How does the coli feel about Swedish cacs creating algorithms to create hit songs.

[Oceanicpuppy]

people not buying music doesn't mean they're not listening. it means it's a lot easier to listen for free today.. that's something a hitmaking formula can't account for, nor is it meant to.

if the music that is bought is largely made by a group of people who follow a formula, how is it failing? they're just getting a piece of a smaller pie, but still the biggest piece.

They aren't buying because they like it they buying it because they heard it a thousands on multiple media platforms. I agree it easier to get but that is just one variable to why it is failing.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

The film industry starting to do the same thing
That's how Netflix creates its programming

Big blockbusters are not as big either. These mfs need to go back to the drawling board. Clearly they don't know what they are doing.

 

[dennis roadman]

They aren't buying because they like it they buying it because they heard it a thousands on multiple media platforms. I agree it easier to get but that is just one variable to why it is failing.

the bolded is the reason this particular formula exists. to say it's failing in the next sentence is contradictory

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

the bolded is the reason this particular formula exists. to say it's failing in the next sentence is contradictory

It's failing because they have not found a method to get people to pay for music like yesteryear, thus it is failing. The people are not buying music like they use to because they are not emotionally invested in the product they are selling. Radio is a free media platform but besides talk radio listening to music on your top 40 radio station is almost unheard of nowadays. If it was music the people wanted to hear then so called radio wouldn't be a dying platform. It's free listening like you said then why are masses not gravitating to it?

 

[dennis roadman]

It's failing because they have not found a method to get people to pay for music like yesteryear, thus it is failing. The people are not buying music like they use to because they are not emotional invested in the product they are selling. Radio is a free media platform but besides talk radio listening to music on your top 40 radio station is almost unheard of nowadays. If it was music the people wanted to hear then so called radio wouldn't be a dying platform. It's free listening like you said then why are masses not gravitating to it?

dubious assertions aside, have you checked the top streaming sites? how many of those hits are made according to this method, often by the people referenced in the books and videos cited in this thread?

why are you talking about radio if it's a dying platform, since that means it's not an appropriate standard to use in this conversation? again, this formula doesn't account for humans preferring personal choice over a radio station manager's hourly selections.

your whole point seems to be that this creates really bad music, and im not arguing with you. but beyond that subjective and really kind of ephemeral point, you're not making much sense

if NOBODY is selling units like before, then EVERYONE is making less money

but THESE SONGS are making the MOST MONEY POSSIBLE

so whether we enjoy it or not, it's working. do you think the record labels would keep paying these non marketable swedes if it weren't working? they cut bait quickly and without remorse.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

dubious assertions aside, have you checked the top streaming sites? how many of those hits are made according to this method, often by the people referenced in the books and videos cited in this thread?

why are you talking about radio if it's a dying platform, since that means it's not an appropriate standard to use in this conversation? again, this formula doesn't account for humans preferring personal choice over a radio station manager's hourly selections.

your whole point seems to be that this creates really bad music, and im not arguing with you. but beyond that subjective and really kind of ephemeral point, you're not making much sense

if NOBODY is selling units like before, then EVERYONE is making less money

but THESE SONGS are making the MOST MONEY POSSIBLE

so whether we enjoy it or not, it's working. do you think the record labels would keep paying these non marketable swedes if it weren't working? they cut bait quickly and without remorse.

It's making bad music yet its sole purpose is to make music the masses like. Thus its a failure being hyped like its a success. there whole aim to to make hits. If it's music people don't like how is it a true "hit"? Like I said the reason it selling is because it being pushed to the public not because the public moves toward it organically. You are acting like the consumers are robots but they are not. They are humans no matter how sheepish people tend to be.

 

[Ol’Otis]

Big blockbusters are not as big either. These mfs need to go back to the drawling board. Clearly they don't know what they are doing.

Hollywood and The music are cash first industries they only care about the dollar

But I am seeing a decline in both

 

[010101]

pop is whatever they play the most*

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

Hollywood and The music are cash first industries they only care about the dollar

But I am seeing a decline in both

Hollywood and The music are cash first industries they only care about the dollar

But I am seeing a decline in both

Yes I think some posters put to much faith in science and technology. Something thats proven to have wrong conclusions over centuries. They think because science says right now it's the "correct" that it means it is.

 

[dennis roadman]

It's making bad music yet its sole purpose is to make music the the masses like. Thus its a failure being hyped like its a success. there whole aim to to make hits. If it's music people don't like how is it a true "hit". Like I said the reason it selling is because it being pushed to the public not because the public moves toward it organically. You are acting like the consumers are robots but they are not. They are humans no matter how sheepish people ten to be.

i'm sure you understand the difference between objective and subjective measures.

plenty of people like these songs. whether that's because they have bad taste, are beaten into submission by repetition (by the radio ), these are all viable reasons for liking music.

when has the public ever moved towards something organically on a mass scale? do you think the british invasion was caused by anything other than record executives saying "these bands are moving 45s at an incredible clip in the UK, what if we put them on TV and in record stores in a country that's 5 times the size? "

you have a really romantic perspective on how music, and maybe art in general, becomes popular.

do you think "the public" would have gravitated towards famous renaissance artists if not for wealthy patrons allowing them to work on art all day and build a brand, to speak anachronistically?

 

[CrimsonTider]

Of course, they were called "The Hit Factory" for a reason it wasn't a secret they had in house everything.

but Motown was different in that they still went out and found the best singers and songwriters, their artists could still perform live music

Motown was also limited to just motown - they weren't spreading their "formula" throughout the entire industry. white artists couldn't just run up in their
studios and get a hit...that's for damn sure what's happening now.





- nah i bought my copy; pretty sure you can google and find it though



it's not. if consumers knew that only a handful of people were all working with Miley, Britney, Beyonce, The Weeknd, Beiber, Rihanna, Katy Perry; album and ticket sales would dwindle. They'd still be successful (because the masses are sheep), but not to the extent they are now.

These facts would not effect ticket sales

Music listeners don't care how the sausage is made, they just care how the music makes them feel

This being viewed as negative is reserved for music snobs

 

[Yehuda]

you said it all right there...in that book i posted it credits this song right here for changing the whole industry:



^^^ the cats behind this song said exactly what you just did, lyrics, instruments, trying to overthink music and being "artsy" is bullshyt

just give people a dance track and a catchy hook; the label even said the hook was stupid and it is, because they didn't understand english - they were using the word "baby" like how we all our spouses "baby", they just didn't understand the context...

the success of this song (not the band) raised MANY eyebrows in the music industry and it's the formula they use today.

I used to hate this song lmfao. "The Sign" was my shyt, though, I can't front.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

The song is Trash and her vocals are trash. Sounds like she is singing through her nose and holding her breath. This why the music today sounds terrible.

all true, but the song was a hit though.

it was the 90's so the music industry would've been fine w/o this track

now, with nothing really exciting going on in music they need to stick to a winning pop formula

i'm not saying this is the same as motown, nor that i like most big pop music today but it's the next logical step in an industry that has grown significantly since motown days. the formula they used was to make big songs, the great music that came out of it was a bonus, and is what's missing today

and you know that gordy wasn't the last black producer to make formulaic music. black artists have profited off of this too

if anything this speaks to neuropsychology and branding more than it does quality of music.

you didn't really see this formula in the 80's and 90's though

you started to really see it with Lou Pearlman and his boy bands (nsync, backstreet boys)

rest of the industry followed suit...but the popularity of hip hop and grunge was 100% organic, nothing manufactured there.

These facts would not effect ticket sales

Music listeners don't care how the sausage is made, they just care how the music makes them feel

This being viewed as negative is reserved for music snobs

you do realize that music is not SUPPOSE to sound alike right?

and that we're suppose to have individual likes and dislikes in music right?

 

[dennis roadman]

all true, but the song was a hit though.

it was the 90's so the music industry would've been fine w/o this track

now, with nothing really exciting going on in music they need to stick to a winning pop formula



you didn't really see this formula in the 80's and 90's though

you started to really see it with Lou Pearlman and his boy bands (nsync, backstreet boys)

rest of the industry followed suit...but the popularity of hip hop and grunge was 100% organic, nothing manufactured there.

New jack swing?

As for the idea of grunge and hip hop being organic, come on bruh. Both of them were pounced on by execs almost immediately, especially grunge, and the first big rap song was a complete fabrication

those genres survived in spite of being popular, not because of

 

[Booker T Garvey]

New jack swing?

As for the idea of grunge and hip hop being organic, come on bruh. Both of them were pounced on by execs almost immediately, especially grunge, and the first big rap song was a complete fabrication

those genres survived in spite of being popular, not because of

1) Troop's "spread my wings" and Wrecks n effects "Rump Shaker" sound like two completely different songs do they not?

2) I agree that record execs pounced on the trends, that's normal. but Hip hop didn't start organically in NYC? Grunge didn't start organically in Seattle?

where did ariana grande come from fam? where did One Direction come from? where did Jason Darulo come from?

these people aren't thoroughbred artists that came from the gutter and just so happened to get deals and fame, they are industry plants orchestrated almost in labs to make money for the machine.