How many of the Nas/Hitboy albums you think are classic/will be classics?

How many of the Hitboy X Nas albums are classics/will be classics?


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Budda

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@Piff Perkins you’re whole idea of a classic seems to be based around sales, and retrospective impact

Not actual quality of music, some people just see a classic as a flawless or near flawless album, @Awesome Wells called nikkaz in Paris a classic song based of impact and sales and said nothing for its quality which isn’t great.
 

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Talking Hip Hop as far as the music is concerned. Not awards. Not sales.

The average person on the street who loves Hip Hop, is not going to say "Nas is a legend because he sold mad tickets at The Garden". I'm speaking about the music and what it's done for the people and his career standing. The things that actually matter. You're speaking about the kinda sh*t that the fake fans pay attention to. Actual Hip Hop fans do not care about which spot your album landed on Billboard or magazine write-ups. They care about the music. And how the music made them feel and which moments in time that music created for them for mad years. You're talking about stuff Nas's manager (whom I friends with) should be concerned with. None of that makes the music more classic, bro.

It has to be said, Hit-Boy's BIGGEST record of his career, is a Jay-Z track. Which is a classic. Those don't come around often. He does not have a record with Nas, ANYWHERE on any of these albums that has reached that level. That's what we're talking about. Not what Rolling Stone said. One minute everyone is saying "Rolling Stone doesn't know sh*t about Hip Hop", but now we're quoting them when they speak on Nas? When Paid in Full originally dropped, they said it was wack. Let's not quote Rolling Stone, lol. This is about the music. Where are the songs on these albums that have shifted anything in Hip Hop and became undeniable classic tracks like the ones we've seen in the culture over the past almost 30+ years? Nas himself said, "Everyone doesn't have to like what I'm doing with Hit, but we have something good going on". He's acknowledged mad times that everyone doesn't like Hit-Boy. So how is saying the fans are divided "categorically false"? Just look at the threads on here, since so much time is spent on here. People on here are saying the same. This isn't new. Hit ain't universally loved and respected.

We have to stop throwing the word "classic" around like it doesn't mean what it should. You can like mad sh*t, just like we all do. But just because we like something, doesn't mean it's classic. Like I said, if we're referencing Hit-Boy, "N*ggas in Paris" is a classic. That song had a moment. Globally!! I'm not talking about what the album sold or what Jay and them did on tour with it. I'm talking about the ACTUAL SONG. That's what a classic looks like. We all know that. All of these albums he did with Hit, where are the classic songs on that level or even close to? That's the question everyone is asking.

There are a bunch of songs on these albums better than nikkas in Paris, corny song, you basing what a classic is based on what surbaban cac teenagers like is funny asl.
 

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There are a bunch of songs on these albums better than nikkas in Paris, corny song, you basing what a classic is based on what surbaban cac teenagers like is funny asl.

I dislike nikkas in Paris HEAVILY, but the record is a non-negotiable classic...

Nas stuff with hit-boy can be a personal classic, but once you start throwing it into higher realms, you gotta have the records to bring to the table
 

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I dislike nikkas in Paris HEAVILY, but the record is a non-negotiable classic...

Nas stuff with hit-boy can be a personal classic, but once you start throwing it into higher realms, you gotta have the records to bring to the table

Nikkas in Paris is a corny song, there are a lot of classic bad songs then using the logic in this thread, as long as a song is memorable, has sales it can be a classic, ice ice baby is a classic but it wouldn’t even be top 1000 rap songs.
 

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KD3 and in time i think Magic 3


Based on impact a STRONG case can be made for KD1 but the music on KD3 and Magic 3 is stronger.





KD3- Whats the impact?
KD3 is the album that tied Nas with Jay-Z as the only two rappers to have 16 top ten debuting albums.


KD3 is also the album that brought to the forefront the conversation centered around the “relevance” of older legacy artists through the 21 Savage situation. That became a big time conversation within the Hip Hop community and beyond



Whats the classic moment?

I’ll leave this here for you, perhaps you forgot

Nas Performs Sold Out Concert At Madison Square Garden In NYC - Ground Up Radio

Whats the classic song(s)?

How about having the highest acclaimed rap album of the year? Thirty years INTO your career? Is that not a classic enough compiling of songs to meet the threshold?



What's the significance of the 16 debuting albums in terms of a singular classic album moment? Eminem will have that soon. So will Drake. Will that count towards them being classic albums?

I simply disagree on the relevance thing. That's been an argument for years, it wasn't "brought to the forefront" here. 50 Cent constantly had that argument with people (including about Jay when 444 dropped), Nelly v KRS brought it up and we've even seen it used to criticize Cole/Kendrick/Drake by new artists or fans.

In terms of the MSG show as I've said before, Nas selling out that show had nothing to do with King's Disease. The vast majority of that crowd came for classic Nas records, which got the most reaction. He could have sold out MSG at any point in the years before the KD series began. I don't view it as a classic album defining moment any more than I'd view Jay selling out MSG when Black Album dropped as a classic album defining moment. Jay could have sold out MSG (solo) before 2003.

Getting good reviews can be important, sure. But when Nas gets bad reviews it's "the media hates Nas" and they don't matter. When he gets good reviews, they're used as evidence that he's the GOAT (which he is, but that's not because of reviews). Also look at the amount of reviews that album has compared to various noteworthy rap albums (classic, great, good, bad, etc) over the last few years. There aren't many reviews, many publications didn't even cover it at all. Which is fine...I'd imagine Madvillainy didn't get many major reviews at the time for instance. I'm just saying while reviews matter I don't weigh them as high as cultural impact, classic songs, relevance and influence etc.
 

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What's the significance of the 16 debuting albums in terms of a singular classic album moment? Eminem will have that soon. So will Drake. Will that count towards them being classic albums?

I simply disagree on the relevance thing. That's been an argument for years, it wasn't "brought to the forefront" here. 50 Cent constantly had that argument with people (including about Jay when 444 dropped), Nelly v KRS brought it up and we've even seen it used to criticize Cole/Kendrick/Drake by new artists or fans.

In terms of the MSG show as I've said before, Nas selling out that show had nothing to do with King's Disease. The vast majority of that crowd came for classic Nas records, which got the most reaction. He could have sold out MSG at any point in the years before the KD series began. I don't view it as a classic album defining moment any more than I'd view Jay selling out MSG when Black Album dropped as a classic album defining moment. Jay could have sold out MSG (solo) before 2003.

Getting good reviews can be important, sure. But when Nas gets bad reviews it's "the media hates Nas" and they don't matter. When he gets good reviews, they're used as evidence that he's the GOAT (which he is, but that's not because of reviews). Also look at the amount of reviews that album has compared to various noteworthy rap albums (classic, great, good, bad, etc) over the last few years. There aren't many reviews, many publications didn't even cover it at all. Which is fine...I'd imagine Madvillainy didn't get many major reviews at the time for instance. I'm just saying while reviews matter I don't weigh them as high as cultural impact, classic songs, relevance and influence etc.


I mean to be fair...... the concert was called the King's Disease Trilogy concert. Those people might have been in for a surprise :lolbron:


Like I said before, it all depends on how these albums are viewed years from now. Its harder in general to call something a classic without some sort of support behind it. Hopefully the way people talk about this run now (and it isnt just Nas fans ) will carry on for years to come, cause the quality deserves to be heard.
 

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@Piff Perkins you’re whole idea of a classic seems to be based around sales, and retrospective impact

Not actual quality of music, some people just see a classic as a flawless or near flawless album, @Awesome Wells called nikkaz in Paris a classic song based of impact and sales and said nothing for its quality which isn’t great.
I guess you missed where I literally said it doesn't matter whether an album went triple plat or barely sold at all...

There are multiple albums I consider to be classic that didn't sell on any significant level. Marcberg comes to mind. Covert Coup comes to mind. But you can clearly see impact, influence, relevance, etc. Then there are "personal classics" I know aren't "classic albums" but I view the album as special/amazing/etc. If people want to say KD3, Magic 1 etc are personal classics who am I to say otherwise. That's your opinion. I think Magic 1 is at least a 4 mic album. It's dope! I just don't think being a dope album makes something classic in the traditional definition.

Nikkaz In Paris is obviously a classic song, there's no denying that. It's more than just a hit song, it's a culturally iconic song. I think from an objective perspective it's important to be able to "look around the room" and determine when something is classic even if you personally don't connect with it. I hate Money Cash Hoes. That shyt sucks to me. But I'm not gonna deny it's a classic song.

@Cladyclad my point is that having a classic song(s) doesn't make an album classic, however classic albums usually have classic songs. I also think with underground rap you can definitely haggle over what the classic songs are, if any. Is it simply an amazingly influential body of work that shifted a scene? Is it a classic song strictly to underground heads, or a song that bubbled up beyond them to the mainstream? That's all stuff you can debate.
 

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I’m not even a Travis Scott fan but to me Astroworld is probably the most recent classic. Made a huge impact, influenced music in general, had a massive tour and then made international news for better or obviously for worse with people being so crazy for it that people died.
I love Nas to death but not one rapper is listening to this run of albums like “I gotta emulate this”. Opinions can differ on what a classic is but to me it’s gotta move the culture in some way not just appease a fanbase.
 

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Classic...maybe just Magic. That one is just special and gives me Illmatic vibes with the length and production.
 

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KD 1 and 2 were classics. Magic and KD 3 were ok. Magic 2 and 3 were trash.:hubie:
 

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KD2, Magic 1, KD3 are 3 of his top 6 albums and the best 3 album run of his career
 

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KD3 and Magic 1 are the closet to being classic. They were all great albums but those 2 are the stand outs. I enjoyed them all but I’m not quite sure if I would say any of them are classics
 
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