“I am A Foundational Black American” - Ryan Coogler

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My family and many other Black families built this country centuries ago for free....We can call ourselves anything we want...
That’s true and it’s not wrong either, but you do realize that the vast majority of Black Americans don’t identify as such, some are even against it for different reasons.


 

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The first official Black immigrants came during the reconstruction era. It makes sense to say that FBA was in North America before the reconstruction era.


Where is this coming for, this evidence?

"Enslaved Africans came from or through major coastal regions that had been labeled by Europeans as the Grain Coast (consisting of Senegal, Gambia, Guinea, Sierra Leone and parts of Liberia), Windward Coast (Ivory Coast and Liberia), Gold Coast (Ghana west of the Volta River), Bight of Benin (between the Volta and Benin Rivers), Bight of Biafra (east of the Benin River to Gabon), Central Africa (Gabon, Congo, and Angola), and the southern coast of Africa (from the cape of Good Hope to Cape Delgado, including the island of Madagascar)."


“Thirteen of the 18 haplogroups previously observed in African populations were observed in the African American populations: L1a, L1b, L1c, L2a, L2b, L2c, L3b, L3d, L3, L3, L3, L3, and L3f”




"The genetics of African North Americans are complex amalgamations of various West and Central African peoples with modest gene flow from specific European and Amerindian peoples. A comprehensive understanding of African North American biohistory is a prerequisite for accurate interpretations of the ancestral genetics of this population. Too often, genetic interpretations falter with ahistorical reconstructions. The recently reported overrepresentation of Nigerian lineages in African North Americans reflects pronounced limitations in the African genomic database, the artificiality of the colonial maps of Africa, the contributions of multiple African empires and kingdoms into the transatlantic trade in enslaved Africans, and the overrepresentation of Yoruba peoples in the existing limited representation of West Africans in public genomic databases. This Matters Arising paper is in response to Micheletti et al. (2020), published in The American Journal of Human Genetics. See also the response by Micheletti et al. (2020), published in this issue."




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"Earlier studies showed that the prevalence of maxillary midline diastema was greater in African populations than among Caucasians or Asian [21]. Another research reported that a maxillary midline diastema (MMD) occurrence among African Americans is more".



"According to the study, having mainly African genetic ancestry can reduce a person's chances of finding a donor by up to 60%, and having African copies of HLA genes, which must be compatible with the donor's to make a transplant possible, can reduce them by 75%."
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According to Meyer, the team cannot yet answer the question regarding the degree to which admixture and the percentage of African ancestry hinder a match. "These two things are a little different. What we know is that on average people with African HLA genes tend to have more difficulty than people with European ancestry," he said. "It remains to be seen if there are combinations of European and African chromosomes that can also reduce the probability of a match.”


"The study found that white blood cell counts may be low due to a rs2814778-CC variant in the promoter of the atypical chemokine receptor 1-coding gene ACKR1. While this variant is relatively uncommon in individuals of European ancestry, it appears to be found in more than 60 percent of African Americans and is found at especially high frequency in some populations from sub-Saharan Africa.


Your questing the fact that Black people were here before slavery, and were the 1st inhabitants of North America:skip:

I understand what you posted since I have a degree in Biology and use to work as a Molecular Biologist,

It's pretty well known that there were Black people in North America (pre columbian America) before slavery, the 1st inhabitants of North America were Black people. That is basic evolutionary science. White people were not here first, nor the Red-Skinned Mongoloid Indians, the earliest know inhibitors of were Black skinned aboriginal people called the Folsom tribe.

The first discover of the Folsom people was made by a Black Cowboy name of George McJunkin:


Dr. Ivan Van Sertima, wrote a book called "They came before Columbus," which outlines how Black people were here before slavery (pre-columbian America)






FBA's were here before the creation of the United States of America, we are the reason why America came to be. FBAs are the foundation to America, and without us there would not be the USA.

Are FBAs saying we do not have African genetics, no we are not saying that. Technically all living humans share a common ancestor in Africa, meaning everyone has African genetics lol. FBAs are saying we had an ethnogenesis in which we are saying we are our own ethnic group, which involves the formation of new identities ie. including cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. Just like how Jamacians, Belizians, and etc., had there own ethnogenesis, FBAs had our own.
 
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In what context do I need to read / interpret this?

 

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In what context do I need to read / interpret this?


The same context you quoted me with that video.
 

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Your questing the fact that Black people were here before slavery, and were the 1st inhabitants of North America:skip:

I understand what you posted since I have a degree in Biology and use to work as a Molecular Biologist,

It's pretty well known that there were Black people in North America (pre columbian America) before slavery, the 1st inhabitants of North America were Black people. That is basic evolutionary science. White people were not here first, nor the Red-Skinned Mongoloid Indians, the earliest know inhibitors of were Black skinned aboriginal people called the Folsom tribe.

The first discover of the Folsom people was made by a Black Cowboy name of George McJunkin:


Dr. Ivan Van Sertima, wrote a book called "They came before Columbus," which outlines how Black people were here before slavery (pre-columbian America)






FBA's were here before the creation of the United States of America, we are the reason why America came to be. FBAs are the foundation to America, and without us there would not be the USA.

Are FBAs saying we do not have African genetics, no we are not saying that. Technically all living humans share a common ancestor in Africa, meaning everyone has African genetics lol. FBAs are saying we had an ethnogenesis in which we are saying we are our own ethnic group, which involves the formation of new identities ie. including cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. Just like how Jamacians, Belizians, and etc., had their own ethnogenesis, FBAs had our own.

Where is your paper to refute the common denominator of science?

The above you posted is pseudoscience.

The Olmec theory came from Andrzej Wiercinski and historian Frederick Peterson, not from Dr. Van Sertima.


“The pioneering study of ADNMT carried out on Olmec individuals, one from San Lorenzo and the other from Loma del Zapote, resulted,

in both cases, in the unequivocal presence of the distinctive mutations of the “A” maternal lineage.

That is, the origin of the Olmecs is not in Africa but in America, since they share the most abundant of the five mitochondrial haplogroups characteristic of the indigenous populations of our continent: A, B, C, D and X.”

[…]

Enrique Villamar Becerril. Physical anthropologist from ENAH. Candidate for a doctor in Mesoamerican studies (UNAM), with an analysis of ADNMT in bone remains from various sites of the Preclassic period.”

(Villamar Becerril Enrique, "DNA Studies and the Origin of the Olmecs", Mexican Archeology, no. 150, pp. 40-41.)



“These regions include the Gulf Coast and Oaxaca. The Gulf Coast was initially peopled by the Olmecs (the earliest known major Mesoamerican civilisation) and was later home to the city of El Tajín.”

(Xavier Roca-Rada, NLM provides access to scientific literature. Inclusion in an NLM database does not imply endorsement of, or agreement with, the contents by NLM or the National Institutes of Health. Learn more: | 2020 Nov; 11(11): 1346.)



Furthermore, can you explain this historical documentation?


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The genetic ancestry of American Creole cattle inferred from uniparental and autosomal genetic markers​


“Results with mtDNA indicate that T1c-lineages are rare in Iberia but common in Africa and are well represented in Creoles from Brazil and Colombia, lending support to a direct African influence on Creoles.”


Why the above?

Americas’ first cowboys were enslaved Africans, ancient cow DNA suggests


  1. Upon a writ of error to a Circuit Court of the United States, the transcript of the record of all the proceedings in the case is brought before this court, and is open to its inspection and revision.
  2. When a plea to the jurisdiction, in abatement, is overruled by the court upon demurrer, and the defendant pleads in bar, and upon these pleas the final judgment of the court is in his favor--if the plaintiff brings a writ of error, the judgment of the court upon the plea in abatement is before this court, although it was in favor of the plaintiff--and if the court erred in overruling it, the judgment must be reversed, and a mandate issued to the Circuit Court to dismiss the case for want of jurisdiction.
  3. In the Circuit Courts of the United States, the record must show that the case is one in which by the Constitution and laws of the United States, the court had jurisdiction--and if this does not appear, and the court gives judgment either for plaintiff or defendant, it is error, and the judgment must be reversed by this court--and the parties cannot by consent waive the objection to the jurisdiction of the Circuit Court.
  4. A free negro of the African race, whose ancestors were brought to this country and sold as slaves, is not a "citizen" within the meaning of the Constitution of the United States.
In this ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that enslaved people were not citizens of the United States and, therefore, could not expect any protection from the federal government or the courts. The opinion also stated that Congress had no authority to ban slavery from a Federal territory



Patterns of Genetic Ancestry of Self-Reported African Americans​

Genome-wide ancestry estimates of African Americans show average proportions of 73.2% African, 24.0% European, and 0.8% Native American ancestry (Table 1).




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You are weird breh, bringing up something that had nothing to do with my post. It must apply to you, look how triggered and rattled you are in this thread :dead:

You hate the fact that black americans are starting to recognize and delineate their identity lmaoo :mjlol: only a weirdo would have an issue with this.

Me: Some people use tariq/fba has a trojan horse for their hate towards black americans

You: Is that your excuse for agreeing with the hate tariq is spewing?

Notice how your response doesn’t even make any logical sense to my point, its completely unrelated. Critical thinking and logic are very important attributes a black man of any background must have.

That hate and jealousy towards black americans has your brain fried lil bro. Lets go outside and touch some grass, run a few miles and socialize today. Its Sunday. Appreciate the black american greatness being displayed in this film. :umad:

My original statement made perfect sense and it mocks the idea that talking about Tariq or FBA is somehow due to hatred for Black Americans. Claiming that when someone is talking about Tariq or whatnot is somehow some elaborate trojan horse scheme to express hate reeks of paranoid delusion. This is even more illustrated by this weird idea that I am jealous of a whole group of people when I have said many times I am not, and also think people should be measured by their individual accomplishments and worth. I have enough not to be jealous of anyone on this website. :heh:

As for the bold, you've always had a separate identity. It was one recognized by many people. Many complaints from the FBA crowd is that Africans are discriminatory towards black Americans. That can't happen without recognition of black Americans being separate. Another complaint is that the white man is nicer towards Africans than black Americans. That cannot happen without recognition of them being separate. The term "Black American" in itself is an indication of a separate identity. It is one many Black Americans are aware of because this has been noted by various people in the past, including celebrities. It's hard to be mad about something that has always existed and I've always known to exist. Make it make sense y'all. :mjlol:
 
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I think this is a good point, which is why I prefer terms like "Generational Black American" or "Generational African-American" instead. It centers our specific lineage and history, and grounds it in historical justice and material redress. Plus it's not tied to a con man
That sounds dumb as fukk and has no meaning.

Who did Tariq Con?
 
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