012 that explains why OU doesn't recruit Texas anymore:

Do We Even Recruit Against The Sooners Anymore? Checking In On OU Recruiting.

By Scipio Tex on May 25, 2012, 5:47p

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Why is this man staring West?

Watching the head-to-head recruiting battles between OU and Texas that has bitterly defined the Texas-OU rivalry since the 1950s, evolve into the strange, almost parallel, recruiting universe of today has been interesting.

In 2012, the Sooners signed only 5 of their 26 players from the state of Texas (19.2%, they signed as many Californians as Texans) while the previous ten years boasted a 46% Texas sign rate (107 out of 233, compiled using Rivals.com). The near term trend between 2008-2011 was even more pronounced with 56% of their signees hailing from the Lone Star State.

Though 2012 may simply represent a one year outlier, in 2013, Texas finds itself competing more with SEC schools for the finishing touches on its recruiting haul than against our primary rival and Big 12 hegemon. In a Big 12 that can be defined post-Osborne as an extended contest between Texas and Oklahoma (with Oklahoma winning), and the Texas program coming off of two relatively disastrous years, it's a curious circumstance that OU is going national.

What is going on? Why is OU in (seeming) Texas recruiting retreat?



They may not be. It's just that our battles are over before they start. Kent Perkins, Darius James, A'Shawn Robinson - seemingly the top 3 Texas OL on OU's recruiting board - wrapped up their recruitments 10 to 11 months from Signing Day. The pattern was more or less the same: OU offer or junior day visit, recruit says nice things about OU, followed by Texas offer or junior day, then Texas commitment. With respect to OL specifically, Texas now values many of the same attributes that OU does, and that's bad news for Bob. I'd bet that in 2007, at least 2 of those 3 end up as Sooners and that has a lot to do with...

New staff at Texas. An evaluation change at Texas began with Muschamp on defense and, to a much lesser extent Applewhite's lobbying as a junior member of the offensive staff, but now we boast an entire staff more willing to work to find - and define correctly - desired player attributes. Previous staffs didn't and Texas fans believed the hype when pay-sites, in pandering complicity, pared the known universe of good players in-state to Players Texas Is Interested In. Before that, OU was getting a lot of the players that they wanted that we didn't particularly value. Probably at TCU's expense. Specifically, this staff now evaluates OL and Athlete ballas much differently than previous regimes.

Beyond OU's inability (or lack of interest) in recruiting Texas in 2012, they did sign Texas players in abundance in 2010 and 2011, but many were lower on OU's evaluation boards or laden with more baggage. Not just in the stilted opinion of Texas fans or coaches, but, more crucially, in the opinion of OU's coaches. See their current Wide Re-Divas.

Failure to capitalize on 2010-2011.While Texas went 13-12 and saw an actual program implosion, OU went 22-5 and claimed another Big 12 title. During the same time, DFW - a traditional Sooner outpost - boasted an inordinate amount of contested talent, and a good deal of that talent favored OU early. Though OU landed players like Daryl Williams, Corey Nelson, and Joe Powell, Texas dominated the DFW head-to-heads for players like Adrian Phillips, Jackson Jeffcoat, Mike Davis,Taylor Bible (ugh), Aaron Benson, Tevin Jackson, John Harris, Reggie Wilson; not to mention other battles in Houston and East Texas.

OU outperforming Texas on the field and in the Red River Shootout can't continue indefinitely without consequence (see early 2000s and Adrian Peterson's "business decision"), but it demonstrates the amazing grip that Texas exerts on the psyche of Texas athletes that grew up watching Longhorn teams between 2004-2009.

Positional Need/System. OU's current 2013 class is small, and so far very promising, but doesn't feature a head-to-head "win" against Texas. That's no slight against OU's signees: 3 of OU's 8 verbal commitments hail from Texas, and that includes what I consider to be the best conventional QB in Texas (Cody Thomas, acquired from Petrino's Arkansas wreckage) and the state's best RB (Keith Ford). Texas went for the state's best dual threat QB and our depth chart at RB isn't exactly appealing, so there are times when we simply don't overlap on elite players. Similarly, OU has historically been more willing to gamble with respect to grades or character concerns and that allows a pool of athletes we're less likely to dip into.

But caution: The Iron Law of shytheads always wins. Achieve a critical mass of them on your roster such that they define your culture, and your program goes in the toilet. Urban Meyer thinks I have a point.

General popularity. OU isn't as frequently represented as the favored alternative to Texas. Increasingly, we see elite Texas recruits listing LSU, Alabama, Oregon, Florida as their preferred out-of-state alternatives. Or, in-state, Baylor and A&M. I have no idea why. Is it because of the rumors that OU isn't much fun right now? Or is it simply college football trendiness? I have little doubt that a monster season from the Sooners is all that's needed to alter sentiment, but right now, Texas spends as much time sweating LSU as it does OU. We can't compete with OU if the recruit doesn't consider them to begin with. Which explains OU's 2012/2013 strategy even more.

Conclusion

There's nothing magical about Texas talent per se, but there's a lot of it, and OU doesn't have a great history of winning without it. They can certainly win with a national recruiting model, but OU's previous flirtations with that paradigm under Stoops met with uneven results and an inordinate amount of busts from recruiting off of lists instead of properly kicking tires. Maybe the Sooners are putting in the time and building the connections necessary to do better due diligence on OOS talent, but that proof will be in the pudding they used to feed Mark Mangino.

Thoughts?


Link: Do We Even Recruit Against The Sooners Anymore? Checking In On OU Recruiting.








TLDR version from a poster on the ShaggyTexas forum:
Basically, we pushed them out of competition with the blue chippers between 2007 and 2010. Then Baylor got a lot better at evaluating talent and were sniping off guys Oklahoma used to get at with no competition from Mack. Then TCU got the Big XII invite and started getting under the radar guys that used to go to Oklahoma. Then aggy opened the door for the SECSEC. During our Mack Brown slide our position of need wasn't lining up with their position of need so we didn't notice or care when they got Texas kids because we were already full at their position. Finally, Oklahoma may have seen the SECSEC writing on the wall and decided they'd rather go national and try to pick off Notre Dame and Penn State than go ten rounds with Alabama and LSU.
 

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@NYC Rebel @jadillac I found an article from 2012 that explains why OU doesn't recruit Texas anymore:










TLDR version from a poster on the ShaggyTexas forum:

this is partly conjecture.

We never got players, "easily" from Texas. UT always had top recruiting clases over OU. Even when y'all were getting Vince Young, we got the secondary guy, Paul Thompson. I will say TCU/Baylor has indeed interfered with our recruiting somewhat, but at the same time, we've always recruited out west. Roy Williams? DeMarco Murray?

Much of our coaching staff now has west coast ties, our DLine coach is from Stanford, Mike Stoops was at Az, one DB coach played at UCLA, LB coach from Az, WR coach from Wash. St. etc

Our recruiting is alot more based around that now b/c those guys have relationships in those parts of the coiuntry. the QB we signed yesterday was from NC, which is territory Lincoln Riley recruited at ECU. We got a RB from that way too.

I'm honestly not too upset b/c Texas high school football isn't what it once was and it's clear the kids from SEC country and other areas are winning the titles now. :manny:
 

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lets look at EVERY team that has beat bama since 08. ^ = neutral, # = road, ! = home
08 - florida^ , utah^
10 - south carolina#, LSU#, Auburn!
11 - LSU! [and avenged swiftly]
12 - aTm!
13 - auburn#, Oklahoma^
14 - ole miss#, ohio^
15 - ole miss!

so i see 3 catagories:
conference games they don't rally up for: Ole piss, south carolina, that treat alabama as the superbowl x 10
teams that are legit as talented or more talented than they are - all of the auburn losses, oklahoma, the lsu losses, ohio and florida
teams that they weren't properly prepared for because the teams were honestly exotic or weird - utah, aTm

the second group is the most interesting to me. Urban Meyer can simply outcoach Nick Saban...not always but he CAN. And auburn and LSU are REGUARLY 'nearly' as talented as alabama and sometimes more...they VERY RARELY...face ANY team that is as talented as them...when they do its damn near a tossup.

i can't see this trend changing. Looking at 2016, based on this analysis the only games i'd think they have a chance of losing are @ TN [group 1], @ LSU, @ ole miss. I bet they lose exactly one of those games, probably LSU if they chance OCs.
 
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