How the United States created the crisis in Honduras

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

few things

stop crying

i don't know if these people are racist or not, if they are fukk them, through I don't generalize entire countries people based on some affluent or approval seeking immigrants. There's Africans and West Indies that think they're better than black folk too, but I'll be damned if I grow to hate them just because I ran into a few c00ns with sticks up their ass.

and you say "who gives a shyt" yet you act like they have the mobility to actually improve things in their country

they can't. they've killed scores of people trying to do just that with the United States backing them, so you can't yap about who cares when that's litterally the reason they're here in the first place.

and of those millions of "illegals" being here include, Africans, Asians etc not just migos and as far as I'm concern there's a score of them living in poverty as well, which is way more comfortable than what they experience back in their native countries. There's no to little upward mobility for regular ass people, let alone immigrants when you have government that has been slashing away at social safety nets and divesting in communities for 25+ years.

and I personally don't give a fukk about no imaginary lines drawn by colonizers. borders don't make me feel any more safer. that offer nothing of value to humanity as a whole and only a fool would abide by them as if they're a necessity.

and what we claims is backed by history both past and present.

and Mexico (you know the group you and other ignoramuses like to lump in with Central Americans) also have an open hostility towards people from Latin America because of the White Mexicans in power despise them and other indigenous people of the area, they also happen to be the main ones in power so that's why they won't allow them to "build" there.

so are you trying to have a bunch of racist illegals in YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS? Who gives a shyt if the U.S. meddled in their shyt? How do you cry about the U.S., then come here trying to join the people that you claim fukked you up? LMAO...it's not just about 7000 people, millions are already here and nothing is better. Do you understand that? Millions of illegals are already here, nothing is better. So why keep letting people in? I'll wait. The U.S. still hasn't reconciled it's debt to blacks..."bu-bu-bu-but what Honduras and them bananas." What yall claim they did to Honduras is light compared to what they done to other places. LMAO at yall bleeding hearts beating for Hondurans. Why don't they chill in Mexico and build there?

 

[The Fade]

Dems and Reps are the same to me.

Neo liberals are slightly left right wingers

They love imperialism and are both funded by openly corrupt

Leftists are the anti imperialists

 

[MischievousMonkey]

Dems and Reps are the same to me.

So what did you mean when you said they didn't vote against the meddlers?

 

[8WON6]

few things

stop crying

i don't know if these people are racist or not, if they are fukk them, through I don't generalize entire countries people based on some affluent or approval seeking immigrants. There's Africans and West Indies that think they're better than black folk too, but I'll be damned if I grow to hate them just because I ran into a few c00ns with sticks up their ass.

and you say "who gives a shyt" yet you act like they have the mobility to actually improve things in their country

they can't. they've killed scores of people trying to do just that with the United States backing them, so you can't yap about who cares when that's litterally the reason they're here in the first place.

and of those millions of "illegals" being here include, Africans, Asians etc not just migos and as far as I'm concern there's a score of them living in poverty as well, which is way more comfortable than what they experience back in their native countries

and I personally don't give a fukk about no imaginary lines drawn by colonizers. borders don't make me feel any more safer. that offer nothing of value to humanity as a whole and only a fool would abide by them as if they're a necessity.

and what we claims is backed by history both past and present.

and Mexico (you know the group you and other ignoramuses like to lump in with Central Americans) also have an open hostility towards people from Latin America because of the White Mexicans in power despise them and other indigenous people of the area, they also happen to be the main ones in power so that's why they won't allow them to "build" there.

so are you trying to have them takeover your block or what? You're the one crying over some Hondurans. Yes there are Africans and West Indies that are here, but they come here via a process in limited numbers. And we can talk about how Honduras banned blacks from entering their country at one point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...society/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.237a7397d454

In embracing Lempira, Honduran nationalists not only created a cultural icon for a nation supposedly built on European and indigenous bases, but also explicitly rewrote the history of the nation’s African roots. According to the early 20th century thinkers, Honduras’ black population arrived as part of the influx of Anglophone Antillean workers for banana plantations in the late 1890s, and they remained confined to the north coast and the Bay Islands. They coupled the discursive reconfiguration of Honduran history with practical racism: Immigration laws in 1929 and 1934 banned blacks from entering the nation.

In fact, however, Honduras’ African roots are much older. People of African descent arrived in four different waves. Many Africans arrived in Honduras in the 1500s along with the first Spaniards (and may have fought against Lempira) and played a crucial role in the development of the colony and its economy.

A second African-descended population emerged — in the 1600s — from intermarriage between shipwrecked and runaway slaves and indigenous populations on the north coast. The Miskitos, as they are known, aligned themselves with the British and intermittently raided Spanish settlements. The third major influx of people of African descent came in 1797, with the arrival of the Black Carib — runaway slaves and members of the Carib indigenous group — who were deported to the Bay Islands after losing a war against England and France. These exiles moved quickly to the mainland and became known as the Garifuna, who remain the largest African-descended ethnic group in Honduras. And the fourth wave — the so-called negros ingleses — arrived in the late 1800s from the British Caribbean to work on banana plantations.

While history books sought to de-Africanize Honduras, census data also played a role in minimizing the presence of non-mestizos in the nation. In a linguistic sleight of hand, the Honduran state erased the possibility of claiming African roots. The 1910 census enumerated seven different races: ladino (a catchall term for people of mixed race), indigenous, mestizo, white, blacks, mulattos and “yellow.” But by 1916, there were only two (indigenous and ladino), and by the 1920s racial categories ceased to exist. There were no blacks in Honduras, because there were only Hondurans. Racial identification would eventually be added back into the census, but no categories that allowed for African descent — ladino, mulatto or black — existed until 2001.

Yet Afro-Hondurans have always been visible in the nation, and especially on the national soccer team. While the team for Honduras’ first international match — in 1921 — is unknown, in 1930, when Honduras won its first game, at least four members of the team were black. And this at a time when Brazil would not to allow Afro-Brazilians to represent the nation internationally. So too in 1982, when Honduras shocked hosts Spain with a 1-1 draw, Afro-Hondurans made up much of the team, including defenseman Alan Anthony Costly (father of current Honduran striker Carlos Costly) and goalkeeper Julio Cesar Arzú.

Presence on the soccer team, however, does not equal acceptance. For most of the 20th century, the Honduran state has ignored its African-descended population — or worse. In 1937, the government of Tiburcio Carias massacred 22 Garifuna leaders in the village of San Juan. Garifuna language was banned in school curriculums until the 2000s. Social indicators among black Hondurans tend to rank near the bottom; access to education and jobs lags behind much of the rest of the country. And in soccer, racism persists as well. In 2006, a politician claimed that blacks brought the level of play on the team down because they were not as “intelligent” as other Hondurans. In response to Chávez’s 2011 anti-racism campaign, a former Honduran national team psychologist argued that “blacks, by nature, have low self-esteem and therefore look for ways to call attention to themselves.”

In other words, while Afro-Hondurans make up a large portion of the national team — and always have — their presence has not yet led to greater tolerance. Nor has it occasioned a change in Honduras’ dominant narrative about race. What does this mean? The persistence of racist attitudes in Honduras implies that soccer, which many claim capable of changing attitudes about race and creating a more just world, may not be the panacea that many would like it to be.

But yeah, dog...let em in. Even though when it came to their country they was passing laws and shyt too.

 

[8WON6]

So what did you mean when you said they didn't vote against the meddlers?

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What's funny is instead of people coming here and voting against the people that meddled in their country's affairs, these people come here and vote for the meddlers and try to join whiteness.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

i never denied there was anti-black/african sentiments in Latin America, in fact I brought it up many times. I mean if you think colonization/imperialism wasn't a worldwide phenomenon in which some natives became complicit than that's on you.

and by that logic, if we're to tie a man with the ills of his country than that would rope you and I with being complicit to atrocities being committed overseas and in the global south.

you say hondurans like they all had a choice in the matter of the white elites in their country. A kid born in the 90's out there ain't have shyt to do with what was passed in the 20's-30's.

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so are you trying to have them takeover your block or what? You're the one crying over some Hondurans. Yes there are Africans and West Indies that are here, but they come here via a process in limited numbers. And we can talk about how Honduras banned blacks from entering their country at one point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...society/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.237a7397d454



But yeah, dog...let em in. Even though when it came to their country they was passing laws and shyt too.

 

[AggiePride336.]

so are you trying to have them takeover your block or what? You're the one crying over some Hondurans. Yes there are Africans and West Indies that are here, but they come here via a process in limited numbers. And we can talk about how Honduras banned blacks from entering their country at one point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...society/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.237a7397d454



But yeah, dog...let em in. Even though when it came to their country they was passing laws and shyt too.

Their government appears to be on some supremacist shyt, as well.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

The article said the Democrats are the meddlers. These people come here and vote for Republicans so against the Democrats.

You still say they don't vote against the meddlers. So who should they vote for?

 

[8WON6]

The article said the Democrats are the meddlers. These people come here and vote for Republicans so against the Democrats.

You still say they don't vote against the meddlers. So who should they vote for?

you're confusing yourself. at the end of the day they try to join whiteness, whether it be democrat or republican. I'm not saying meddlers based on what the article says, I'm saying meddlers as in white supremacists worldwide. They(illegals from latinx countries) not trying to come here and be a political block with blacks and poc against WS, they come here trying to join the machine and one of the ways they apply to join is by shytting on blacks.

 

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:HALFMJPLS:

You forgot Venezuela
Cuba
& most african countries

 

[get these nets]

Sticky this thread with the "Africans sold us" threads....because it makes the point I was trying to convey to folks saying that stuff.

Imagine Hondurans blaming regular Americans for foreign policy decisions made by potus , sec. of state, and others over the past 40 or 100 years.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

you're confusing yourself. at the end of the day they try to join whiteness, whether it be democrat or republican. I'm not saying meddlers based on what the article says, I'm saying meddlers as in white supremacists worldwide. They(illegals from latinx countries) not trying to come here and be a political block with blacks and poc against WS, they come here trying to join the machine and one of the ways they apply to join is by shytting on blacks.

Who should they vote for?

 

[8WON6]

Who should they vote for?

people who are anti-white supremacy or no one. They come here and vote for people like Trump once they become citizens though.

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Jorge Ramirez, an Oceanside minister and immigrant in the country illegally, didn’t think he would end up in line for deportation when he encouraged his U.S. citizen daughter to vote for now-President Trump.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Says they then uses single example

if I pulled up examples of black people shoe shinning and whistling about we shouldn’t talk about racism until we fix our shyt you’d wouldn’t consider that viewpoint or expierence valid

people who are anti-white supremacy or no one. They come here and vote for people like Trump once they become citizens though.

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[8WON6]

Says they then uses single example

if I pulled up examples of black people shoe shinning and whistling about we shouldn’t talk about racism until we fix our shyt you’d wouldn’t consider that viewpoint or expierence valid

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c897f17e185_story.html?utm_term=.ef539a0aebe3