"I Agree With T-Mac...I Think Its EASIER To Play In Todays NBA" Jamal Crawford

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I don't think he's really a PF, just a bulky 3. I think their success is really Draymon's ability to not only handle the ball but orchestrate the offense, allowing Klay and Steph to play off the ball. You don't think he'd be a better player, a better scorer if he played in the paint? Or midrange, leaving Steph, Klay to shoot 3s?
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A better player how? Aesthetically... sure, if you think being a better player means upholding basketball praxis of how you think the game should be played. He wouldn't be a better scorer if he played in the paint i) because he doesn't have much of a post game ii) it would take away from his ability to orchestrate the offense from the perimeter iii) it would clog the lane up, when the Warriors offense functions through ball and player movement

Besides it's not like he doesn't score in the paint at all, you often see him taking advantage by posting up a smaller wing/guard when he has the mismatch or taking a big off the dribble and finishing at the rim.

The whole point to him shooting 3s is that it drags defenders out deeper and further away from Curry and Klay, when they want to position themselves behind the arc or get an uncontested layup because Draymon'd man is guarding him out on the perimeter. And the fact that 3s are worth more than 2s - which is really becoming an adage at this point. I don't see how he'd be a better scorer if he replaced his 3-pt attempts with midrange attempts given the fact he'd need to shoot well over 50% on them (which he isn't capable of) to match his 3-pt shooting production, and he would need more shot attempts to equal the production he gets from behind the arc - which would take away shots from better scorers on the team.
 

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There is no agenda..... There is no us vs. them...... only an honest discussion with honest answers..... If there is an agenda, what is it?
Pushing the agenda of this era being "watered down".
nikka you must've had a stroke recently or some shyt..... cause otherwise you reaching like Mr. Fantastic trying to tie 2 points together...... do you though
I suggest you read that exchange properly and maybe you'll see that I'm just showing you the mirror.
 
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Pushing the agenda of this era being "watered down".

I suggest you read that exchange properly and maybe you'll see that I'm just showing you the mirror.


Nah.. .more like a window...... and having an opinion that the league is watered down is not an agenda...... cats been saying that shyt since the 80s, and it got even louder in the early/mid 90s....

When you push an agenda, you expect a certain outcome..... all this is is cats voicing what they think.....
 

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You do realize he's 36 ? If he was 26 he'd be a top 5 SG and somebodies cornerstone

Harden
Klay
Craw
Derozen :scust:
...korver :scust:

@CHICAGO forgot about diva Butler :wow: but that makes craw 5th :ufdup:

Basically. He won the award at the ages of 34 AND 36. Has anyone ever won a 6th man of the year award at 34 prior to him? I don't think so, Bill Walton might have been 33 when he won but that's about it. Clearly he's benefiting from today's NBA in some capacity.
 

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Nah.. .more like a window......
I'm showing you a mirror because you clearly can't see your own reflection.
and having an opinion that the league is watered down is not an agenda...... cats been saying that shyt since the 80s, and it got even louder in the early/mid 90s....
It's an agenda by a certain group on this board, hence the making of this thread and others like it.
When you push an agenda, you expect a certain outcome..... all this is is cats voicing what they think.....
It's an agenda......:dame:
 

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Basically. He won the award at the ages of 34 AND 36. Has anyone ever won a 6th man of the year award at 34 prior to him? I don't think so, Bill Walton might have been 33 when he won but that's about it. Clearly he's benefiting from today's NBA in some capacity.
Jordan was the MVP at 35 in '98
Malone was the MVP at 35 in '99

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Jordan was the MVP at 35 in '98
Malone was the MVP at 35 in '99

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MVP & 6th Man are two totally different things. The GOAT won an MVP at 35. What does that disprove exactly?
Maybe Mike doesn't feel so inclined to retire in '99 if the game was as soft as it is now.... :mjpls:
 

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The '97-'98 was the end of an era and it was really the first time that we saw the instant drop-off in quality. The old guard was damn near out of the league. The next 3-4 years we saw more HSers with very little talent being drafted...and most didn't amount to anything because everyone was looking for the next KG, Kobe, Tmac. The quality picked back up when the mid-late 90's draft standouts came into their own and carried it, HOWEVER role players got worst.

I think there are better role players now, but more role players are viewed as stars or superstars, when they shouldn't be. Remember, you had to be 20 & 10 to be an all-star big. Barkley/Dream/Zo/Ewing...them nigg@s weren't sniffing the ASG with no 15 & 7. A watered down league resulted in All-time greats being all-stars when they were no longer worthy. Or KJ & Chris Paul might have the same amount of 20 & 10 seasons, but only one of them is considered an all-time great. Jeff Teague has been an All-Star more than Rod Strickland, think about that...so has Kyle Lowry.

Some of the same ish that people got killed for in the late 90's early 2000's is the same ish that is widely praised now. I'm also dumbfounded when people try to use pick-n-roll as a knock against Stockton's assist or Mailman's points. But then give praise to today's NBA when every team over-utilizes the PnR, and Chris Paul that gets half of his assists on lobs. Stockton still put up 17apg and Karl was 27 & 10 at 30-something...on all jumpshots.

And don't even get me started on today's "complex" defenses. The NBA has picked up in recent years, but I recognize that it is what it is. There's no reason for Anthony Davis to be shooting 3's, or Millsap & Horford or even Draymon Green...Speights.

That's insane when you think about it...the same reason Dwight is seen as the "best" center in this era when there was like 6-7 better centers than him in the 90s...great points overall. .
 

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Jeff Teague has been an All-Star more than Rod Strickland, think about that...so has Kyle Lowry.
That's insane when you think about it...the same reason Dwight is seen as the "best" center in this era when there was like 6-7 better centers than him in the 90s...great points overall. .
I don't see how, when worse players from previous eras have been voted an All-Star - even during Rod's time in the league.
I think there are better role players now, but more role players are viewed as stars or superstars, when they shouldn't be. Remember, you had to be 20 & 10 to be an all-star big. Barkley/Dream/Zo/Ewing...them nigg@s weren't sniffing the ASG with no 15 & 7. A watered down league resulted in All-time greats being all-stars when they were no longer worthy. Or KJ & Chris Paul might have the same amount of 20 & 10 seasons, but only one of them is considered an all-time great. Jeff Teague has been an All-Star more than Rod Strickland, think about that...so has Kyle Lowry.
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You have a selective memory.

James Donaldson was an All-Star in 1988 - 7 ppg, 10 rpg
A.C. Green was an All-Star in 1990 - 13 ppg, 9 rpg
B.J. Armstrong was an All-Star in 1994 - 16 ppg, 4 apg
Jamal Magloire was an All-Star in 2004 - 12 ppg, 9 rpg
Dale Davis was an All-Star in 2000 - 11 ppg, 10 ppg
Kevin Duckworth was an All-Star in 1991 - 16 ppg, 6 rpg
Tyrone Hill was an All-Star in 1995 - 13 ppg, 11 rpg
Brad Miller was an All-Star in 2003 - 14 ppg, 8 rpg

It's a funny thing that nostalgia, and what it can do to one's memory. :mjpls:
 

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MVP & 6th Man are two totally different things. The GOAT won an MVP at 35. What does that disprove exactly?
Maybe Mike doesn't feel so inclined to retire in '99 if the game was as soft as it is now.... :mjpls:

But isn't Jamal Crawford the GOAT 6th man? :troll:
 
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