And I'll put you dudes up on something else. Onetime Pan Africanists are putting that shyt to the side. They're still moving to africa and are over in africa making moves, but they're not necessarily looking to do it in conjunction with anyone there. These dudes are talking about building "African American/FBA" communities, with the amenities we're used to here. And they have the money to make it happen.
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When people say they you gotta be very specific. Africa is a big continent with countries that don't get along. Alot of this conversations sound dumb because none of you are aware of how shyt works in Africa. Most Africans aren't repping the whole continentMan you should read about what them leaders said about Afros while people over here were getting black bagged for having themThey got c00n stooges for leaders over there just like we do over here and acting like shyt sweet. They have also turned their backs on us multiple times but nikkas let that slide for unity tho, I get it
“Comrades” then are the same as now
The irony of all this FBA talk is then to turn around and threat everyone in the continent as "Africans" sounds extremely dumb
Uchiha God
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Eh, this is a disingenuous talking point and everyone with a base understanding of history, geopolitical and socio-economic dynamics will tell you so. What the US government has done to black american communities repeatedly, western governments do so on a macro level to entire regions - displaced folks are often displaced so that western nations can continue to afford and enjoy the lifestyles and livelihoods we currently do
I do think other ethnic groups often get insecure about black americans repping FBA , but the conversations always get muddied with ad-hominem and insincere arguments
Uchiha God
Veteran
Obvious historical reference point, though not 1:1, would be Liberia. Currently, I’ve seen plenty videos covering instances of what you said - which often causes friction with the locals.
It also doesn’t help that Africa is rife with corruption and leadership that’s primarily preoccupied with lining up their pockets - I’ve seen reports of locals losing their land for settlements such as the one you’ve referenced, but I’ve also seen reports of FBAs losing their investment and/or having land sold to them be “repossessed”.
They govern that shyt like the Wild West
HimmyHendrix
Port Au Pawg Prime Minister / Black Queen Lover
Last post because this topic bores me. What happened to the relationship between Black Americans and Africans is simple.
We started to meet yall. If Im honest to this day most Black Americans have never even met an African. I got cousins in the South who have never seen one. But if you are from populous cities, then we’ve had the chance to actually meet you and we found truths.
When I was kid and I would hear about certain things, or see like about the Rwandan genocide. Where one group of Africans killed 1,000,000 africans and raped 250k women and children. even that wasn’t enough to give me a side eye because i couldn’t contextualize it properly.
but the combination of meeting africans in real life and learning that yall are divisive, tribal people here and abroad, combined with learning actual truths about the continent (the corruption, the ethnic genocides, the deep involvement in the slave trade which is not how we’re taught slavery by europeans) and that pan africanism doesn’t exist in africa.
what you come out the other side with is a lack of understanding of why we wanted togetherness and brotherhood with you all in the first place. That one way camaraderie depended on ignorance. and it has been one way for most of our history
which is why the only thing africans ever bring up is “we marched for george floyd” (a moment in history that a lot of groups latched on to because it was so viral) as if our history with oppression in America isn’t hundreds of years old, with little to no help from Africa
We signed up to fight against the italians for ethiopians and the first ethiopian pilots were trained by A Black American, only for years later the Ethiopian Prime Minister to be talking like this
The old Ethiopian prime minister Hailie Salassie gave us land in Shashamane for our help with the italians and raising awareness. What happened?
A Jamaican delegate leaked that information and immediately hundreds of Jamaicans fled to land given to Black Americans and settled on it and still live their today.
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Africans telling brother Malcolm to HOLD HIS OWN NUTS
All the work done for apartheid
All the work done here to make sure people can come here and not be discriminated against
Breaking down every racial barrier possible and pushing the 1965 immigration act to get people to get here
only for some tethers to come tell you that you don’t have culture and you’re lazy
I’m glad we’re delineating, it’s overdue
No more unconditional support in exchange for unconditional disdain
It is what it is. The african is a problem. And not an ally. And neither are Europeans. Two sides of the same coin in my opinion.
Loyal to nothing.
We started to meet yall. If Im honest to this day most Black Americans have never even met an African. I got cousins in the South who have never seen one. But if you are from populous cities, then we’ve had the chance to actually meet you and we found truths.
When I was kid and I would hear about certain things, or see like about the Rwandan genocide. Where one group of Africans killed 1,000,000 africans and raped 250k women and children. even that wasn’t enough to give me a side eye because i couldn’t contextualize it properly.
but the combination of meeting africans in real life and learning that yall are divisive, tribal people here and abroad, combined with learning actual truths about the continent (the corruption, the ethnic genocides, the deep involvement in the slave trade which is not how we’re taught slavery by europeans) and that pan africanism doesn’t exist in africa.
what you come out the other side with is a lack of understanding of why we wanted togetherness and brotherhood with you all in the first place. That one way camaraderie depended on ignorance. and it has been one way for most of our history
which is why the only thing africans ever bring up is “we marched for george floyd” (a moment in history that a lot of groups latched on to because it was so viral) as if our history with oppression in America isn’t hundreds of years old, with little to no help from Africa
We signed up to fight against the italians for ethiopians and the first ethiopian pilots were trained by A Black American, only for years later the Ethiopian Prime Minister to be talking like this
The old Ethiopian prime minister Hailie Salassie gave us land in Shashamane for our help with the italians and raising awareness. What happened?
A Jamaican delegate leaked that information and immediately hundreds of Jamaicans fled to land given to Black Americans and settled on it and still live their today.
Shashamane - Wikipedia
Africans telling brother Malcolm to HOLD HIS OWN NUTS
All the work done for apartheid
All the work done here to make sure people can come here and not be discriminated against
Breaking down every racial barrier possible and pushing the 1965 immigration act to get people to get here
only for some tethers to come tell you that you don’t have culture and you’re lazy
I’m glad we’re delineating, it’s overdue
No more unconditional support in exchange for unconditional disdain
It is what it is. The african is a problem. And not an ally. And neither are Europeans. Two sides of the same coin in my opinion.
Loyal to nothing.
The Fade
I don’t argue with niqqas on the Internet anymore
Y’all love using this line to flip flop positions to not generalize Africans only to go along and do it yourself in the next few sentences. You split apart and join then join together when it’s convenient and depending on the argument. That’s yalls second favorite line to “culture is meant to be shared”.
It was multiple African leaders and Carribbean ones and you can see it in the way the kids are raised today
White people aren't gods, they get significant help from the locals to undermine those regions as you noted below...
It also doesn’t help that Africa is rife with corruption and leadership that’s primarily preoccupied with lining up their pockets - I’ve seen reports of locals losing their land for settlements such as the one you’ve referenced, but I’ve also seen reports of FBAs losing their investment and/or having land sold to them be “repossessed”.
They govern that shyt like the Wild West
Europe doesn't undermine Africa to such an extent without willing participants.
Uchiha God
Veteran
The post you quoted says this, verbatim - “it doesn’t help that Africa is rife with corruption” it specifically outlines wayward leadership too
The aforementioned doesn’t make that particular paragraph of yours I quoted any less disingenuous.
The Fade
I don’t argue with niqqas on the Internet anymore
Last post because this topic bores me. What happened to the relationship between Black Americans and Africans is simple.
We started to meet yall. If Im honest to this day most Black Americans have never even met an African. I got cousins in the South who have never seen one. But if you are from populous cities, then we’ve had the chance to actually meet you and we found truths.
When I was kid and I would hear about certain things, or see like about the Rwandan genocide. Where one group of Africans killed 1,000,000 africans and raped 250k women and children. even that wasn’t enough to give me a side eye because i couldn’t contextualize it properly.
but the combination of meeting africans in real life and learning that yall are divisive, tribal people here and abroad, combined with learning actual truths about the continent (the corruption, the ethnic genocides, the deep involvement in the slave trade which is not how we’re taught slavery by europeans) and that pan africanism doesn’t exist in africa.
what you come out the other side with is a lack of understanding of why we wanted togetherness and brotherhood with you all in the first place. That one way camaraderie depended on ignorance. and it has been one way for most of our history
which is why the only thing africans ever bring up is “we marched for george floyd” (a moment in history that a lot of groups latched on to because it was so viral) as if our history with oppression in America isn’t hundreds of years old, with little to no help from Africa
We signed up to fight against the italians for ethiopians and the first ethiopian pilots were trained by A Black American, only for years later the Ethiopian Prime Minister to be talking like this
The old Ethiopian prime minister Hailie Salassie gave us land in Shashamane for our help with the italians and raising awareness. What happened?
A Jamaican delegate leaked that information and immediately hundreds of Jamaicans fled to land given to Black Americans and settled on it and still live their today.
Shashamane - Wikipedia
Africans telling brother Malcolm to HOLD HIS OWN NUTS
All the work done for apartheid
All the work done here to make sure people can come here and not be discriminated against
Breaking down every racial barrier possible and pushing the 1965 immigration act to get people to get here
only for some tethers to come tell you that you don’t have culture and you’re lazy
I’m glad we’re delineating, it’s overdue
No more unconditional support in exchange for unconditional disdain
It is what it is. The african is a problem. And not an ally. And neither are Europeans. Two sides of the same coin in my opinion.
Loyal to nothing.
If you go into their spaces they always have a circle jerk about how “naive we are” for actually wanting to get along over there. And then there’s always a lecture to us like we’re gonna get off the plane and run around butt naked. Imagine being a well read educated man, went through 400 years of this bullshyt only to be talked to like that. Even though there’s black men that travel and they talk about how they don’t want to be where the resorts are and wanna be in the trenches with real people we get called names for having “westernized ways” and wanting everything easy. nikkas come to Africa to die, we not digging cobalt out the fukking ground, building casinos, flooding the local economy with cheap crap but we’re being told to “BEHAVE KNEEGA, PULL YOUR PANTS UP”.
Again you can't be taking serious the real reason you group everybody as Africans is because you don't know the specifics. You just another parrot repeating what you see online.Y’all love using this line to flip flop positions to not generalize Africans only to go along and do it yourself in the next few sentences. You split apart and join then join together when it’s convenient and depending on the argument. That’s yalls second favorite line to “culture is meant to be shared”.
It was multiple African leaders and Carribbean ones and you can see it in the way the kids are raised today
It's not a flip flop is facts but you don't know nothing about history so why even insert yourself in this topics?? Just to be a parrot??
I know what it says which is why I quoted it. Your initial post to me did not mention wayward African leadership.And, yes, your second post just bolsters my initial post you quoted. Those people would rather run from a problem than fix the broken/corrupt leadership in their homelands.
Last post because this topic bores me. What happened to the relationship between Black Americans and Africans is simple.
We started to meet yall. If Im honest to this day most Black Americans have never even met an African. I got cousins in the South who have never seen one. But if you are from populous cities, then we’ve had the chance to actually meet you and we found truths.
When I was kid and I would hear about certain things, or see like about the Rwandan genocide. Where one group of Africans killed 1,000,000 africans and raped 250k women and children. even that wasn’t enough to give me a side eye because i couldn’t contextualize it properly.
but the combination of meeting africans in real life and learning that yall are divisive, tribal people here and abroad, combined with learning actual truths about the continent (the corruption, the ethnic genocides, the deep involvement in the slave trade which is not how we’re taught slavery by europeans) and that pan africanism doesn’t exist in africa.
what you come out the other side with is a lack of understanding of why we wanted togetherness and brotherhood with you all in the first place. That one way camaraderie depended on ignorance. and it has been one way for most of our history
which is why the only thing africans ever bring up is “we marched for george floyd” (a moment in history that a lot of groups latched on to because it was so viral) as if our history with oppression in America isn’t hundreds of years old, with little to no help from Africa
We signed up to fight against the italians for ethiopians and the first ethiopian pilots were trained by A Black American, only for years later the Ethiopian Prime Minister to be talking like this
The old Ethiopian prime minister Hailie Salassie gave us land in Shashamane for our help with the italians and raising awareness. What happened?
A Jamaican delegate leaked that information and immediately hundreds of Jamaicans fled to land given to Black Americans and settled on it and still live their today.
Shashamane - Wikipedia
Africans telling brother Malcolm to HOLD HIS OWN NUTS
All the work done for apartheid
All the work done here to make sure people can come here and not be discriminated against
Breaking down every racial barrier possible and pushing the 1965 immigration act to get people to get here
only for some tethers to come tell you that you don’t have culture and you’re lazy
I’m glad we’re delineating, it’s overdue
No more unconditional support in exchange for unconditional disdain
It is what it is. The african is a problem. And not an ally. And neither are Europeans. Two sides of the same coin in my opinion.
Loyal to nothing.
you were very specific on the Ethiopian minister but then went to Africans telling brother Malcom to hold is nuts. Why you not specific on that??
The same way FBA is a term that specifies certain people there are countries in Africa with specific names. Can't you see how dumb you look when in one hand you rep FBA and on the other hand you address people as Africans without being specific??
because it would be a long list of names representing many african countries. in his autobiography malcolm talked about how ambivalent the different african leaders were to our plight, until they heard him speak in person over at one of their conferences, or some meeting they'd set up for him. something like that.
but what it comes down to is he basically shamed them into voicing support, and i stress "voicing" because as we know, no material support ever came.
HimmyHendrix
Port Au Pawg Prime Minister / Black Queen Lover
You’re not well read. I’m obviously referring to his Summit Speech. Leaders of many African nations were there.
Nigeria, Morocco, Togo, Zanzibar, Rwanda, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Cameroon, Sierra Leone etc
And they told him his problems were his problems and africa had enough to worry about with its own people
so using “Africans” there. fits.
a lot of those nations were newly independent and relied on america for aid and they rejected his proposal to speak up for us at the UN.
they deemed him too radical and they didn’t want to mess up their diplomatic ties to help the black americans
all of this is documented
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Uchiha God
Veteran
And, yes, your second post just bolsters my initial post you quoted. Those people would rather run from a problem than fix the broken/corrupt leadership in their homelands.
That’s disingenuous - I’ve been on the internet long enough to see the same arguments be used by cacs vs black americans. In reality - and again the same thing that the US government has done to black american communities (how do you think they are/were destabilized) repeatedly is done to those regions on a macro level by western govs.
You’re welcome to engage in egg/chicken - dealer/user obfuscating arguments, most people should the discernment to understand power dynamics though.
