How has the nbpa allowed max contracts for so long?

[FTBS]

Juwan Howard, Kevin Garnett & Shaq's contracts in the 90s are the reason for the maximum salaries.......also didn't hurt that having Bird rights allowed owners to really go ham....shyt would have gotten ugly.


It's crazy that contracts have really been stagnant since 99.....Everyone's making a big deal about the Lakers offering a max of 4 years 95 million like they weren't getting like Kev didn't get 6 for 126 back in 97. shyt should be way higher for melo, especially adjusting for inflation.

This is key right here. Jordan's salary was bigger than the salary cap itself his last two years in CHI. All they had to do is keep the Bird rights how they were and cap the salaries for guys changing teams. That's the perfect fix. However teams were more interested in just saving money and thusly they have thrust us into the "team up" era. Their bad.

People always bring up baseball like they don't day 162 games.

What's that gotta do with max individual contracts?

With a salary cap, max contracts are needed so the non superstars don't get left with peanuts.

First of so what? You get what you are worth. This idea that we should limit what the best can get so that lesser players can cake more is stupid and it's also the reason why the owners keep bending the PA over...because lesser players aka the majority ride with that line of thinking. That said it's not necessarily true. If you let teams sign their own guys back for whatever they want (like they did in the 90's) this is not an issue. The issue comes down to the owners being cheap.

 

[MikelArteta]

Baseball 162 games is 81 more games of revenue. 81 more days of TV slots to sell to networks

 

[FTBS]

Baseball 162 games is 81 more games of revenue. 81 more days of TV slots to sell to networks

Again what's that got to do with max individual salaries? That could explain why baseball salaries are higher (they do have twice the roster btw) but it doesn't explain why basketball has a cap on what individuals can make. Football has a hard cap and 16 games and they still don't have a max salary.

 

[Buckeye Fever]

What if they made non-stars get paid hourly and they had to swipe a time card to clock?

 

[HookersandIceCream]

Again what's that got to do with max individual salaries? That could explain why baseball salaries are higher (they do have twice the roster btw) but it doesn't explain why basketball has a cap on what individuals can make. Football has a hard cap and 16 games and they still don't have a max salary.

The MLBPA is the strongest union out there

 

[FTBS]

The MLBPA is the strongest union out there

And that has nothing to do with how many games they play.

 

[tremonthustler1]

It was juwon Howard's crazy ass deal that brought upon the lockout

Garnett's, not Juwan's.

 

[tremonthustler1]

This is key right here. Jordan's salary was bigger than the salary cap itself his last two years in CHI. All they had to do is keep the Bird rights how they were and cap the salaries for guys changing teams. That's the perfect fix. However teams were more interested in just saving money and thusly they have thrust us into the "team up" era. Their bad.




What's that gotta do with max individual contracts?



First of so what? You get what you are worth. This idea that we should limit what the best can get so that lesser players can cake more is stupid and it's also the reason why the owners keep bending the PA over...because lesser players aka the majority ride with that line of thinking. That said it's not necessarily true. If you let teams sign their own guys back for whatever they want (like they did in the 90's) this is not an issue. The issue comes down to the owners being cheap.

Thats the whole point of a union, to UNIFY the stars and scrubs for the same cause. The NBA has the worst problem with this because it's the sport where the scrub is least needed.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

The league couldn't sustain paying players what they're worth 100% guaranteed without paying each and every member of the rank and file what they don't deserve and that ultimately sinks the league because financially it's unsustainable.

 

[HookersandIceCream]

And that has nothing to do with how many games they play.

I never said it did
I'm saying the MLBPA has been better at protecting players salaries and rights

 

[Tony D'Amato]

And that has nothing to do with how many games they play.

I think it has a lil something to do with it. They play so many gms that owners use to lose a lot of revenue when they strike. This was before all these huge tv deals, so who knows now. And thats why theyre so powerful. Their willingness to strike and never cave.

 

[FTBS]

Thats the whole point of a union, to UNIFY the stars and scrubs for the same cause. The NBA has the worst problem with this because it's the sport where the scrub is least needed.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

The league couldn't sustain paying players what they're worth 100% guaranteed without paying each and every member of the rank and file what . ey don't deserve and that ultimately sinks the league because financially it's unsustainable.

The league was just fine before max contracts were instituted. Top guys got huge contracts (bigger than the cap, 25 year deals ) and scrubs and also rans got paid too. My whole thing is you can't have it both ways. You can't cap how much players can make and bemoan guys teaming up which is a direct byproduct of capping salaries. Why not take a couple mill less to play with your boys or in a more appealing market if the difference is only a couple mill? Guys would never leave if you could pay them their worth and teams wouldnt die doing so it would all even out.

 

[FTBS]

I never said it did
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Thats what I was responding to though.

I think it has a lil something to do with it. They play so many gms that owners use to lose a lot of revenue when they strike. This was before all these huge tv deals, so who knows now. And thats why theyre so powerful. Their willingness to strike and never cave.

All owners lose revenue in a work stoppage. All owners are filthy rich too. It all comes down to the last part...they dont cave. NBA/NFL PAs bend over faster then a drunk girl with low self esteem.

 

[tremonthustler1]

The league was just fine before max contracts were instituted. Top guys got huge contracts (bigger than the cap, 25 year deals ) and scrubs and also rans got paid too. My whole thing is you can't have it both ways. You can't cap how much players can make and bemoan guys teaming up which is a direct byproduct of capping salaries. Why not take a couple mill less to play with your boys or in a more appealing market if the difference is only a couple mill? Guys would never leave if you could pay them their worth and teams wouldnt die doing so it would all even out.

No it wasn't. Once cable entered the equation, salaries exploded. This time 20 years ago the biggest contract in sports at the time I think was Greg Maddux at 4/57. Once Shaq and Jordan got their money it was like "damn, but that's Shaq and Jordan though." Once KG had the gall to turn DOWN $100 mil only to get the biggest deal in sports, shyt got real and teams weren't ready for that, hence the lockout of '99.

Guys teaming up to take lesser salaries is something owners didn't think they'd do (on one hand they're happy and they hope it depresses salaries moving forward, but on the other hand it empties the cupboard to where some teams don't have any sort of incentive to lure anyone.)

Guys would never leave if you could pay them their worth

Without a cap, a handful of teams could pay everyone their worth all at once while the rest of the teams are forced to pay marginal stars LeBron money. The only thing that would change is the $$$

 

[Street Knowledge]

Get rid of the max contract and the draft

 

[MIAlien]

Give teams one super max slot that allows a player to earn an uncapped salary that will only count against the cap as a regular max. Make it so each team can only sign one player at a time to the deal. So if Lebron is signed to one, no other Heat player can get the deal til Lebron's deal expires. That's the closest thing to true free market value for top tier NBA players. And it may help the competitive balance of the league.

Example: Lebron signs a 5 year/$250 mil deal. It counts against the Heat's cap as Lebron's regular max, and he gets twice as much. That way Lebron gets what he's truly worth, and the other players won't be left with pennies.