Cavs spent more time drafting players and trading players to support LeBron and not someone who could take over a game if he's a having a bad night.
How the hell the cavs went that long without getting bron some help?
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I still say if you have to chose between the two: fukk CHAMPIONSHIPS and GET YOUR MONEY. You can have all the championships you wanted. Unless you have the money you are assed out. Plenty of broke winners out there.
See Antoine Walker
See Scottie Pippen
Both went broke (different levels of broke) under different circumstances but still broke.
- Championships wont pay for your mother's hip replacement surgery
- Championships wont put your kids through college
- Championships wont pay for your daughter's wedding
Money will
Looking at former Heat players alone who have done well financiallyas an example: Ask Matt Geiger and Jamal Mashburn if they would trade half of their current net worth for Antoine Walker's championship ring
I still say if you have to chose between the two: fukk CHAMPIONSHIPS and GET YOUR MONEY. You can have all the championships you wanted. Unless you have the money you are assed out. Plenty of broke winners out there.
See Antoine Walker
See Scottie Pippen
Both went broke (different levels of broke) under different circumstances but still broke.
- Championships wont pay for your mother's hip replacement surgery
- Championships wont put your kids through college
- Championships wont pay for your daughter's wedding
Money will
Looking at former Heat players alone who have done well financiallyas an example: Ask Matt Geiger and Jamal Mashburn if they would trade half of their current net worth for Antoine Walker's championship ring
Valid point but atrocious examples. Walker made more money than Geiger and Mashburn. He just made bad decisions financially. As far as Scottie goes its not like he willingly took less money for a title. He was just born a couple years too early.
Yeah but my point was winning a championship didnt get walker anywhere even though he made more money so i can only imagine those that "take less to win"
I'm fine with some players who have made mad money early then decide to take a bit less for the opportunity to win at the end of their careers. But You will never catch me criticising a player for going where he is being offered more money
Yup. But to be honest, he did built the team perfectly around Bron's strengths (rebounders, spot up shooters). If Booz had stayed, who knows....
Yeah, I don't think they were ultimately as bad as ppl act like they were.
They could've used another star, but at the same time they had a good amount of depth.
Bron had good teammates, but not great like he has in Miami
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Boston had more weapons and was a better defensive team than Orlando. Don't ever mention those teams in the same breath. Playoff series allows defensive teams like Boston to game plan more against one player and they took that the chance that nobody else would step...which is very obvious.You have just as many if not more tryna act like they were a championship cast. They weren't built to win titles and with players of Brons caliber that's what it's all about. People get too caught up in regular season. Everybody can't replicate regular season performance let alone go up another level in the playoffs. Championship teams are comprised of multiple playoff performers... the Cavs only had one. It wasn't so much about having a star as it was about having a Fisher, Horry, Cassell, Terry type who could be counted on to step up when needed. Heat don't win last year without key contributions from Battier, Chalmers, and Miller.
Do people really understand who was on those rosters? LeBron won 60 games w/this starting lineup
Mo Williams
Washed up Shaq
JJ Hickson
Anthony Parker
You're not winning a title w/that lineup.
"bu-bu-but they added Antwan Jamision at the trade deadline."
That wasnt the game he quit in though
It was Game 5 and he DID quit in that game.
So he quit game 5, but not game 6?
Couldn't be he just had a bad game right?
How do you not see the contradiction here?They weren't superior but they had enough to win and thusly demonstrate superiority.
Your willingness to dimiss a 20, 20, 10 triple double demosntrates that it isn't really about what actually happened but that it's more so about feelings and emotions. I realize you might have wanted/expected Bron to be superhuman and put on some performance straight out of the Mighty Ducks but that doesn't happen in the real world. With the way Rondo and KG were playing Bron would've had to go game 6 of last year every night for them to win. Like I said before his jumper wasn't there yet and the Celtics didn't have to really worry about anyone else hurting them.
I aint dismissing his triple double but I would have much rather seem him going out gunning instead of facilitating. If Bron would have balled like he did the previous year against the Magic than boys would have beat the Celts. And just cuz you have enough to beat a team in what should have been a seven game series does not mean u are superior. I equate superior to dominance and I don't think they were that I just think that series should have went down to the wire if anything. Even in 2008 without players like Mo Shaq Twan he took them to seven games and went out gunning. So I know that the effort and ability to play like I know Bron could have does exist in the real world.
He's not a gunner though. I could see if that was his natural approach but it's not. Beyond that, gunning has not necessarily proven to be a recipe for winning series. Of course the Cavs woulda won if Bron played like he did against ORL the year before, that's why the Celtics did all they could to prevent it.
You act is if the other team has nothing to do with it. I was referencing superior as in "greater than" aka what it means.
I get what you are saying though. That's just a semantic issue.In 2008 the Hawks also took them to 7 and those Cavs were much better on defense which is why they were able to make through an putrid start to the series by Bron. Spin it how you wish but you don't grab 19 fukkin rebounds without putting out some effort. Bron is an all around player at heart and especially when his shot isnt' falling or the defense is all over him he picks up his game in other areas. That series was more so about what the Celtics were doing and what Bron's "Pippens" weren't doing than Bron just deciding not to dominate.
He's not a gunner though. I could see if that was his natural approach but it's not. Beyond that, gunning has not necessarily proven to be a recipe for winning series. Of course the Cavs woulda won if Bron played like he did against ORL the year before, that's why the Celtics did all they could to prevent it.
I was referencing superior as in "greater than" aka what it means.
In 2008 the Hawks also took them to 7 and those Cavs were much better on defense which is why they were able to make through an putrid start to the series by Bron. Spin it how you wish but you don't grab 19 fukkin rebounds without putting out some effort. Bron is an all around player at heart and especially when his shot isnt' falling or the defense is all over him he picks up his game in other areas. That series was more so about what the Celtics were doing and what Bron's "Pippens" weren't doing than Bron just deciding not to dominate.
He may not be a gunner in the mold of a Kobe or MJ but I have seen him score 25 straight against the great Pistons defense and have seen him battle Paul Pierce like it was Jordan vs Nique in their primes.
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his 2nd best player was mo fukking williams
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He averaged 38, 8, 8 in 2009 against the Magic in the 2009 ECF......and they still lost in 5
I would've gotten the fukk up outta Cleveland too
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I would've gotten the fukk up outta Cleveland too
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Just some random thoughts
Lebron did quit in that series. You could tell he wanted out of cleveland during interviews and body language during the playoffs.
Getting out of Cleveland was the best thing that could of happened to him personally and professionally. Trust me,I know things
Where's all the talk of him returning coming from? Not the cavs brass
Yall ever wonder if lebron was the one gauging the cavs interest
Do you think the two camps have talked multiple times already
One of the reasons they couldn't land some of the big free agents is because players wanted lebron to sign long term first and he wouldn't.
Lebron vetoed some trades that couldve put the cavs over the top. His power in that organization was
There could be three other teams he's interested in. Two obvious,one SOMEWHAT of a shocker
I'm not getting specific so don't ask
Lebron did quit in that series. You could tell he wanted out of cleveland during interviews and body language during the playoffs.
Getting out of Cleveland was the best thing that could of happened to him personally and professionally. Trust me,I know things
Where's all the talk of him returning coming from? Not the cavs brass
Yall ever wonder if lebron was the one gauging the cavs interest
Do you think the two camps have talked multiple times already
One of the reasons they couldn't land some of the big free agents is because players wanted lebron to sign long term first and he wouldn't.
Lebron vetoed some trades that couldve put the cavs over the top. His power in that organization was
There could be three other teams he's interested in. Two obvious,one SOMEWHAT of a shocker
I'm not getting specific so don't ask