¤¤¤ How Soon Should She Give It Up? ¤¤¤

[Turbulent]

she should be herself and have sex when she's ready and let the chips fall where they may. where women fukk up is that they try to play too many games with sex to seem like this or seem like that. i personally don't mind not having sex if the girl isn't ready. the last thing i want to do is have sex with a girl who's not sure if she wants to or not. it's not the "not having sex" that's bothering me. it's when they try to act like it's a prize or something i should work towards. this is where the resentment comes from for a lot of men IMO.

where a lot of men fukk up is that we see it like a puzzle to solve and it becomes a game of us against the women. once it becomes a game and she feels it, then both parties put their shields up. it becomes about who can get the most from the other side while giving up the least. instead it should have been about cooperation and how we can both give to eachother and make sure no one feels played or taken advantage of. cause deep down, if both are attracted to eachother, chances are they both want to have sex with eachother and they both want to chill/hang out with eachother as well on some level.









tl;dr: no set time, just stop playing, be real and stop using sex to manipulate perception.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

she should be herself and have sex when she's ready and let the chips fall where they may. where women fukk up is that they try to play too many games with sex to seem like this or seem like that. i personally don't mind not having sex if the girl isn't ready. the last thing i want to do is have sex with a girl who's not sure if she wants to or not. it's not the "not having sex" that's bothering me. it's when they try to act like it's a prize or something i should work towards. this is where the resentment comes from for a lot of men IMO.

where a lot of men fukk up is that we see it like a puzzle to solve and it becomes a game of us against the women. once it becomes a game and she feels it, then both parties put their shields up. it becomes about who can get the most from the other side while giving up the least. instead it should have been about cooperation and how we can both give to eachother and make sure no one feels played or taken advantage of. cause deep down, if both are attracted to eachother, chances are they both want to have sex with eachother and they both want to chill/hang out with eachother as well on some level.









tl;dr: no set time, just stop playing, be real and stop using sex to manipulate perception.

my favorite answer

 

[StickStickly]

I agree with the bold.

Not sure about the rest

I think women should date mutliple males until one agrees to be monog. I don't think dating one and fcking someone else is right. It's like people are being used. That also doesn't sound like a good start of a healthy relationship.

the weird thing is I just learned from all these threads is that men think the one in the relationship is being used and the one who is getting only sex is the lucky one when we are raised to think it's the other way around. If they're not getting sex they think the woman doesn't really care. never realized they thought like that, like they truly don't value a relationship at all.

 

[Voice of Reason]

she should be herself and have sex when she's ready and let the chips fall where they may. where women fukk up is that they try to play too many games with sex to seem like this or seem like that. i personally don't mind not having sex if the girl isn't ready. the last thing i want to do is have sex with a girl who's not sure if she wants to or not. it's not the "not having sex" that's bothering me. it's when they try to act like it's a prize or something i should work towards. this is where the resentment comes from for a lot of men IMO.

where a lot of men fukk up is that we see it like a puzzle to solve and it becomes a game of us against the women. once it becomes a game and she feels it, then both parties put their shields up. it becomes about who can get the most from the other side while giving up the least. instead it should have been about cooperation and how we can both give to eachother and make sure no one feels played or taken advantage of. cause deep down, if both are attracted to eachother, chances are they both want to have sex with eachother and they both want to chill/hang out with eachother as well on some level.









tl;dr: no set time, just stop playing, be real and stop using sex to manipulate perception.

But to be fair to the ladies most brehs do see sex as a prize that they should work towards.


And I would argue that is somewhat natural


All throughout nature the male has to earn the right to mate.

 

[Youseenmywork]

But to be fair to the ladies most brehs do see sex as a prize that they should work towards.


And I would argue that is somewhat natural


All throughout nature the male has to earn the right to mate.

My thing is when did the dikk become lesser than the vagina thoe ?

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

My thing is when did the dikk become lesser than the vagina thoe ?

When dudes started offering it to anything that moves

 

[Voice of Reason]

My thing is when did the dikk become lesser than the vagina thoe ?

Men are less selective of who we will have sex with

 

[Voice of Reason]

the weird thing is I just learned from all these threads is that men think the one in the relationship is being used and the one who is getting only sex is the lucky one when we are raised to think it's the other way around. If they're not getting sex they think the woman doesn't really care. never realized they thought like that, like they truly don't value a relationship at all.

It's not that we don't value relationships it's that on some level men have to earn the right (work) for sex. On a baseline level we're competing with other males for sexual access and that is where our ego comes into play. When you make one guy wait because you don't want to rush things as a result of taking him seriously but smashes the other dude early that you don't see a future with, it is a slap in the face to the first guy. No matter how much we try to normalize casual sex and female sexual liberation, it doesn't change the fact that men see sex as something to be earned. And when you make one person work harder to get something than another, hard feelings come into play and resentment builds.

 

[DrBanneker]

I personally am not judgmental towards people and their sexual habits, but here are my two cents:

I think that the right time is when both sides are ready for it. For dudes who have unrealistic time limits (i.e. 3 dates), it doesn't mean you have swag, just you are too thirsty and aren't discerning. Most guys can wait out within reason for a girl they really dig. If you just want to get laid but don't get mad if things go sideways.

Me personally, I actually would purposefully not jump into the sack for at least two months or so. Mainly because

1) I was more discerning about women and I only went after women with multiple attributes I liked - not just some girl with a big ass or nice face. It made the investment in time more worthwhile. I didn't feel like wasting time with dumb bish I knew I wouldn't care about after busting my nut

2) I detest materialistic/big spending/psycho/conceited chicks. I need to give myself 1-2 months to get past the initial fake dating stage where everyone puts up a front, looks nice, tries to sound intelligent etc. Eventually the mask slips and I can see if it is worth my time or if I should bail. Also, I can tell the type of chicks who are going to think they 'own' me or I owe them something if I get p*ssy. Whatever

3) I know too many guys who have gotten trapped with kids or STDs. I don't know why dudes go raw with someone they haven't even known a month. Even with protection though, I became extra cautious about the coochie I dove into

4) Sex does distort relationships. I have seem too many dudes get caught up (or even married) to chicks whose bomb p*ssy clouded their judgment on her other (usually negative) attributes. Trust me on this: a good woman is worth putting the effort in to improve sex, a bad woman isn't worth the effort no matter how good she rides it. Part of the whole 'good sex' problem anyway is people (men and women) don't communicate these days. The average girl, who you have a good relationship with, can learn the things you like and do it for you. Unless she has anatomic issues that make you a mismatch or isn't physically attractive, she can learn to do it right. Dudes want a girl that is the shyt in bed on the first lay and then say they don't want someone with a body count. EDIT: yeah, larger sexually compatibility can be a deal breaker if you two just aren't compatible, but this is different than "good on the first lay"

 

[Mac Brown]

When dudes started offering it to anything that moves

So the beginning of mankind. And if we men weren't like this the majority of everyone would not have been born.

 

[Rozay Oro]

The logic is the longer I wait for p*ssy the more fire it better be.

A fukk on the first date has no expectations however if she can make a guy wait for 90 days then sparks better shoot out her ass when he hit

Real shyt, I don't want to hear "my mouth hurts" after a few mins of her sucking my dikk.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

So the beginning of mankind. And if we men weren't like this the majority of everyone would not have been born.

I think people could still be born if the majority of you had standards.

 

[Pineal Gland]

@BlackPearl which one did you vote for?

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

@BlackPearl which one did you vote for?

I picked 'when the time is right'.

But I was thinking 6 months to a year. How do you feel about that?

 

[DrBanneker]

I think people could still be born if the majority of you had standards.

Well not to be cynical but @Mac Brown did speak some truth. In short, men as a whole will settle on the lowest possible standard---that women, by and large, will accept.

If dusty dudes with little standards and wanting sex on the first date couldn't succeed, there wouldn't be many of them. I've seen more girls, smart and dumb, mess with these dudes when they were young and then be shocked that others copy their behaviors. If you just want to get laid, why not emulate the successful?

A guy I once knew in school told me he was the "nice" guy once putting women on pedestals. But once he turned a$$hole he got laid. Granted, I didn't want all the girls he was tapping but it worked for him I guess.