ABlackMan
Superstar
Sound like 50 cent honestly
How much more proof do R&B singers need that their fans don't want to hear them rap.
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Sound like 50 cent honestly
Jimmy Two-Times™
Coli Mods Catch Me If U Can Forgive Me Imma Ridah™
If this was true Miguel would be a bigger artist...
The kids and white people don’t want to hear black artists sing like back in the day
666 ReVeNGe 666
TROLL IS LIFE
I hate singers that rap.
So trash.
I also hate singers who just sing rap lyrics.
So trash.
I also hate singers who just sing rap lyrics.
666 ReVeNGe 666
TROLL IS LIFE
I hate singers that rap.
So trash.
I also hate singers who just sing rap lyrics.
So trash.
I also hate singers who just sing rap lyrics.
The people in the OP actual R&B is selling
Daniel Ceaser isn’t big enough to go gold. He’s on the right path
This is an expectation and even then it’s not more revered than Don’t and Exchange
Miguel music isn’t good enough.
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first off they can't sing
second off they can't write
no need take it any farther
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second off they can't write
no need take it any farther
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Kenny West
Veteran
Really have no idea what you're basing this off of...I guess other than being reactionary to bey's streaming numbers
Most of the people you named leaned heavily into hip hop to take themselves to the next level or rebuild their career.
Bryson debuted with a plat making this music, don't know why he's on there.
Trey really blew up coming into dropping ready off his mixtape material and features doing the same shyt OP complaining about. Mind you he was 2 really good albums deep but not that popular before leaning into rap. Invented sex, successful, say ahh, sex room etc.
After Rihanna, Chris Brown's career was on life support. Pop and RnB shyt was flopping. Dude gets hiphop on the mixtape shyt (In my zone, fan of a fan) and slowly gets his swag back. Fast forward a few years and his RnB material now bricking left and right (x, royalty, whatever his new shyt is called) and the only time he churns out hits is on some rap shyt....I mean his last album had 43 songs nobody gives af about but the most popping one was him rapping with kodak black and a boogie
And then there's the legion of rappers building careers off catalogs full of the same type of music with a fraction of the singing talent (sometimes assisted by autotune: Drake, late kanye, trippe redd, swae lee, tory lanez, lil uzi, future, cudi.... the list goes on for miles.
I mean the whole melodically talking shyt is pretty much sza music in a nutshell....1 star
Most of the people you named leaned heavily into hip hop to take themselves to the next level or rebuild their career.
Bryson debuted with a plat making this music, don't know why he's on there.
Trey really blew up coming into dropping ready off his mixtape material and features doing the same shyt OP complaining about. Mind you he was 2 really good albums deep but not that popular before leaning into rap. Invented sex, successful, say ahh, sex room etc.
After Rihanna, Chris Brown's career was on life support. Pop and RnB shyt was flopping. Dude gets hiphop on the mixtape shyt (In my zone, fan of a fan) and slowly gets his swag back. Fast forward a few years and his RnB material now bricking left and right (x, royalty, whatever his new shyt is called) and the only time he churns out hits is on some rap shyt....I mean his last album had 43 songs nobody gives af about but the most popping one was him rapping with kodak black and a boogie
And then there's the legion of rappers building careers off catalogs full of the same type of music with a fraction of the singing talent (sometimes assisted by autotune: Drake, late kanye, trippe redd, swae lee, tory lanez, lil uzi, future, cudi.... the list goes on for miles.
I mean the whole melodically talking shyt is pretty much sza music in a nutshell....1 star
Supreme365
Superstar
It works when it’s a novelty, but nobody wants to hear it consistently.
Over time it goes from “Damn, Chris Brown is rapping“
to
“Damn, Chris Brown is rapping :depressedmessi:“
That song with him busta and Wayne is so fukking wack
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
considered making a thread but i'll drop this here:
so thinking back through my lifetime, r&b artists from the 80's-00's (toni, BIIM, janet, whitney, mariah, de barge, donnell jones, joe, r kelly, mjb, faith, etc. ending with artists like alicia keys, beyonce prior to her self titled album, and usher) were consumed by kids to the super grown. since about 08, newer r&b artists have leaned on sounds and content that has little appeal beyond their immediate generation.
this is an issue when you're mainly only consumed by one demographic – tho in the 90's, r&b dominated the charts, it clearly had mass appeal. since r&b has gone back to mainly being consumed by blacks, how do you alienate basically everyone who is ~10+ years older than you and make music (some) parents won't let their kids listen to? this seems like another reason industry heads could lean on that "no demand" excuse as well as a reason newer artists can't find sustained or major success.
this ties into the whole vulgarity/rapping/too much hip hop influence/hateful lyrics (i.e. HOH/"i hate men" music) complaints
so thinking back through my lifetime, r&b artists from the 80's-00's (toni, BIIM, janet, whitney, mariah, de barge, donnell jones, joe, r kelly, mjb, faith, etc. ending with artists like alicia keys, beyonce prior to her self titled album, and usher) were consumed by kids to the super grown. since about 08, newer r&b artists have leaned on sounds and content that has little appeal beyond their immediate generation.
this is an issue when you're mainly only consumed by one demographic – tho in the 90's, r&b dominated the charts, it clearly had mass appeal. since r&b has gone back to mainly being consumed by blacks, how do you alienate basically everyone who is ~10+ years older than you and make music (some) parents won't let their kids listen to? this seems like another reason industry heads could lean on that "no demand" excuse as well as a reason newer artists can't find sustained or major success.
this ties into the whole vulgarity/rapping/too much hip hop influence/hateful lyrics (i.e. HOH/"i hate men" music) complaints
Negged.
I don't even want to get into HOAFM because, I've defended it multiple times. But you're saying the "X" album was a flop?Really have no idea what you're basing this off of...I guess other than being reactionary to bey's streaming numbers
Most of the people you named leaned heavily into hip hop to take themselves to the next level or rebuild their career.
Bryson debuted with a plat making this music, don't know why he's on there.
Trey really blew up coming into dropping ready off his mixtape material and features doing the same shyt OP complaining about. Mind you he was 2 really good albums deep but not that popular before leaning into rap. Invented sex, successful, say ahh, sex room etc.
After Rihanna, Chris Brown's career was on life support. Pop and RnB shyt was flopping. Dude gets hiphop on the mixtape shyt (In my zone, fan of a fan) and slowly gets his swag back. Fast forward a few years and his RnB material now bricking left and right (x, royalty, whatever his new shyt is called) and the only time he churns out hits is on some rap shyt....I mean his last album had 43 songs nobody gives af about but the most popping one was him rapping with kodak black and a boogie
And then there's the legion of rappers building careers off catalogs full of the same type of music with a fraction of the singing talent (sometimes assisted by autotune: Drake, late kanye, trippe redd, swae lee, tory lanez, lil uzi, future, cudi.... the list goes on for miles.
I mean the whole melodically talking shyt is pretty much sza music in a nutshell....1 star
ucanthandlethetruth
Failure is not a option
You have almost negative 10,000 rep. How much more proof do you need that we don’t want you making threads anymore?
Really have no idea what you're basing this off of...I guess other than being reactionary to bey's streaming numbers
Most of the people you named leaned heavily into hip hop to take themselves to the next level or rebuild their career.
Bryson debuted with a plat making this music, don't know why he's on there.
Trey really blew up coming into dropping ready off his mixtape material and features doing the same shyt OP complaining about. Mind you he was 2 really good albums deep but not that popular before leaning into rap. Invented sex, successful, say ahh, sex room etc.
After Rihanna, Chris Brown's career was on life support. Pop and RnB shyt was flopping. Dude gets hiphop on the mixtape shyt (In my zone, fan of a fan) and slowly gets his swag back. Fast forward a few years and his RnB material now bricking left and right (x, royalty, whatever his new shyt is called) and the only time he churns out hits is on some rap shyt....I mean his last album had 43 songs nobody gives af about but the most popping one was him rapping with kodak black and a boogie
And then there's the legion of rappers building careers off catalogs full of the same type of music with a fraction of the singing talent (sometimes assisted by autotune: Drake, late kanye, trippe redd, swae lee, tory lanez, lil uzi, future, cudi.... the list goes on for miles.
I mean the whole melodically talking shyt is pretty much sza music in a nutshell....1 star
I think you are taking many of those situations out of context,I followed Trey from the beggining. He gained more success slowly,like new artist are supposed to. He gained traction after "Cant Help But Wait" and "Last Time" which are true rnb records. Then he came back with the 3rd album and blew up off Invented Sex which is more rnb than hiphop.
Chris Brown mad his comeback off "No Bullshyt" that came from the mixtape,but is a rnb record. Then he came back with Dueces that cemented it,which is a rnb record. The singles that really gave those guys life were rnb records! So none of them needed to "lean in to rap" to do what they did.
Here you have a point,but we don't know what this proves other than people have learned to accept and tolerate it because theres a legion of people doing it,and it has become standard. What you are missing is that It has become a standard for rnb because rnb singers have CHOSEN to dumb themselves down to the level of rappers and use basic ass writing,less instrumentation,because they see it CAN be profitable and its much easier to make. Where have we seen this before though? Remember rappers dumbing themselves down swearing fans were dumb,and just wanted to party and didn't want to hear lyrical rap? But then artist like Kendrick and Jcole proved fans will actually buy and support music that sounds like artist took more time and thought into crafting it. Sure young fans are okay listening to that style of rnb because its the norm for them and what they grew up on. Doesn't mean they are stupid and wouldn't support music that showed greater singing talent and musicality behind it. I can 100% guarantee,not only would they support it more than they are supporting the trippie redds,swae lees,torey lanez,lil uzis of the world. BUt just like with hiphop,older fans who had a higher standard,would also support just like we did with Kendrick. RNB isn't meant to be for certain age groups,yet RNB singers are alienating entire generations of potential supporters by not making real rnb. All in order to fill up clubs for a little while,have singles downloaded,and make quick 360 obligated money for their label.