How does the coli feel about Swedish cacs creating algorithms to create hit songs.

[Oceanicpuppy]

Cac's don't even believe that shyt themselves two of their Guitar God's are black and one is half black. They lie to keep us thinking that shyt. But i've never been to a guitar center to buy equipment and not seen a shrine to Jimi Hendrix.

Much of the pop music today is using these Swedish guys formulas. They are pushing that narrative.

 

[Yehuda]

I think that's the point of pop music, muthaphuckas are just trying to get a hit record they ain't worried about sounding natural or organic.

 

[Poitier]

Werd nikkas think it was just natural ability when thats like 5% of whats necessary. They all worked really fukking hard like every day to make their music. Like an athlete or a smart person if u dont work at it then natural ability doesnt mean anything.

The idea that Black people are "naturally talented idiots" who don't have to put in work to hone their craft is literally one of White supremacies oldest stereotypes.

 

[Neuromancer]

Much of the pop music today is using these Swedish guys formulas. They are pushing that narrative.

Yes but they are well aware of who.actually drives creativity.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Does this explain why DJ Mustard has been making the exact same beat for the last four years?

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

Werd nikkas think it was just natural ability when thats like 5% of whats necessary. They all worked really fukking hard like every day to make their music. Like an athlete or a smart person if u dont work at it then natural ability doesnt mean anything.

No we talking about predicting a "hit" with math. Even in the end of the video they did a study and that showed it is currently unpredictable.

 

[concise]

It is math but I don't think a computer can make good music. Im talking about the process of making it and Predicting what is "hit" music, Which is what the thread is about. It can't not be done on a computer.

No, now you're backtracking. You tried insinuate that black music has no rules whatsoever and that music without rules is the greatest form of music. You inviting little kids over to your home to smash random keys and sing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat"?

 

[dennis roadman]

This is advanced science of what has been happening for years

Hit songs are not accidents, stop being naive

Motown Sound (formulaic; consistency of musical style):

• lead singer with vocal backup
• strong professional orchestration (strings, brass, sax, keys, & percussion)
• beat is always strong with a heavy backbeat, often reinforced by handclaps
• used bari sax to double bass & provide solos
• predictable harmonic modulation 3/4 through the song
• no real improvisation or deviation from the predetermined arrangement

When Berry Gordy put up the sign "Hitsville USA" on his house in 1959 and turned his garage into a studio, his newly started label had yet to have any actual hits. But having worked on the assembly line at the city's Ford factory, he was convinced he could create an assembly line for music. Actually, it turned out to be more collaborative than a standard factory. The day would start with a 9am "quality control" meeting, in which songwriters and producers (sometimes they'd be one and the same) would listen to each other's songs and critique them. Then they'd vote – if the song got an A+ it would get released, anything else and it went in the vault. If you arrived at 9.01am, you wouldn't get in, says Smokey Robinson, and had to wait until the next meeting to get a chance to get your song cut.

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Often they'd try out the same song with different singers and arrangements. Gladys Knight and the Pips' Everybody Needs Love, for example, was originally recorded with the Velvelettes on vocals. Meanwhile the studio was never empty – someone was always recording. As we discovered at the Metropolis event, those recording sessions were different from how we record today. First of all, they only had three tracks at their disposal. The first track was used for drums and bass. All the other instruments went on the second track and the third track was used for vocals. (Compare this to today's digital recordings, which provide unlimited amounts of tracks so that often the musicians involved never even meet each other.)

Rapid Prototyping and Making Hits
Motown was a hit factory because it was an idea factory. Songwriters prototyped 5 ideas a day, and their best 5 a week were narrowed down to 2. One of those would likely make it through the whole recording process and into Quality Control. Motown threw away 24 songs and 14 mixes for every song they voted on.

Though the leading artists would change from session to session, the backing band for almost every Motown song was The Funk Brothers. Stax Records in Memphis had a similar backing group in Booker T. and the M.G.’s. The songwriters, band, and engineers worked together every day.

Their process ensured that the best ideas were developed, but the practiced musicians and engineers are why iteration could happen quickly. William “Mickey” Stevenson said of the Quality Control sessions “We’d end up with two great songs, sometimes three. We’d pick out the one to go out, and then we’d have other songs ready to go, so we…never ran out of (hits).”

Hiring the best talent is one takeaway from Motown’s success. There are lessons in prototyping as well:

• Use techniques and tools everybody knows. The Motown composition style used chords often similar from song to song. The band arranged tunes on the fly because they all knew the musical formula. Thoughtbot created a Ruby Gem named suspenders to create new Rails projects. They can spin up a new app and deploy it to Heroku in minutes (if not seconds), and because they all use the same Gem everybody at the company is instantly familiar with the libraries being used. Pick one tool for mocks and stick with it. Encourage everybody to learn it.
• Practice or automate time-consuming stuff. Generating 5 songs a day gave Motown’s writers amazing practice. Building up a product team that can churn through ideas means more possible hits. On the tech and prototyping side, try to automate server and even workstations configuration as much as possible (DevOps is all about this).
• If it doesn‘t exist yet, don‘t be afraid to build it. The Motown producers were famous for using new techniques and sounds in recordings (snow chains, stomping, a tire). The engineers were building new audio gear from scratch to get just the right sound. Don‘t limit yourself to the tools available, go beyond them where you need to.
• Rapid iteration makes tough reviews even more important. Your goal is to find the best ideas. To do that you will need to throw away lots of good ideas. Stevenson saids the flip side of this is that you always have good ideas waiting in the wings, in case you can’t find a great one.

One of the most interesting parts so far is reading about how Stax songwriters analyzed Motown songs and then used the formulas they discovered to churn out their own hits.


“David Porter figured out the lyric structure for ‘Don’t Look Back‘ and it applied to a number of Motown hits. He deduced that they all had an opening that laid out the scenario, followed that with a bit of action, and then some sort of denouncement. All were in first person, and none of them ended with complete resolution.” (page 91)

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

It seems Like they are trying crack some music code through math and out phase people from music. Eventually people making music organically will be unheard of. Everyone's "music" will be made by a computer.

As a producer I feel insulted by this what we do is a completely different thing to what a musician does. I still need to understand music theory not like I open up fruity loop studios and press random stuff and hope something sticks

 

[MikeyC]

I made a thread about this last year

this book breaks it all down:

Link?

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Daft Punk are French by the way.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

As a producer I feel insulted by this what we do is a completely different thing to what a musician does. I still need to understand music theory not like I open up fruity loop studios and press random stuff and hope something sticks

That's what most rap beatmakers do.

 

[AlainLocke]

Cacs been doing this since 2003

Hit Song Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

That's what most rap beatmakers do.

Levels to this shyt mane. A nikka like mustard IS NOT on the same level with a nikka like xaytoven or Scott storch

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Levels to this shyt mane. A nikka like mustard IS NOT on the same level with a nikka like xaytoven or Scott storch

Those are professionals. I was referring to up and comers.