Project Pooch
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27/11/9, 32 PER. 65 TS %
he putting up Prime Bird/Bron numbers
he putting up Prime Bird/Bron numbers
How many PF/Cs have you seen better offensively than Jokic?
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as well almost 50/40/90 at 7 feet tall, and almost 2 steals a game
Per-36 Embiid gives you 33ppg and 3.6apg, Jokic gives you 27ppg and 8.6apg. TS% identical.
Embiid gets you 6 more points, Jokic gets you 5 more assists. That lends to Jokic, but not by a massive margin IMO. Jokic's passing is inherently dependent on his teammate being able to knock down shots. If they're cold his impact becomes more limited. I also factor in that Jokic has way more floor spacing than Embiid. The Nuggets can surround Jokic with 4 shooters all the time, but Embiid constantly has Simmons clogging the paint and helping doubles come his way. Makes it easier for Jokic to gets points and assists. Embiid's numbers would be even better in that situation.
When Embiid is on the floor without Simmons, his per-36 averages are 40ppg and 4apg on 69%TS
Overall, purely on offense, I think it's close when you look at stats. Contextualizing it in the game and their teams, my biased ass leans towards Embiid. What he can do without Simmons is GOAT shyt.
I think there's a debate to be had, and I can respect someone going either way. Defense puts Embiid over him though overall no doubt
Embiid gets you 6 more points, Jokic gets you 5 more assists. That lends to Jokic, but not by a massive margin IMO. Jokic's passing is inherently dependent on his teammate being able to knock down shots. If they're cold his impact becomes more limited. I also factor in that Jokic has way more floor spacing than Embiid. The Nuggets can surround Jokic with 4 shooters all the time, but Embiid constantly has Simmons clogging the paint and helping doubles come his way. Makes it easier for Jokic to gets points and assists. Embiid's numbers would be even better in that situation.
When Embiid is on the floor without Simmons, his per-36 averages are 40ppg and 4apg on 69%TS
Overall, purely on offense, I think it's close when you look at stats. Contextualizing it in the game and their teams, my biased ass leans towards Embiid. What he can do without Simmons is GOAT shyt.
I think there's a debate to be had, and I can respect someone going either way. Defense puts Embiid over him though overall no doubt
DropTopDoc
20/20 Vision With my Buffs On
They said sabonis was the truth before he hit the league, but his knees went bad, but in my lifetime with my own eyes, shaq, Hakeem, Robinson
Lakerman0834
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Jokic best center in today’s game imo but n the 90s if he had to guard real centers on the other end don’t know if he’s be on the floor long enough for those numbers
he’s gonna be on the floor for 36 minutes for sure, but he’s not putting up these type of numbers in the 90s
O.iatlhawksfan
Devoted Joel Embiid hater
He’s a slightly better Brad Miller in the 90s
O.iatlhawksfan
Devoted Joel Embiid hater
BM was a 16-17PPG 9-10reb in his prime, Jokic would be slightly better
Conscious Pilot
Do Better.
Jokic is clutch as hell and low key has revolutionized/maybe even birthed Point Center but there’s probably 10 Big Men I’ve seen who I can definitively say are better offensively.
Jokic has helped to dead the
“So and so from the 80s/90s wouldn’t be shyt today, they were too unathletic”
Of course he wouldn't get the same numbers. Coaches wouldn't allow a big like him to shoot threes, bring the ball up, and just run point in general. That's in addition to him being guarded by better defenders at the five. Today's game is perfect for him because coaches allow him to be utilized fully.
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Conscious Pilot
Do Better.
Yeah him and Luka have right the wrongs of Darko and Rubio
