How those Mcnabb years looking now Eagles Fans......

[phillycavsfan]

People love to bring up Garcia. 1st there is no Playoff run without Mcnabb winning those 5 games in 2006 before he was hurt for the year. 2nd Reid changed up the offense to more balanced attack, something he NEVER did for Mcnabb. They were running like crazy. Next Garcia couldn't even get out of the 2nd round. Left Philly and basically did nothing the rest of his career.

Jeff Garica played 6 Playoff games in his 16 year career in the NFL. He went 2-6, losing record. He was never at anyone point in his career better than Mcnabb. Vick proved he wasn't better than Mcnabb either. Now with Andy gone we can stop the hate and keep it real. Mcnabb should of NEVER been traded and the Eagles are paying for it now heavily. Garcia had one run and Eagles love to bring that up when Mcnabb had 7 runs to the Playoffs and won 9 Games as the Quarterback.

So why is it okay to bring up Garcia's career after he left Philly (which is poor) but McNabb's failures are due to him being on bad teams?

 

[Rapmastermind]

Well, that's difficult to prove either way. On 2 separate occasions Reid managed to keep the ship righted in McNabb's absence (Garcia in 2006 and Vick in 2010).

Then again, Feeley was terrible in 2003 (even though the team still made the playoffs), and Mike McMahon might be the worst QB ever to put on an Eagles uniform.

Every Eagles QB that played when Mcnabb was out ended up not really taking us anywhere. Garcia and Vick were (1-2) record in the Playoffs. To put that in context, Mcnabb won 2 Playoff games in the 2008 seasons, 1 year. The fact is Yes Andy was able to keep the team afloat but it didn't prove that any of those QB could take us anywhere.

Vick sadly it was more bad than good. Garcia it was more the team coming together and Andy made him a glorified Manager. Feeley was average. Kolb was Average, McMahon was terrible. The Reality is clear, Donovan was one of the biggest reason the Eagles were so strong during Andy's years.

 

[Rapmastermind]

So why is it okay to bring up Garcia's career after he left Philly (which is poor) but McNabb's failures are due to him being on bad teams?

Cause Mcnabb had a larger sample of success period. Garcia did not have a more successful career than Donovan did.

 

[phillycavsfan]

Cause Mcnabb had a larger sample of success period. Garcia did not have a more successful career than Donovan did.

That still isn't a good enough reason to completely ignore the fact that he's out of the league only 2 years after they traded him. At least own that fact. You sound like Iverson stans who think Iverson should've never been traded to Denver and stayed in Philly his whole career.

Every Eagles QB that played when Mcnabb was out ended up not really taking us anywhere. Garcia and Vick were (1-2) record in the Playoffs. To put that in context, Mcnabb won 2 Playoff games in the 2008 seasons, 1 year. The fact is Yes Andy was able to keep the team afloat but it didn't prove that any of those QB could take us anywhere.

Vick sadly it was more bad than good. Garcia it was more the team coming together and Andy made him a glorified Manager. Feeley was average. Kolb was Average, McMahon was terrible. The Reality is clear, Donovan was one of the biggest reason the Eagles were so strong during Andy's years.

Yup. From 00-04 the eagles Defense

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Mcnabb average passer rating of 50.5 for the first 3 NFC title games, 3 picks in the superbowl etc. He played well in the one against the Cardinals in 09' though, never gets credit for that game Imo

So are you gonna ignore those stats and jerk yourself off to McNabb more or actually discuss this like a fukking adult?

 

[Rapmastermind]

That still isn't a good enough reason to completely ignore the fact that he's out of the league only 2 years after they traded him. At least own that fact. You sound like Iverson stans who think Iverson should've never been traded to Denver and stayed in Philly his whole career.






So are you gonna ignore those stats and jerk yourself off to McNabb more or actually discuss this like a fukking adult?

You say that as if Mcnabb numbers are horrible? Most Defensively ran teams, the QB numbers aren't as large as Mcnabb's. Eagles had a good defense, nobody is disputing that but acting like Mcnabb who the QB wasn't an important factor in the Eagles success is crazy. The QB is the most important position in Football. Mcnabb was going to NFC title games with Pinkston and Thrash. Everyone loves to bring up the T.O. year but guess what, he was hurt in the Playoffs. Mcnabb still got the Super Bowl without T.O. with Mitchell and Pinkston. Give credit where credit is due. LOL @ Discuss this like an Adult. I'm am an Adult and the problem with a lot Eagles fans is they just won't give Donovan his credit. Everyone else is the reason the Eagles won but Donovan, SMH.

 

[Leasy]

They only loved Garcia because he was white and lived in South Philly with the Irish and Italians. While here he couldn't throw pass more than 10 yards.

 

[phillycavsfan]

You said he was the biggest reason for their success. That's not true, and those numbers prove it. The QB might be the most important position, but defense wins championships.

And let's put this not enough credit bullshyt to bed. What the fukk do you want? A statue of Five in front of the Linc? A holiday in his name? Random white people to walk up to you everyday telling how much they loved Donovan McNabb? He went to 5 Pro Bowls and he's the best quarterback we've ever had. Most people acknowledge this. They also acknowledge that he was responsible for some of the most crushing losses in franchise history. This can't be ignored either, especially as Eagles fans. It's a stain on his record that, fortunately or unfortunately, will remain forever, just like HOF QB Jim Kelly and his 4 Super Bowl losses. You can't have one without the other.

 

[Rapmastermind]

I never said Donovan was "The Biggest" reason I said he was a "Significant" reason and he was. You ain't going to all those playoffs just off a great Defense. You have to have a really great QB and again Donovan doesn't have no journey man QB numbers. He put up amazing numbers. Again every great player in Football doesn't have rings. There are plenty of Football Greats without Rings and Donovan will be one of them. He's HOF.

 

[FTBS]

nikkaz can speculate, hoot, holler, "what if" and make goofy smilies all day....in the grand scheme of things he did NOT win it all. The difference between McNabb, Brady and P. Manning is that they WON, weak division or not.

Peyton received TONS of criticism and doubt before he actually WON something and could call himself a champion. Prior to that he was a "statistics" and "records" guy which really mean nothing other than small personal victories. And It has nothing to do with being a "black QB"--if you don't win, you aren't respected and you aren't remembered. Bottomline. Don't believe it--go ask Jim kelly.

And from my recollection, EVERYONE in Philly supported McNabb for years and often critisized the front office for not putting the necessary weapons around him. The Eagles did not win with Mcnabb for a number of reasons; some of it was accredited to his lack of supportive staff, other parts of it were related to bad play calling, and the lack game adjustment on both ends by Reid, and others were due to poor decision making by Donovan in crunch time situations. I don't remember anyone really just dumping it ALL on his shoulders...just about every analyst,commentator and fan spread the blame where it belonged.

The OP is creating an issue that was never really there--the fact of the matter is, Donovan NEVER received all of the blame. Criticism? Absolutely, but no one blamed the entire team's problems on him.


Now I, myself was done with him around 2007. At that time he was still a quality QB, but whatever the Eagles were doing with him, just was not working for their system specifically in terms of putting the finishing touches on things.

If you're old enough to remember his playing style back then, he was a VERY different QB by comparison from 2000-2004 compared to 2006-2010. In his earliest NFC championship years, he was much more dominiant and unpredictable to defenses with his runand pass game.

After his injury though, IMO it became painfully and glaringly obvious that he just did not have "it" especially when Jeff Garcia stepped in 2006. In that one season, Garcia really just drew a sharp contrast in their leadership and play making ability and in the accuracy of his passing...heck if anyone remembers that season, Garcia would have taken them to the SB IF the defense hadn't of given up those last first downs to the Saints...where if McNabb had of finished that season, they wouldn't have even made the playoffs...anyway...

His LEGACY is there...no question about it, but it was time to move on. No one really expected the Eagles to repeat what they did in his earliest years, and it was painfully obvious that he was not going to close things out with SB. It is what it is...I was happy to see him go and give it a run somewhere else, but the Eagles needed new life and opportunities...He himself needs to get over it...it's only been about 3 years since he's been gone. If they win one SB in the next 10 years, he'll have to eat some of what he said. IMO...he is only hurting himself, pissing and moaning like Iverson...thinking he is owed something. The cat needs to sit down and accept that his era is OVER.

He needs to relax and allow people to absorb and reflect on the last 10 years with him. Heck, if you want to be REAL about it, nikkaz didn't respect Randall when he left either. It took another ANOTHER 10 years or so with a NEW lense to look back on it with fond memories and respect what he accomplished in those days, myself included.

Either division quality matters or it doesn't. To say that it only matters if you don't win a SB is just silly.

I agree with you reasons for Philly falling short but I gotta call bullshyt on the blame piece, at least from a national perspective. I can't speak to what was going on in Philly. What I can say is that Donovan and Fat Andy were right there together losing those title games and that SB. However Donovan's rep was as a guy who just couldn't get a team over the hump. While Fat Andy's rep was a qb guru genius who was one of the best and most respected offensive minds and longest tenured coaches in the league. Dont' really recall Fat Andy catching too much heat until the last couple years.

Not only did Donovan's playing style change, Philly's playing style changed. During the early days they were up there with that Pats as far as the screen game goes and they actually ran the ball. They played to Donovan's strengths as a playmaker and camouflaged the sucky recievers. It really seemed like after TO came to town they were determined to make Donovan into Peyton Manning and having him drop back 35 times and throw the ball around the field only instead of Marvin Harrison and REggie Wayne he had Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown. Donovan bulked up in order to be able to take the pounding of dropping back and hanging in the pocket as a pocket passer. Now I'm not sure if this was Donovan's idea of if this came from Fat Andy.

at you dismissing speculation and "what ifs" then trotting them out when it comes to Garcia. Fat Andy, as he always did when Donovan got hurt, went to a more balanced, conservative offense. It would have been interesting to see what could have happened if he had committed to such and offense with Donovan later on in his career there.

at new life and opportunities. What are nikkas looking at? Acting like things haven't gone straight to hell since you got rid of Donovan.

What's he been saying? I can't really blame him for being bitter. Never seen a QB do the things he's done and get like that (without being injured of course). My only problem is he should have spoken up a long time ago.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

So are you gonna ignore those stats and jerk yourself off to McNabb more or actually discuss this like a fukking adult?

Man, you claim the mcnabb detractors were the minority, then co-sign that shytty argument, smh

Mcnabb didn't have much help... For many years it was just him and a RB (Westbrook/McCoy) who was often injured come playoff time. No other fanbase would throw their QB under the bus like that. Mcnabb got TO and that team looked dominant.

 

[phillycavsfan]

Man, you claim the mcnabb detractors were the minority, then co-sign that shytty argument, smh

Completely un-related points, and how is having a top 5 defense during the height of their run a "shytty argument"?

 

[Tom]

Mcnabb >>>> Vick


Past, present, future

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Completely un-related points, and how is having a top 5 defense during the height of their run a "shytty argument"?

If it's unrelated then why was it brought up in a thread about mcnabb?

Its related cuz it was brought up in support of this shytty notion that what mcnabb did was par for the course...which you co-signed

 

[phillycavsfan]

If it's unrelated then why was it brought up in a thread about mcnabb?

Its related cuz it was brought up in support of this shytty notion that what mcnabb did was par for the course...which you co-signed

No, I co-signed the fact that he played poorly in those NFC title games against Tampa and Carolina and threw 3 picks vs. New England in the Super Bowl, but played well against Atlanta and Arizona.

But why am I bothering; you're just seeing what you want to see.

 

[Tom]

Eagles was the goat team in NFL 2K5


Terrel Owens would literally snatch up any football you threw his way. And Mccabb was fast as fuk