How is it possible for the Universe to be created out of Nothing (Christian response vid)

[Thsnnor]

Again, you don't understand evolution. Seeing as the mutations that lead to better survival are what ensures better survival you're less likely to see negative evolutionary aspects.

But that's not the point. The point is you have all these quotes and maths and probability for why evolution couldn't have happened but you're happy to accept a complete improbability about a fully formed human being formed from clay. All you need to do is show me how that is more probable because you believe it is.

So mutations are a good thing? Downs Syndrome, Sickle Cell, CP and others will lead to better survival? Even if not what mutations can you give that ensure better survival?

Yep I'm happy to accept the biblical account for creation. Even still one of my points I like to use is Israel itself. It is the only nation in the history of the world to be wiped off the face of the earth only to return. Israel is God's chosen people and it was written about in advance.

One takes faith to believe in while the other is mathematically impossible.

 

[noon]

So mutations are a good thing? Downs Syndrome, Sickle Cell, CP and others will lead to better survival? Even if not what mutations can you give that ensure better survival?

Yep I'm happy to accept the biblical account for creation. Even still one of my points I like to use is Israel itself. It is the only nation in the history of the world to be wiped off the face of the earth only to return. Israel is God's chosen people and it was written about in advance.

One takes faith to believe in while the other is mathematically impossible.

Mutations aren't necessarily good or bad. The ones that lead to advantages in survival obviously lead to greater survival rates.

Israel is something I've discussed elsewhere. And I'm not going into a rabbit hole in this thread about that.

As for "One takes faith to believe in while the other is mathematically impossible." I'm still waiting on the math for your one. Otherwise you have to change your view to "One takes faith to believe in and both options are mathematically impossible".

 

[Thsnnor]

Mutations aren't necessarily good or bad. The ones that lead to advantages in survival obviously lead to greater survival rates.

Israel is something I've discussed elsewhere. And I'm not going into a rabbit hole in this thread about that.

As for "One takes faith to believe in while the other is mathematically impossible." I'm still waiting on the math for your one. Otherwise you have to change your view to "One takes faith to believe in and both options are mathematically impossible".

What would you accept as evidence of proof as it is different for everyone. According to what I believe God created the universe so to me it is possible for God to create Adam. How can you put that mathematically I'm not sure but, for me the universe exists and humans are here so for me the math is 100%.

What would you consider accept for evidence or math?

 

[noon]

What would you consider accept for evidence or math?

First of all, define your belief in the origin of species into a sentence or two, from what I know of the Bible it's that man (and all the other species?) were created fully formed from clay of the earth.

Then do all of this shyt:

So, since Borel's Law indicates that it's ridiculous to consider probabilities with odds of less than 1 in 1050, that what does that tell us about whether or not a protein could "create itself" accidentally?

Well, 1 in 10130 is trillions of times less likely than 1 in 1050—meaning, if 1 in 1050 is scientifically absurd, then seriously considering that just one protein could come about by chance is "absurd" multiplied one hundred million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion times.

Thus, even the formation of one, simple protein is so far beyond "mathematical impossibility" that anyone who seriously believes it happened is uniformed, deceived, or incapable of grasping the truth.

And remember, there are approximately 2,000,000 currently discovered proteins in the human body!

Over 3.2 Billion DNA in each cell and Trillions of cells. If all we can see are the success mathematically speaking there should be bodies taller than mountains with the mathematical failures.
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for that sentence.

 

[Fervid]

In animals no poodle has evolved into the size of a great date. .

You do know how we have all these different breeds of dogs, right? Sounds like you're having trouble with understanding evolution.

The answer is "artificial selection". Instead of nature selecting the traits of these different breeds, humans and nature did. Given enough time and isolation these different breeds would likely become different species. The artificial selection we see today kind of makes a case for natural selection.

 

[Thsnnor]

You do know how we have all these different breeds of dogs, right? Sounds like you're having trouble with understanding evolution.

The answer is "artificial selection". Instead of nature selecting the traits of these different breeds, humans and nature did. Given enough time and isolation these different breeds would likely become different species. The artificial selection we see today kind of makes a case for natural selection.

According to evolution the breeds should mix and not have barriers between them as they all come from the same DNA.

 

[noon]

According to evolution the breeds should mix and not have barriers between them as they all come from the same DNA.

Not should, but could. And yes they can, apart from when physical differences are too great for them to do so. The barriers between them are humans. If dogs were left wild the purebreeds would eventually disappear.

 

[Fervid]

According to evolution the breeds should mix and not have barriers between them as they all come from the same DNA.

Breeds can and do mix. There are all kinds of natural barriers isolating animals from one another. Either I don't understand what you typed or vice-versa.

 

[Thsnnor]

Not should, but could. And yes they can, apart from when physical differences are too great for them to do so. The barriers between them are humans. If dogs were left wild the purebreeds would eventually disappear.

We should see animals from back in Darwin's day at any given time cause the DNA is in the genes. Dodo birds should be around and others but, all we see is when a species is gone it never comes back. People are still worried about the animals in the rain forest cause they can't live anywhere else but the DNA in those animals are in all DNA but they are not anywhere else. Even if it dies after 10 mins it should happen somewhere else in the world.

I'm still working on the other question you asked.

 

[Thsnnor]

Breeds can and do mix. There are all kinds of natural barriers isolating animals from one another. Either I don't understand what you typed or vice-versa.

Natural barriers like what? If all previous DNA is available then one previous animal should pop up at some point in time. We have not seen it.

 

[Fervid]

Natural barriers like what? If all previous DNA is available then one previous animal should pop up at some point in time. We have not seen it.

Natural barriers like oceans, climates, land forms, etc.
I can't respond to the rest because I don't understand it.

 

[noon]

We should see animals from back in Darwin's day at any given time cause the DNA is in the genes. Dodo birds should be around and others but, all we see is when a species is gone it never comes back. People are still worried about the animals in the rain forest cause they can't live anywhere else but the DNA in those animals are in all DNA but they are not anywhere else. Even if it dies after 10 mins it should happen somewhere else in the world.

I'm still working on the other question you asked.

Yeah, Fervid is right. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Evolution doesn't demand any of this. It doesn't state that dodos should be here, nor does it state all types of species should be able to pop up anywhere else on the planet.

 

[Thsnnor]

First of all, define your belief in the origin of species into a sentence or two, from what I know of the Bible it's that man (and all the other species?) were created fully formed from clay of the earth.

Then do all of this shyt:

So, since Borel's Law indicates that it's ridiculous to consider probabilities with odds of less than 1 in 1050, that what does that tell us about whether or not a protein could "create itself" accidentally?

Well, 1 in 10130 is trillions of times less likely than 1 in 1050—meaning, if 1 in 1050 is scientifically absurd, then seriously considering that just one protein could come about by chance is "absurd" multiplied one hundred million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion times.

Thus, even the formation of one, simple protein is so far beyond "mathematical impossibility" that anyone who seriously believes it happened is uniformed, deceived, or incapable of grasping the truth.

And remember, there are approximately 2,000,000 currently discovered proteins in the human body!

Over 3.2 Billion DNA in each cell and Trillions of cells. If all we can see are the success mathematically speaking there should be bodies taller than mountains with the mathematical failures.
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for that sentence.

The universe was created and God created everything. Only Adam was from dirt. None of the animals were. As everything started at the big bang and went forward I tried to see what scientists have said about the matter. As far as speaking on the Bible as how it has said creation was done I have found the following:

Now we see how the astronomical evidence leads to a biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same : the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy. - Robert Jastrow (founder of NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies) also an agnostic.

He also is quoted as saying Astronomers now find they have painted themselves into a corner because they have proven, by their own methods, that the world began abruptly in an act of creation.... that there are what I or anyone would call supernatural forces at work is now, I think, a scientifically proven fact.

The beginning seems to present insuperable difficulties unless we agree to look on it as frankly supernatural. - Arthur Eddington

Robert Wilson and Arno Penzias acknowledge the science facts are consistent with the Bible.

Everyone I quoted above are scientists and none are Christian.

 

[noon]

The universe was created and God created everything. Only Adam was from dirt. None of the animals were. As everything started at the big bang and went forward I tried to see what scientists have said about the matter. As far as speaking on the Bible as how it has said creation was done I have found the following:

Now we see how the astronomical evidence leads to a biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same : the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy. - Robert Jastrow (founder of NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies) also an agnostic.

He also is quoted as saying Astronomers now find they have painted themselves into a corner because they have proven, by their own methods, that the world began abruptly in an act of creation.... that there are what I or anyone would call supernatural forces at work is now, I think, a scientifically proven fact.

The beginning seems to present insuperable difficulties unless we agree to look on it as frankly supernatural. - Arthur Eddington

Robert Wilson and Arno Penzias acknowledge the science facts are consistent with the Bible.

Everyone I quoted above are scientists and none are Christian.

Yeah. That's totally not what I asked.

 

[Thsnnor]

Yeah. That's totally not what I asked.

If everything before Adam is proven true then shouldn't that prove Adam also?

Can't divide up the Biblical account of creation.