Notorioushnic
Pro
nikka you'll put Soulja Boy over Pac if it came to it. Just admit you don't like dudes music and keep it pushing. Just about 90% of your posts is about dude
HOW in the hell was Pac better than Nas at rapping?
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nikka you'll put Soulja Boy over Pac if it came to it. Just admit you don't like dudes music and keep it pushing. Just about 90% of your posts is about dude
I can define, I don't need to define it. If you need help defining songwriting there's something wrong buddy
and by that I mean . . what the hell is more important than songwriting? You really wanna go there . . I don't got time for this
*logs off*
What a bizarre response.
MooseMouthMthafuga
Veteran
He's not even close to Nas as far as skill level/MC-ing. However, he was was way more charismatic, way more poignant and a far more realized ARTIST. Pac is the artist that Nas has always dreamed of being.
Nas sounds like a smart dumb pseudo militant most of the time (the rap version of TD Jakes), Pac genuinely inspires you.
Even with his vastly superior wordplay, flow and rhyme scheme, Nas could never make a song as powerful as:
Makaveli - White Man'z World - YouTube
Go ahead and throw that "Gone out of business" sign on this thread.
This man just wrapped it up
Insensitive
Superstar
IF you're analyzing Rappers and talking about skill, song writing is an essential ability.
It's the reason why so many "Avante-garde" underground cats wind up spinning their wheels releasing mediocre SONGS with good/great lyrics.
Pac wasn't just good at writing his lyrics, he was able
to create SONGS.
Nas, Jay-Z, Mos Def and many other greats in this genre and others, understand this.
They aren't just supreme lyricists who have sixteens that are
little islands, they understand setting mood, the power of the hook,
good beats and combine that with telling stories, bragging, exploring themes/concepts.
Song writing is already difficult as it is,extend that to a full project
with an overall theme and you see what separates Nas from all of these
cats who could probably rap circles around him but have mediocre discographies.
Canibus (one of my favorite rappers period) just lacks this ability.
I'm certain my dude in his prime could eat any rapper alive but ever since his debut he has consistently shown that he lacks critical skill in "Song writing".
With horrid hooks, inconsistent production and too much focus on dazzling with
metaphors, punch lines and word play.
For an example in understanding the power in knowing how to structure a song compare :
"Rip The Jacker" against other work in Canibus's discog !
Having a producer oversee the project who understands this allowed
him to not only breath as a rapper and showcase his skill in writing
but create an enjoyable listening experience.
I'm certain you wouldn't be a Nas fan if he still had the same skills
but couldn't write records like One Mic, I gave you power, 2nd Child hood and the like.
It's the same reason people love Pac, he was not only nice
but he could write songs with a lot of different concepts and overall
feel while still making them enjoyable.
I believe that song writing matters a great deal, I'd wager Nas wouldn't
be relevant right now if he wasn't as skillful as he is at writing songs.
He'd be like many other lyricists lauded for their use of literary devices but
largely ignored when the conversation shifts to MUSIC.
I see people are misunderstanding my post. My fault. It must have been unclear. I meant the term "song writing ability" is one of those terms that people throw around that doesn't have a commonly understood meaning.
I agree with you that writing a song is tougher than writing a rhyme. And recording an album is tougher than recording a single song. A great album is often more than simply a collection of great songs.
So my beef is with the use of the term. Sunzoo got what I meant. I'm not saying an emcee doesn't need to know how to write a song.
Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
Your comprehension skills leave much to be desired
stop being a weirdo.
Pac did what he sought out to do as did Nas as emcees......you have to look at who they model themselves after before you start writing either off as failures in regards to there emcee ability.....Pac seems to have modeled himself after Scarface,ChuckD,Cube,who were big inspirations......at any point did u get the idea these nikkas wanted to be the most complex/technical lyricist of all time.
? Or did u get the idea they wanted to show agression, say the hardest/rawest shyt.....say something with there lyrics and have a message,and show emotion and touch people and reach people with they music and tell stories?....I think its safe to say Pac succedded in those areas as an emcee.Think we can say Rakim,Kool GRap,Krs are Nas biggest inspirations...his aim would be to have concepts,be poetic and descriptive,kill the mult syllable rhyme style.....Its just
to sit and watch nikkas throw the knock on Pac for not doing sumthing he wuznt trying to do.....its safe to say Pac had quite the vocabulary,and we know he could do multi syllable rhyming.....do u really think he couldn't rhyme aimlessly on a track in multisyllabic fashion if he wanted to....Not sayin that's all Nas does but sum of the verses he "blacks out" on that's what he's doin,its a lyrical display that means nuthin which to me grows stale pretty quick typically if the song ain't shyt....but that's partly what his aim is to be a technical standout when you look at his inspirations.If I wanted to be azz like y'all,I could point out how Nas can't do much of the shyt that ChuckD,Face,Cube could do as emccess,and matter of fact he's down right horrible in those areas where as Pac excelled in those areas
....See how that works,where I just knock Nas for areas he's weak at as an emcee when he's probaly not even trying to do
...you really in my opinion gotta look at what a emcees aim is before you start condemning them for what they can't do or didn't do....if we had emcees who excelled in every area than we wouldn't have all these endless arguments about so and so being better lyrically,and sooo and so can't make club songs and show emotion....there's really never been a bunch of emccees that excell in every area there's actually been none,that's sumthin we got to look foward too in hiphop....the complete emcee that has 0 weaknesses in anybodys mind.
BobbyGotAnotherGun
Rookie
What a set of faggats
Who remembers the days of appreciating different and original styles ?
waah waah, hes my favourite and the bestest waah waah
Who remembers the days of appreciating different and original styles ?
waah waah, hes my favourite and the bestest waah waah
intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
to you niccaz who picked up the torch while I was busy...
samtalksradio
Banned
2pac is the only ABC rapper that people would argue is better then Nas Im convince you nikkas would let 22pac go up yall a$$holes like them nikkas in NY did when went to jail.
intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
to you niccaz who picked up the torch while I was busy...
Tupac was a good rapper with average lyrics ..... , good passion; but is still popular, because he was shot. Thanks the only reason this is even a conversation.
Jone2three45
Superstar
nikka you'll put Soulja Boy over Pac if it came to it. Just admit you don't like dudes music and keep it pushing. Just about 90% of your posts is about dude
I'm starting to think that god shamgod is ?uestlove posting on here.