How serious is ghostwriting in HipHop ?

[1-8-7-Skillz]

Wanted to so this thread for a long time now, so how serious you think it is ?
I think almost every rapper in the game has at some Points of his career had verses/songs written for him by other Artists/writers or will in the future if they are completely new in the game (and earn at least a lil bit of succes/a career).
While its absolutely not ok to let all of your shyt be completely written by someone else, I think very few rappers are writing 100% of their shyt for all of their career.
So its pretty Safe to say for me that pretty much everyones fav rapper has at some Point had help with some Pieces of his work, be it due to writers block, being busy with other things and having to Meet deadlines with songs/Albums etc etc

So whats your opinion ?

 

[PhonZhi]

Yea, its always happened to a certain extent except its never been brought into our (fans) consciousness until recently.

If the whole Drake/Meek thing never happened, this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[Harry B]

I never thought that reference tracks with rap bars existed for people who can write their owns songs.

But reference tracks with hooks and some flow or something has existed, just look at videos of producers introducing beats to rappers like Kanye to Jay, or Pharrell to Jay. Most definitely hooks and shyt. But actual bars, never thought of it until Drake did it, not even Kanye. I imagined that Kanye had some coaching or people giving opinions and shyt.

But I heard a Snoop Dogg interview where he talked about how they worked back in the death row days and he said that he would spit Kurupt bars and vice versa, but they were in a group so that kinda makes sense.

 

[1-8-7-Skillz]

I never thought that reference tracks with rap bars existed for people who can write their owns songs.

But reference tracks with hooks and some flow or something has existed, just look at videos of producers introducing beats to rappers like Kanye to Jay, or Pharrell to Jay. Most definitely hooks and shyt. But actual bars, never thought of it until Drake did it, not even Kanye. I imagined that Kanye had some coaching or people giving opinions and shyt.

But I heard a Snoop Dogg interview where he talked about how they worked back in the death row days and he said that he would spit Kurupt bars and vice versa, but they were in a group so that kinda makes sense.

I think I also heard that interview and it also Makes Sense to me, in another interview (dont know with who that was unfortunately) i heard something bout rappers & Their Crews sometimes giving verses to each other when they didn't know what to do with those verses themselves and they actually fit in someone Elses song Concept.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Its the most normal thing ever.

Especially if you are a revenue source for a label.

This is how it goes.

When you first get on since you are fresh, new and creative a lot of your work is often given to the rappers that have great money making potential and are on an album run (look at Torey Lanez writing for Meek, Jay Elect writing for Nas, Weeknd writing for Drake, Young Chris writing for Jayz, Wale writing for Ross)

After you are established and you start becoming a little redundant with how you approach songs you start taking ideas and songs from the new fresh artist

Rinse & Repeat since forever

 

[u mad son?]

Ghostwriting is fraud shyt ... unless your boy/crew tells u a line or some vocab thats ill ... you can get away with it because thats your people, eg. same way Wu members fed each other lines or when DPG were lowkey writing rhymes for alot of westcoast dudes

other than that, ghostwriting is fukking wack

 

[SunZoo]

As somebody who's done some ghost writing my perspective on it is that you can't vie for rap supremacy if you aren't writing your own raps. There is a difference though between working in groups and getting input for songs or even projects you're doing together and essentially being a performance artist.

 

[CrimsonTider]

As somebody who's done some ghost writing my perspective on it is that you can't vie for rap supremacy if you aren't writing your own raps. There is a difference though between working in groups and getting input for songs or even projects you're doing together and essentially being a performance artist.

What in the hell is rap supremecy?

 

[Ziggiy]

As somebody who's done some ghost writing my perspective on it is that you can't vie for rap supremacy if you aren't writing your own raps. There is a difference though between working in groups and getting input for songs or even projects you're doing together and essentially being a performance artist.

As someone whose ghostwritten I want to ask you...

1). Do you personally lose respect for the artists you ghostwrite for? Are we talking full songs or a line or two

2). Why do rappers resort to using ghost writers? Lack of talent? Lack of time?

3). Do rappers personally feel any type of trepidation with using ghost writers? Does anybody give a damn about their reputations as lyricists?

4). Do YOU ever feel any type of way about ghostwriting? I always imagined another nikka getting shine off of another man's pen must feel kind of shytty. I mean how the fukk can Quentin Miller write entire hit SONGS for Drake and then watch Drake proclaim himself a top tier MC?

 

[CrimsonTider]

As someone whose ghostwritten I want to ask you...

1). Do you personally lose respect for the artists you ghostwrite for? Are we talking full songs or a line or two

2). Why do rappers resort to using ghost writers? Lack of talent? Lack of time?

3). Do rappers personally feel any type of trepidation with using ghost writers? Does anybody give a damn about their reputations as lyricists?

4). Do YOU ever feel any type of way about ghostwriting? I always imagined another nikka getting shine off of another man's pen must feel kind of shytty. I mean how the fukk can Quentin Miller write entire hit SONGS for Drake and then watch Drake proclaim himself a top tier MC?

Believe @SunZoo really has some credibility

 

[GreenGrass]

ghostwriting is the thing in 2016

 

[MIKE SPLEAN]

Why can't Drake fans accept that Drake got exposed? Just let it die out by not talking about it because it looks really insecure.

 

[SunZoo]

As someone whose ghostwritten I want to ask you...

1). Do you personally lose respect for the artists you ghostwrite for? Are we talking full songs or a line or two

2). Why do rappers resort to using ghost writers? Lack of talent? Lack of time?

3). Do rappers personally feel any type of trepidation with using ghost writers? Does anybody give a damn about their reputations as lyricists?

4). Do YOU ever feel any type of way about ghostwriting?

1. Never written for anybody I was a fan of. And I mostly got hit up for lines/verses, nothing major.

2. I would say both but not everybody is in the game for that, for the craft, the art, the competition. I feel like if that's not you then cool, just don't posture yourself like that's the case or try to build your credibility off of that.

3. If they didn't give a damn nikkas would be upfront on some Eazy E shyt and tell you who wrote their rhymes while they were spittin them, the shyt is taboo for a reason, but that might be changing. The whole Drake situation opens the door for rappers being able to avoid getting Vanilla Iced for not being authentic.

4. I did on both ends actually. I didn't like the idea of writing pools where artists farm songs from up and comers. I also didn't like feeling pressured into spitting other people's shyt because they were more party/commercially oriented or didn't necessarily have the voice.

As for QM I think you could hear his frustration in some of his own music but some people are content with that. The ones that really do it like that would rather everybody shut the fukk up about it so they can keep caking

 

[Sauce Dab]

Ghostwriting has been a thing forever and it's not a big deal. That Meek/Drake thing gave us a lot of piff fukkery but sometimes I wish it never happened because people have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to writing, credits etc.

 

[The Fire]

been around forever