How serious is ghostwriting in HipHop ?

[Murkman]

Another lil fact about ghostwriting is that Snoop back in the death row days wrote for daz. On dogg food kurupt wrote a majority of his material and snoop was also involved in the writing.
Also "I Dont Hang" by Soopafly was written by Kurupt.

If you're in a crew, and all of you co-writing or ghostwrite verses for another, that should be excused due to a group's overall songwriting approach. If they wrote the vast majority of their own material, but wanted the edge on a group track, it's plausible to understand why they may exchange writing duties.

Now if we're talking "Summer Camp OVO Tent" level fukkery on some Pink Market shyt (I would say "Black Market", but that entire crew is vaginal), where NONE of those nikkas can rap, that's a huge difference.

 

[Murkman]

Ma$e wrote that and i think a guest verse for B.I.G.

The track that was always debatable, and i heard that Lupe wrote Allure, which is funny because Jay said that that's his favorite track.

I heard that this dude called Freck Billionaire wrote for Fabolous.
Rhymefest wrote Jesus Walks for Kanye, also a few other verses.

I heard from a few dudes form the west that this dude they called Corey otherwise known as Deadly Threat wrote A LOT of 2Pac's verses, and that everyone kept quiet because Suge already killed a nikka that told someone about how Threat wrote for Pac.

Crooked I wrote for Kurupt i think

Given Hov inspired a huge part of Lupe's writing and rapping style, I'm inclined to disagree on that rumor based on him having way more experience as a ghost writer himself than Lupe.

Fabolous having one, is outright he's always kept that same rapping style since his earliest freestyles. You can point out his main rhyme scheme method miles away. Anyone who rhymes like him or DOOM, don't need nikkas with struggle come up names like that to pen a verse.

Pac wrote so many verses, nikkas still rag on him for the "Plenty be/enemies/replenishing/Hennessy" rhyme group he favors so much.
No ghostwriter could've kept up with the speed of his work ethic, knocking songs sometimes 1 take only at a time.

Something are rumors, but in their cases they must have overly dedicated haters who never liked how they write.

 

[Murkman]

It's show business, common industry practice there's a lot of threads on here on the subject and some older posters with industry ties have exposed some secrets. The first rap hit was ghostwritten.

The other day Honorable SKJ spoke on Skillz and a NY mixtape rapper who he did not name writing for Ma$e on Harlem World I'm guessing Cardan, not to mention verses lifted from Cam'ron from the Children of the Corn days both guys recycled verses. Ma$e wrote B.I.G.'s verse on 112's Only You and supposedly wrote his verse on Mo Money, Mo Problems too.

Art Barr has spoken on MC Juice writing Summertime and not Rakim for Will Smith. He's spoken on Gillie and Mikkey Halstead ghostwriting for Wayne (he sued Cash Money). Nicki also has writing credit on Lollipop and Drake on I'm Single.

There was a producer out there who claimed to have wrote verses on Jay's B*tches and Sisters. Also, the rumor that Lupe wrote on The Black Album exposed by one of Lupe's mans. Ma$e has writing credit on I Just Wanna Love U.

There was a thread on here talking about Stat Quo, Yung Berg, Roscoe Dash, Skeme, Kid Ink, Ty $ being major industry ghostwriters.

Skeme confirmed it himself, he wrote Iggy's verses to Fancy, damn shame because that was one time I sorta thought she had style. Then when I realized she never raps over Hyphy beats, that affirmed the sudden change in style.

http://dlisted.com/2015/03/25/a-rapper-named-skeme-claims-that-he-wrote-fancy-

 

[El Vato]

Wanted to so this thread for a long time now, so how serious you think it is ?
I think almost every rapper in the game has at some Points of his career had verses/songs written for him by other Artists/writers or will in the future if they are completely new in the game (and earn at least a lil bit of succes/a career).
While its absolutely not ok to let all of your shyt be completely written by someone else, I think very few rappers are writing 100% of their shyt for all of their career.
So its pretty Safe to say for me that pretty much everyones fav rapper has at some Point had help with some Pieces of his work, be it due to writers block, being busy with other things and having to Meet deadlines with songs/Albums etc etc

So whats your opinion ?

I'm old school and know that hip hop is life culturally. This is what the new school forget. Before MC's were beatdown for stealing or using verses not by them. I guess it's ok now to just be ghost or not be about what you are. This started from the streets. Now you playing the game of the industry.

 

[1-8-7-Skillz]

I'm old school and know that hip hop is life culturally. This is what the new school forget. Before MC's were beatdown for stealing or using verses not by them. I guess it's ok now to just be ghost or not be about what you are. This started from the streets. Now you playing the game of the industry.

I absolutely dislike how its going in the industry but im just realistic about it

 

[SunZoo]

I absolutely dislike how its going in the industry but im just realistic about it

Which is why you put the industry shyt to the left and leave the rap/rappers discussion skill based.

Like I said, PED's are taboo...they should be taboo, Barry Bonds is still one of the GOATS but that doesn't mean we should encourage people to take enhancers to be like him. Be realistic about it but don't encourage or celebrate it because people from outside the culture will take what wiggle room you give them on that front and max that shyt out.

Tentception leads to all kinda dumb shyt...and kids will eat it up because it's "good music" like there aren't actual formulas for what makes a hit song. Pretty soon they won't even need "us" to make our music.

 

[1-8-7-Skillz]

Which is why you put the industry shyt to the left and leave the rap/rappers discussion skill based.

Like I said, PED's are taboo...they should be taboo, Barry Bonds is still one of the GOATS but that doesn't mean we should encourage people to take enhancers to be like him. Be realistic about it but don't encourage or celebrate it because people from outside the culture will take what wiggle room you give them on that front and max that shyt out.

Tentception leads to all kinda dumb shyt...and kids will eat it up because it's "good music" like there aren't actual formulas for what makes a hit song. Pretty soon they won't even need "us" to make our music.

Just checked the first page and read you actually did some ghostwriting in the industry yourself ?

 

[SunZoo]

Just checked the first page and read you actually did some ghostwriting in the industry yourself ?

Nothing serious, had nikkas hitting me up for verses, sat in with some groups to help cats out, not really "the industry", nobody you probably heard of.

The day I got asked to recite another nikkas raps was the day I was like



I'm like ok, I'm dealing with some suckas here. To me it sounded like he was more so trying to trick some lil nikkas in to writing raps for him...he was even telling these nikkas to sell dope to "fund raise".

Yes sir Mr. Rap dude we'll write for you and sell drugs to fund your album.

 

[1-8-7-Skillz]

Nothing serious, had nikkas hitting me up for verses, sat in with some groups to help cats out, not really "the industry", nobody you probably heard of.

The day I got asked to recite another nikkas raps was the day I was like



I'm like ok, I'm dealing with some suckas here. To me it sounded like he was more so trying to trick some lil nikkas in to writing raps for him...he was even telling these nikkas to sell dope to "fund raise".

Yes sir Mr. Rap dude we'll write for you and sell drugs to fund your album.

Interesting nonetheless
I think that shyt is also goin on with the big Artists

 

[Murkman]

Nothing serious, had nikkas hitting me up for verses, sat in with some groups to help cats out, not really "the industry", nobody you probably heard of.

The day I got asked to recite another nikkas raps was the day I was like



I'm like ok, I'm dealing with some suckas here. To me it sounded like he was more so trying to trick some lil nikkas in to writing raps for him...he was even telling these nikkas to sell dope to "fund raise".

Yes sir Mr. Rap dude we'll write for you and sell drugs to fund your album.

That's why I don't believe it when nikkas on here speculate and p*ssyfoot all the time, that EVERY RAPPER uses ghosts.
Legends, especially Infamous ghostwriters themselves wouldn't need assistance from lower-tier writers - essentially to suggest that they need a new "Rap writing style".

I know this site likes avoiding Rap aspects, but rhyme comparisons are one way to easily do away with rumors the Booth complains about.

 

[SunZoo]

That's why I don't believe it when nikkas on here speculate and p*ssyfoot all the time, that EVERY RAPPER uses ghosts.
Legends, especially Infamous ghostwriters themselves wouldn't need assistance from lower-tier writers - essentially to suggest that they need a new "Rap writing style".

I know this site likes avoiding Rap aspects, but rhyme comparisons are one way to easily do away with rumors the Booth complains about.

Like I said...it should be taboo but it happens. Writing pools are a thing, even for cats who COULD write their own shyt but encouraging/celebrating it out in the open? fukk that...I already know where it leads to. I don't usually like "slippery slope" arguments but I think it's appropriate in this context because the profit motive is at the center.

He ain't have to handle it like he did but I don't think Joey was lying about rappers picking and pulling from writing pools, especially for singles...that does NOT mean we should encourage that or penalize an MC that doesn't feel like he should rank beneath somebody who's utilizing the tents.

 

[1-8-7-Skillz]

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