How many PF/Cs have you seen better offensively than Jokic?

[Controversy]

Some guys just don't have it in them to be true #1 options.Despite the shiny stats & accolades.Guys like Dwight Howard, Giannis, David Robinson etc...etc..

Glorified 2nd options.Thanks to the NBA marketing machine.

I wouldn't put Giannis in that category...I believe he could avg 35 a game with the right playmaker getting him the ball

Think prime Deron Williams, prime Steve Nash, etc...

Giannis gets 30 in his sleep

 

[Flex Grossman]

I think what makes Jokic so effective is that he can bang, shoot threes, run the offense from the perimeter and the post

He's a legit C, and he's really a unicorn offensively

The passing obv separates him from the other ATGs at the 4 & 5

IMO, offensively, he's a top 10 big man talent EVER

But he needs to sustain this level of excellence

I think he just started his “prime” this year. If he can stay around the same numbers for the next 5 or 6 years, he’ll be in the convo for GOAT offense big. 27/11/9 on 40/50/90 is incredible.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I wouldn't put Giannis in that category...I believe he could avg 35 a game with the right playmaker getting him the ball

Think prime Deron Williams, prime Steve Nash, etc...

Giannis gets 30 in his sleep

That's exactly why Giannis is the poster child for it.He can put up numbers, but when it comes to situational basketball/high pressure moments in big games,


you can't just give him the ball, and generate a bucket.He's a 2nd option masquerading as a #1.Mostly thanks to his regular season stats.

 

[Apprentice]

That's exactly why Giannis is the poster child for it.He can put up numbers, but when it comes to situational basketball/high pressure moments in big games,


you can't just give him the ball, and generate a bucket.He's a 2nd option masquerading as a #1.Mostly thanks to his regular season stats.

Lol he’s his teams only option in the clutch u wouldn’t be saying this if he was gettin dump offs from Harden or putting back KDs missed 3s in the clutch

 

[Controversy]

That's exactly why Giannis is the poster child for it.He can put up numbers, but when it comes to situational basketball/high pressure moments in big games,


you can't just give him the ball, and generate a bucket.He's a 2nd option masquerading as a #1.Mostly thanks to his regular season stats.

Shaq was the same way in situational clutch moments

you need a playmaker in those moments

Giannis isn't a wing, he's a big, so it's to be expected

he has no one on his team that gets him consistent clean looks, and if he had that he'd be even more dominant

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Lol he’s his teams only option in the clutch u wouldn’t be saying this if he was gettin dump offs from Harden or putting back KDs missed 3s in the clutch

I wouldn't be saying it because he'd be playing as a 2nd option in that scenario.Where he should be IMO

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Shaq was the same way in situational clutch moments

you need a playmaker in those moments

Giannis isn't a wing, he's a big, so it's to be expected

he has no one on his team that gets him consistent clean looks, and if he had that he'd be even more dominant

Bigs can generate their own buckets.Jokic..Embib......Shaq was a terror in the post.You could throw him the ball and let him

go to work down there.Giannis don't have those kind of skills.He's a freak athlete, but his game's not that refined.Russell Westbrook

of big men.Eye popping stats, but I don't really fear him when he''s playing against my team.

 

[DraymondT]

In this era not many besides Embiid.

All time idk If he’s even top 15

@ Embiid better than him on offense

You know passing is a part of offense too? Jokic might be the best passer ever for a big man he's probably closer to guards and Bird/Bron passing the rock than bigs. Joel is not a good passer. Denver has been a top 6 offense lock almost the whole time Jokic been there now. Philly hasn't been been and almost always out the top 10 even though they got Ben, Tobias, Redikk, Seth and even had Jimmy Butler for a season. Murray is good but he's one of the most inconsistent players ever there a reason he ain't sniff all-star now in 5 seasons.

Even scoring wise Embiid ain't better. Jokic scoring translates to the playoffs and he's only had issues with Dwight and he was still scoring. We've seen Embiid shut down by Al Horford, Aron Baynes and Marc Gasol. Last year the only time Joel ain't have issues scoring in the playoffs and Boston is one of the smallest teams in the league that can't guard bigs and they big rotation is with struggle ass 6'8 Theis and 6'6 Semi and Grant Williams. Bam looked like David Robinson against them nikkas

 

[DropTopDoc]

Some guys just don't have it in them to be true #1 options.Despite the shiny stats & accolades.Guys like Dwight Howard, Giannis, David Robinson etc...etc..

Glorified 2nd options.Thanks to the NBA marketing machine.

What defines a 1st option guy ?? Because what I’m gathering is in your mind is Kobe and jordon but both of those guys needed their teams in games they weren’t on, and hell even games they were on they still needed help, it’s wild to me that you think two dominant dudes are second options at best, but you are entitled to your opinion

 

[Consigliere]

we can say the same thing about Shaq for the majority of his career and even Jordan especially after he came back.

beside the MVP favorite so far is a center

No on Shaq. Somewhat agree about Jordan.

Even though Shaq caught a lot of them at the end of their careers (and abused them) there were still actually big men in the game.

 

[KingJay]

Jokic can do more offensively than Embiid . Regardless if you switch teams imo Jokic offensive skill set is better.

Thread not about who’s the overall better player. Stay on topic

Embiid is the better post player
Embiid is better at drawing fouls
Embiid has the better triple threat game
Embiid has a better midrange game
Embiid is a better scorer off the dribble and in the face up game
Embiid is a better scorer in pretty much every way. They're equals as 3PT shooters and FT shooters. Jokic is a much better passer no doubt, but that's really it
Obviously no one's skillset changes when you switch teams, my point is that we'd see Embiid's on display better. As I showed, when Simmons is off the floor breh averages 40/14/4 on 69%TS per-36
Nobody in the league is coming close to fukkin with that

 

[Controversy]

Bigs can generate their own buckets.Jokic..Embib......Shaq was a terror in the post.You could throw him the ball and let him

go to work down there.Giannis don't have those kind of skills.He's a freak athlete, but his game's not that refined.Russell Westbrook

of big men.Eye popping stats, but I don't really fear him when he''s playing against my team.

It takes a wall to stop Giannis

Shaq played with superstars (Kobe, Wade & Penny) who made teams pay for building a wall to stop him.

If Giannis played with a real playmaker, he'd be unstoppable like how Kareem was with Magic. His game isn't pretty but he'd be even more dominant in the post.

 

[CarbonBraddock]

don't know why so many of you casuals can't understand that the numbers are inflated in this era. this fat fakkit would be a borderline all-star in the 90s. he's a good player, but stop trying to anoint these whiteboys.