How the Haitian Revolution changed America and ADOS forever

[xoxodede]

Yeah... so I appreciate y'all contributing but it's clear that you really aren't able to form an argument starting otherwise, you just 'feel' our histories shouldn't be intertwined when they already are. Some how ADOS can influence the world thru music, culture, etc... but Haitians cant cant influence geopolitics thru revolution. It'd be cool if I were but I'm NOT posing groundbreaking ideas or theories here. They're well established accounts of what happened and what it meant in the long term.

Yeah, Ok.

Again, Haitians have influenced the U.S. and Black Americans -- but my point is we will still be ADOS -- we would still be relatively the same. And my main point is - the HR did not spark the CW -- or help our ancestors get free.

Get at me - -when you are able to use your history degree. And post real sources. But, you won't.

Have a great weekend!

 

[HarlemHottie]

Based on what I can tell from the American accounts, the Haitian Revolution made our situation here more tenuous. Slave owners were scared to death, so they made harsher laws restricting our movement. I guess that's a change, not esp helpful to us, though.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Yeah... so I appreciate y'all contributing but it's clear that you really aren't able to form an argument starting otherwise, you just 'feel' our histories shouldn't be intertwined when they already are. Some how ADOS can influence the world thru music, culture, etc... but Haitians cant cant influence geopolitics thru revolution. It'd be cool if I were but I'm NOT posing groundbreaking ideas or theories here. They're well established accounts of what happened, the assessment from parties involved, and what it meant in the long term.

Your preaching to the choir breh
Just like with the other thread u made.....where do we exactly go from here. What's the point or the endgame?

 

[Mtt]

So I brought up the role the Haitian Revolution played on the United States and for some reason, people either have a hard time believing or or seeing it. I got negged/challenged to bring the debate here, so it's a bet.

I'll share a few youtube videos and links that reiterate the same point over and over again, but it's really simple:

1. The Civil War was largely over whether or not to expand slavery in the west.
2. The "west" was the Louisiana territory, by the US from France in 1803.
3. The French DID NOT give up this land for no reason. Haiti was the richest colony in the world at the time, and crucial to their plans in the "new world"
4. Haitians victory over the French dissolved any plans they had here .

Had the French defeated Haiti, cities such as St. Louis, New Orleans, etc would be under French control. We're talking trillions in resources, industrialization, trade routes on the Mississippi river would ALL be in French hands. A win for them quite would've led to France becoming the world's super power. America would be vastly different. What would the Civil War be about if not for the contention on slavery in the new west? Would there even be a war? Would they rely on slave labor even more given their limited land and resources? Would we have become a country for European immigrants to immigrate to? All these questions and more hang in the balance if Haiti lost-- and we're just talking about America here. I see it said often that immigrants should be grateful for the contributions we made that allowed them to be here-- and that's definitely true. But likewise... it's important for us to reciprocate and acknowledge what their contributions meant for our world as well.



https://www.history.com/news/louisiana-purchase-price-french-colonial-slave-rebellion

excellent point!
also Haiti helped Latin America , Greece and fought in the
HAITIAN SOLDIERS AT THE BATTLE OF SAVANNAH (1779)

Haitian Soldiers at the Battle of Savannah (1779) • BlackPast
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[xoxodede]

excellent point!
also Haiti helped Latin America , Greece and fought in the
HAITIAN SOLDIERS AT THE BATTLE OF SAVANNAH (1779)

Haitian Soldiers at the Battle of Savannah (1779) • BlackPast
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D’Estaing’s troops were mainly composed of colonial regiments coming from various locations such as Guadeloupe, Martinique, or Saint-Domingue (future Haiti). The 800 men from the French Caribbean colonies were organized into a regiment called Chasseurs-Volontaires de Saint-Domingue. These soldiers were des gens de couleurs libres (free men of color) who voluntarily joined the French colonial forces. The gens de couleur were mixed-race men of African and European origin from Saint-Domingue. They were born free and thus were distinct from free slaves or affranchis, who were born enslaved or became enslaved during their lives and then freed themselves or were freed. This distinction allowed the gens de couleur a higher social and political in the French colonial West Indies. According to the 1685 French Black Code, they had the same rights and privileges as the white colonial population. In practice, however, strong discrimination by white French colonial residents impeded the gens de couleurs from fully exercising them.​

They helped America -- and they were also not seen as "Black/Negro" - like those who remained enslaved - before and after the war.

It didn't help ADOS. But, much respect to them.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Yeah, Ok.

Again, Haitians have influenced the U.S. and Black Americans -- but my point is we will still be ADOS -- we would still be relatively the same. And my main point is - the HR did not spark the CW -- or help our ancestors get free.

Get at me - -when you are able to use your history degree. And post real sources. But, you won't.

Have a great weekend!

America as a country both physically and culturally would not be the same. That frontier mindset, etc all came as a result of the Louisiana Purchase. There may not have even BEEN an "America" by this point if it weren't for the Haitian Revolution.

For example: if France won, the contention could have easily become preserving what piece of America existed, rather than free vs slave states. What if THAT was the war and the US lost? We coulda been "French" talmbout FDOS There's too many variables to confidently say what would've happened without the HR. The only thing we can affirm is what it's success led to.

Based on what I can tell from the American accounts, the Haitian Revolution made our situation here more tenuous. Slave owners were scared to death, so they made harsher laws restricting our movement. I guess that's a change, not esp helpful to us, though.

Yall keep saying "help/ful" and I never said that, not even in the original thread. I said their revolution had an impact globally and that's true. Its not as if that's resigned to us. Britain was shook and abolished slave trade, America followed suit which might explain WHY so many wanted to expand slavery in the west, etc. Personally, it's fascinating to see the ripple effect one tiny island had on the global order in a span of 5 years.

Your preaching to the choir breh
Just like with the other thread u made.....where do we exactly go from here. What's the point or the endgame?

I was challenged to make a thread and I obliged It's a good topic

 

[xoxodede]

Ametica as a country both physically and culturally would not be the same. That frontier mindset, etc all came as a result of the Louisiana Purchase. There may not have even BEEN an "America" by this point if it weren't for the Haitian Revolution.

For example: if France won the contention could have easily become preserving what piece of America existed, rather than free vs slave states. What if THAT was the way and the US lost? There's too many variables to confidently say what would've happened without the HR. The only thing we can affirm is what it's success led to.

Yall keep saying "help/ful" and I never said that, not even in the original thread. I said their revolution had an impact globally and that's true. Its not as if that's resigned to us. Britain was shook and abolished slave trade, America followed suit which might explain WHY so many wanted to expand slavery in the west, etc. Personally, it's fascinating to see the ripple effect one tiny island had on the global order in a span of 5 years.

I was challenged to make a thread and I obliged It's a good topic

Sure. But, same can be said for Florida or Texas.

Huh? It was already "free" and "slave" states -- Louisiana didn't change that.

 

[T'krm]

See-through, fail thread, from a FB, water-carrier, consistently trying to undermine, and devalue Ados in order to secure a modicum of Panafrikanism. Not even worthy of valid response/analysis.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

See-through, fail thread, from a FB, water-carrier, consistently trying to undermine, and devalue Ados in order to secure a modicum of Panafrikanism. Not even worthy of valid response/analysis.

it has nothing to do with reparations if that's what you mean. It's a history thread. And for the third time, I was asked to make the thread.

 

[96Blue]

Based on what I can tell from the American accounts, the Haitian Revolution made our situation here more tenuous. Slave owners were scared to death, so they made harsher laws restricting our movement. I guess that's a change, not esp helpful to us, though.

I agree.

If that's the case OP was trying to make, of-course white people would be afraid if Haitians (or any other Black ethnic group) were revolting against them because they would feel like it would move other Black people to do the same thing. But, I highly doubt our ancestors knew anything about the Haitian Revolution, honestly.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

This was the contentious text.


That didn't spark the Civil War. Secession sparked the Civil War.

There were several issues that led to brink of war. Slavery expansion in the territories was one of them. The 3/5th rule giving the South an unfair advantage in Congress was another. A Democrat constantly being President was yet another.

Just catching this but each of those events were stated in succession of one another. Issa domino effect.

I agree.

If that's the case OP was trying to make, of-course white people would be afraid if Haitians (or any other Black ethnic group) were revolting against them because they would feel like it would move other Black people to do the same thing. But, I highly doubt our ancestors knew anything about the Haitian Revolution, honestly.

Of course we could never say ALL but people knew. It was undeniable even then, that's why I don't understand what the issue is here.

The uprising sent waves of fear through the communities of slave owners in the United States, and inspired some slaves there to revolt. North Americans could read regularly in newspapers of events in the Caribbean colony, and many came face to face with the impact of the revolt as waves of refugees – the largest of them in late 1791 and in mid-1793 – arrived in port cities such as Philadelphia and Charleston. Among these refugees were not only white planters and slaves, but also free people of color. The population of New Orleans actually doubled in the early 19th century from a belated wave of Saint-Domingue immigrants who had first sought refuge in Cuba; these early "Haitian Americans" of many backgrounds helped shape the culture of Louisiana.

Rediscovering Haiti's Declaration of Independence | Haiti's Revolution and the United States

Now granted, New Orleans wasn't US soil just yet, but it soon would be. Charleston is where Denmark Vesey planned his insurrection. The article ends noting the fact that the US refused to acknowledge the revolution until 1862. And here we are... in 2019... and my own lineage doesn't wanna acknowledge it's impact

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I was challenged to make a thread and I obliged It's a good topic

If im being completely honest. A part of feels like this was meant to get a rise. Especially with the timing

But you got it

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

If im being completely honest. A part of feels like this was meant to get a rise. Especially with the timing

But you got it

The fact that the very person who asked for the thread specifically in this forum is dapping this

Is that what this was meant for @xoxodede? We've debated on a ton of things but somehow THIS issue was the one I came to The Root with right??? nah lol.

We're talking about an event with global ramifications. It's not exclusive to Haiti, or ADOS, etc. The context of the thread/topic is what it meant for ADOS explicitly, but I HAVE ventured elsewhere to reaffirm the importance of the revolution. How that "gets a rise" out of you... Idk. But it's something internal that you're bringing to the thread rather than vice versa.

 

[xoxodede]

The fact that the very person who asked for the thread specifically in this forum is dapping this

Is that what this was meant for @xoxodede? We've debated on a ton of things but somehow THIS issue was the one I came to The Root with right??? nah lol.

We're talking about an event with global ramifications. It's not exclusive to Haiti, or ADOS, etc. The context of the thread/topic is what it meant for ADOS explicitly, but I HAVE ventured elsewhere to reaffirm the importance of the revolution. How that "gets a rise" out of you... Idk. But it's something internal that you're bringing to the thread rather than vice versa.

I dapped cause your comment in the other thread was meant to get a rise.

This thread and your responses just solidified my opinions.

Again - the root cause - you know what I'm gonna say.

Concern trolling.

It is what you do -- and what you are good at.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

The fact that the very person who asked for the thread specifically in this forum is dapping this

Is that what this was meant for @xoxodede? We've debated on a ton of things but somehow THIS issue was the one I came to The Root with right??? nah lol.

We're talking about an event with global ramifications. It's not exclusive to Haiti, or ADOS, etc. The context of the thread/topic is what it meant for ADOS explicitly, but I HAVE ventured elsewhere to reaffirm the importance of the revolution. How that "gets a rise" out of you... Idk. But it's something internal that you're bringing to the thread rather than vice versa.

i guess i just need to come clean and stop beating around the bush

This thread was created to say- " Hey look Ados, look at how other africans helped you. How non ados shaped and molded your existence. Stop being so mean to them in 2019 with this Divisive ados reparations stuff. "