Cave Savage
Feminist
The emo rappers use trap beats heavily
My friend is always playing XXX songs and most of them have trap beats
How much longer do we have to sit through Trap?
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The emo rappers use trap beats heavily
My friend is always playing XXX songs and most of them have trap beats
Cave Savage
Feminist
yet they all ride that trap wave
it's a major reason why all three have still been able to maintain relevance
all three have COSIGNED the trap movement with thier constant collaborations with these artists...
most of Drake "stimulus packages" have gone to these trap artists lol... i.e (migos...lil baby..jb blocboy)
"A lot" actually has natural sounding percussion + bass as well as interesting flow. So if that even counts as trap, it's definitely a higher quality song than most of the shyt filling up the charts now.
Somebody probably already said this, but:
That emotional auto-tune beta male junky rap has to go. When did it become acceptable for everybody to use the same auto-voice, flow, cadence and damn near the same exact loser based lyrics full of fake haters, a struggle you can't handle and getting your mom out of imaginary projects just to become a junky about it anyway?
That emotional auto-tune beta male junky rap has to go. When did it become acceptable for everybody to use the same auto-voice, flow, cadence and damn near the same exact loser based lyrics full of fake haters, a struggle you can't handle and getting your mom out of imaginary projects just to become a junky about it anyway?
Generation Z was raised by Generation X, who basically forgotten about parenting and was still chasing partying and $$$.
Those beta male feminine junkies that use auto tune are crippled by technology.
Child_Of_God
Love is a long road.
If we being honest trap music is one of the few rap genres that has been constantly evolving. Today’s trap music sounds way different then it did in 2010 and 2016. 
Cave Savage
Feminist
If we being honest trap music is one of the few rap genres that has been constantly evolving. Today’s trap music sounds way different then it did in 2010 and 2016.
It seemed like songs had more variation in 2016 though. Unless it was someone like Future, the "trap" part of the instrumental was more subdued on average
The Amerikkkan Idol
The Amerikkkan Nightmare
even if you consider those three as "anomalies", there were more rappers doing better than public enemy. fresh prince was going triple platinum AND charting higher in 1988. this was before the change you seem to be using as an excuse. NWA went triple platinum and was charting higher in 1988. this was before the change you seem to be using as an excuse. this is the same year PE and Run DMC only went single platinum so idk why you think they would not only chart higher than the more popular rap acts but also other genres
again someone who claims to have been in the business at the time posted in depth about this just one page prior. scroll up and read it. conscious music just wasnt as popular. just be glad it is now!
It's not an excuse.
It's a fact.
The fact of the matter is, we really don't know how records were selling with any real accuracy before Soundscan, so you pulling out anomalies really doesn't help your argument.
Black record stores numbers WERE NOT BEING COUNTED with the same accuracy as White ones.
That's why only people who sold lots of records to White people like Beasties, Hammer, and Fresh Prince were charting that way.
We didn't know how many records "Straight Outta Compton" actually sold in '88, '89. It only made it to no. 37 on the pop charts in '89. That's it. That's far from where Hammer, Beasties, and Vanilla Ice were.
Why do you think like I said after Soundscan's change, NWA had their FIRST no. 1 album.
All we know is that when "nikkaz4Life" came out in '91, they were magically outselling Paula Abdul & New Kids & shyt, when they couldn't get in the top 20 3 years earlier. It took everybody by surprise.
The same was for Hip-Hop as a whole.
Like I said, people like Run-DMC & Public Enemy might have had no.1 albums on the Billboard Top LP/200 chart had Soundscan existed in the mid '80s
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bourgeoisie tall freak
Superstar
ok, its better to say they "might have".... cuz before you were saying "they would have" which just isnt true based on performance of other rappers who did three times better. if you are saying rap was stifled, you have to apply your whole conspiracy to the whole genre, even the rap groups that were already doing better than PE before the change lol
and you cant just do the typical sore loser thing and say "oh that rapper is a white consumer rapper" just because they did better than your favorite. especially when someone who supposedly worked at a black hip hop station already confirmed that the black consumers didn't want to hear it as much either. especially when the fact of the matter is, every group that is above average in success, including PE, probably has a good percentage of white fans! this is one image you get when you google
"public enemy concert"
you act like they only got play on the chitlin circuit
they got in with every crowd, just not as much as a lot of other rappers.
every black person i know liked MC hammer (until he got too popular then the hate came) and a lot of them also liked fresh prince! these were also sold in black record stores! you somehow have nothing to say about this point lol
plus even after the change PE never topped the chart so the whole point is moot
you cant say they would have done better had everything been counted, when the numbers show that after the change they still didn't top the chart!
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The Amerikkkan Idol
The Amerikkkan Nightmare
ok, its better to say they "might have".... cuz before you were saying "they would have" which just isnt true based on performance of other rappers who did three times better. if you are saying rap was stifled, you have to apply your whole conspiracy to the whole genre, even the rap groups that were already doing better than PE before the change lol
and you cant just do the typical sore loser thing and say "oh that rapper is a white consumer rapper" just because they did better than your favorite. especially when someone who supposedly worked at a black hip hop station already confirmed that the black consumers didn't want to hear it as much either. especially when the fact of the matter is, every group that is above average in success, including PE, probably has a good percentage of white fans! this is one image you get when you google
"public enemy concert"
you act like they only got play on the chitlin circuit
they got in with every crowd, just not as much as a lot of other rappers.
every black person i know liked MC hammer (until he got too popular then the hate came) and a lot of them also liked fresh prince! these were also sold in black record stores! you somehow have nothing to say about this point lol
plus even after the change PE never topped the chart so the whole point is moot
you cant say they would have done better had everything been counted, when the numbers show that after the change they still didn't top the chart!
1. Dude, that picture is not from the mid '80s. It's from recently. How would that even be remotely relevant in this discussion
? 2. Again, those rappers who did 3x better were POP ARTISTS with mostly White POP fan bases. The people who bought New Kids on the Block Records and Tiffany albums.
3. Again, we do know that once Soundscan started, rappers, even those who weren't typically pop started to dominate, so it's pretty safe to say that had it started earlier, that would've been the case. It's not a fukking conspiracy theory, it's fukking acknowledged fact.
https://nypost.com/2017/02/09/how-1991-changed-music-as-we-knew-it/
4. I love Public Enemy & NWA & The Beastie Boys and have been listening to both for over 30 years. I know who their audiences are better than you, who are apparently too young to remember what the culture was back then
. I remember when Hammer had an all Black fan base with the Holy Ghost Boys and then crossed over. You out of your depth talking to me. I never said no Black people liked Hammer or Fresh Prince or the Beasties, just that they benefited from having a heavily White pop audience, which non pop Black rappers didn't until Soundscan changed it.bourgeoisie tall freak
Superstar
4. I love Public Enemy & NWA & The Beastie Boys and have been listening to both for over 30 years. I know who their audiences are better than you, who are apparently too young to remember what the culture was back then
The picture is a relatively recent picture but do you really think a bunch of middle aged men started liking PE all of a sudden in the 2000s? Of course not lol, they are probably old fans just like you trying to relive their childhood lol. if you want to be obtuse about it i'll post an old school video lol. crowd full of white fans (pre soundscan change)
crowd full of europeans (pre soundscan change)
photo from the 90s (pre soundscan change)
truth be told PE was cross over considering they were had a lot of support from hollywood and industry (grammies). Plenty of white fan base just like the more popular rappers. Still, they never topped the chart because conscious music just wasnt as popular as the light stuff "back in the day" like delusional old heads will have you believe. that's my point. At this point it doesn't seem like we disagree, you even posted sources that said other rap groups started to dominate after the change. none of those were PE. so you can nit pick whatever reason you wish but 1) those reason also apply to other rap artist who did better than PE and 2) numbers will show that they still weren't quite as popular after industry changes
if anything they fell off 
other than that, it seems like we agree that Pop rap was more popular than conscious music. PE was a bit of both of those so there was no excuse for the not to be on top of the chart other than other acts were more popular lol.
if you think im too young to speak on it thats fine. but im not the only one in the thread that has pointed this out. and ive pointed you to those old head responses that agree with my point
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Cave Savage
Feminist
I was cleaning out the house of a retired white cop and he had Public Enemy CDs 
bourgeoisie tall freak
Superstar
I was cleaning out the house of a retired white cop and he had Public Enemy CDs
they had the white audience for sure. its just old head delusion (or just typical rap fan narcissism where one thinks they represent an artists typical fanbase lol) to think they didn't benefit from "white people/stores/industry" just the same as any pop rap act. rick rubin was producing them the same way he did beasties. the only difference was the content just wasn't as popular!
The Amerikkkan Idol
The Amerikkkan Nightmare
The picture is a relatively recent picture but do you really think a bunch of middle aged men started liking PE all of a sudden in the 2000s? Of course not lol, they are probably old fans just like you trying to relive their childhood lol. if you want to be obtuse about it i'll post an old school video lol. crowd full of white fans (pre soundscan change)
crowd full of europeans (pre soundscan change)
photo from the 90s (pre soundscan change)
truth be told PE was cross over considering they were had a lot of support from hollywood and industry (grammies). Plenty of white fan base just like the more popular rappers. Still, they never topped the chart because conscious music just wasnt as popular as the light stuff "back in the day" like delusional old heads will have you believe. that's my point. At this point it doesn't seem like we disagree, you even posted sources that said other rap groups started to dominate after the change. none of those were PE. so you can nit pick whatever reason you wish but 1) those reason also apply to other rap artist who did better than PE and 2) numbers will show that they still weren't quite as popular after industry changes
other than that, it seems like we agree that Pop rap was more popular than conscious music. PE was a bit of both of those so there was no excuse for the not to be on top of the chart other than other acts were more popular lol.
if you think im too young to speak on it thats fine. but im not the only one in the thread that has pointed this out. and ive pointed you to those old head responses that agree with my point
they had the white audience for sure. its just old head delusion (or just typical rap fan narcissism where one thinks they represent an artists typical fanbase lol) to think they didn't benefit from "white people/stores/industry" just the same as any pop rap act. rick rubin was producing them the same way he did beasties. the only difference was the content just wasn't as popular!
Dude, I just posted you proof from industry insiders who say that Hip-Hop was PURPOSELY SUPPRESSED and yet you still don't get it.
There's a difference between having White fans and being fukking Hammer.
There's a difference between having some Alternative rock fans buy you shyt (shyt like Alernative rock was also being oppressed, which you'd know if you'd read the article) and being Paula fukking Abdul.
You just think that it's magical that before Soundscan that NWA couldn't get higher than 37 on the charts, but afterwards 3 years later they end up 1? "Straight Outta Compton" was more popular than "nikkaz4Life" was, and you'd know that if you were actually there.
Like I said, you don't know how many Black people's records were being counted, just like we don't know how many records "Rapper's Delight" actually sold for that same reason.
Talking to you is like talking to those White people who don't think racism exists because Obama was president, "But, but, if Amerikkka was racist, how come Obama/Oprah/LeBron's doing so well".
There are always exceptions, but in general the business worked the way I told showed you it did.
bourgeoisie tall freak
Superstar
no i get it but you are trying to cherry pic which hip hop act was suppressed to make an excuse for why PE never topped the chart. if hip hop was suppressed than the groups who were already doing better than PE would have done even better as well, and not all of them were pure pop rap but most were. thats why PE never topped the chart even after it opened up.
as long as you recognize that "there are exceptions", which is pretty much my point. those exceptions were more popular because of the content. conscious based music was never as popular as other subgenres old heads would have you believe when they rant about these days
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