I Apologize But A PERIMETER PLAYER Cant Shoot 37% From Beyond 3 FEET For His Career & Be Mentioned..

[Kaypain]

So let me get this straight. My thread about Kobe's horrendous finals performances that has actual numbers and factual backing gets bushed but fukk nikkas like @CHICAGO can make the SAME shytty LeBron threads over and over again with no repercussions?

Actually, now that I think about it, making threads against ANY player except LeBron seems to get you punished around here. The staff don't even try to seem impartial.

 

[Supercoolmayo]

I keep asking myself

What about Lebron brings the massive stupidity in people.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The funniest thing about this thread is, @CHICAGO is always criticizing "stat nerds" and made up numbers, and yet here he is making up his own 'shooting percentage outside 3ft' stat

ESPN should add that to their advanced stats list.

I was getting ready to make the exact same point. Lebron haters are always complaining about "stat nerds", but they are the very ones starting threads like:

"Lebron only averages 37% from beyond 3 feet from his career"

"Kobe is superior to Lebron in shooting percentages between 3 feet and 24 feet"

"Lebron has the worst single season finals performance as measured by a dropoff from the regular season average if only scoring is taken into account"

"Lebron only shot 19% on game-winning shots during the regular season with less than 10 seconds if you look between 2007 and 2014"



They got to make up the most convoluted, selective shyt to try to shyt on Bron.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Arbitrary "outside 3 feet!"

I'm dying here. @CHICAGO is devolving

 

[Trece]

Wow.

Find 10 year old clips brehs?

 

[onelastdeath]

It's time that Chicago had his mod privileges taken away

 

[Ben.]

I'm convinced being a Bron Hater is a mental illness....

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Convoluted stats always look surprising because you don't see them for anyone else and don't take obvious shyt into account.

@CHICAGO treating shots inside 3 feet and outside 3 feet like they different, but treating twos and threes like they the same? How dumb is that?

So instead of mixing together twos and threes and treating them the same like this is the 1960s, here are the actual numbers for outside shooting.

I picked out a few elite perimeter players from the last twenty years who were volume scorers, as opposed to elite shooters. Here are the numbers that matter:


Lebron 39.2% on twos from 3-23 feet, 34.2% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 43.0%

Iverson 38.8% on twos from 3-23 feet, 30.8% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 40.4%

Wade 40.8% on twos from 3-23 feet, 28.7% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 39.1%

McGrady 40.8% on twos from 3-23 feet, 34.1% on threes, eFG% outside 3 feet is 43.8%

Kobe 42.3% on twos from 3-23 feet, 32.9% on threes, eFG% outside of 3 feet is 44.2%

Rose 42.2% on twos from 3-23 feet, 29.8% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 42.9%

Wizards Jordan 41.1% on twos from 3-23 feet, 24.1% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 40.4%


The only reason that Lebron's overall numbers are lower from outside 3 feet is because he's smart enough to focus on threes, which are worth MORE, instead of shooting midrange twos, which are shots that are both tougher to get (because you get into the defense) AND are worth less. Shooting more midrange twos does not make you a better outside shooter if it means you're shooting fewer threes, and even though it makes your FG% go up a little, it makes your eFG% go down.

Lebron's overall impact on shooting outside of 3 feet is basically the same as Kobe, McGrady, and Rose, and substantially better than Iverson, Wade, and Wizards Jordan.

I don't have the numbers for Jordan pre-2000. My guess is that he was even less efficient from distance in the 1980s, but more efficient in the 1990s. However, the lack of threes would have kept his efficiency from being that high, because he certainly wasn't doing much better than 43-44% on midrange twos when he was only shooting 51-52% on twos overall during that time.

Magic, obviously, would be worse than all of these guys from distance.

 

[CHICAGO]

But you stan a career 29% 3p shooter who always got to the line and still barely shoots 45% for his career

WHEN DID 4 FT PER GAME
BECOME A LOT OF FREE THROWS?

WHEN DID 45% BECOME BAD FOR A PG?

WHAT DOES ROSE SHOOT FROM BEYOND THEEE FEET?



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[CHICAGO]

Convoluted stats always look surprising because you don't see them for anyone else and don't take obvious shyt into account.

@CHICAGO treating shots inside 3 feet and outside 3 feet like they different, but treating twos and threes like they the same? How dumb is that?

So instead of mixing together twos and threes and treating them the same like this is the 1960s, here are the actual numbers for outside shooting.

I picked out a few elite perimeter players from the last twenty years who were volume scorers, as opposed to elite shooters. Here are the numbers that matter:


Lebron 39.2% on twos from 3-23 feet, 34.2% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 43.0%

Iverson 38.8% on twos from 3-23 feet, 30.8% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 40.4%

Wade 40.8% on twos from 3-23 feet, 28.7% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 39.1%

McGrady 40.8% on twos from 3-23 feet, 34.1% on threes, eFG% outside 3 feet is 43.8%

Kobe 42.3% on twos from 3-23 feet, 32.9% on threes, eFG% outside of 3 feet is 44.2%

Rose 42.2% on twos from 3-23 feet, 29.8% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 42.9%

Wizards Jordan 41.1% on twos from 3-23 feet, 24.1% on threes. eFG% outside 3 feet is 40.4%


The only reason that Lebron's overall numbers are lower from outside 3 feet is because he's smart enough to focus on threes, which are worth MORE, instead of shooting midrange twos, which are shots that are both tougher to get (because you get into the defense) AND are worth less. Shooting more midrange twos does not make you a better outside shooter if it means you're shooting fewer threes, and even though it makes your FG% go up a little, it makes your eFG% go down.

Lebron's overall impact on shooting outside of 3 feet is basically the same as Kobe, McGrady, and Rose, and substantially better than Iverson, Wade, and Wizards Jordan.

I don't have the numbers for Jordan pre-2000. My guess is that he was even less efficient from distance in the 1980s, but more efficient in the 1990s. However, the lack of threes would have kept his efficiency from being that high, because he certainly wasn't doing much better than 43-44% on midrange twos when he was only shooting 51-52% on twos overall during that time.

Magic, obviously, would be worse than all of these guys from distance.

SO TAKING 3PS OUT OF THE EQUATION
AND BRON STILL SHOOTS BELOW 40% FROM OUTSIDE OF THREE FEET.

TYPED ALL THAT shyt FOR NOTHING
HAHAHA



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[Draje]

SO TAKING 3PS OUT OF THE EQUATION
AND BRON STILL SHOOTS BELOW 40% FROM OUTSIDE OF THREE FEET.

TYPED ALL THAT shyt FOR NOTHING
HAHAHA



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Ignoring how good Lebron is at shooting three pointers and finishing at the rim, he's only great at scoring in the mid-range as opposed to elite like Kobe and Jordan.

That's literally what you're arguing as a flaw right now. Ignoring an area where Lebron is GOAT-tier and an area where he's elite then he's probably only a great scorer and no one of the best.

 

[MalikX]

Be called Top 2 in NBA History when a team played off you by 15 feet and DARED you to shoot in the Finals This dude is still a professional basketball player who practices day in and day out but they thought his jumpshot was so trash they gave him 20 feet of space

 

[CHICAGO]

Ignoring how good Lebron is at shooting three pointers and finishing at the rim, he's only great at scoring in the mid-range as opposed to elite like Kobe and Jordan.

That's literally what you're arguing as a flaw right now. Ignoring an area where Lebron is GOAT-tier and an area where he's elite then he's probably only a great scorer and no one of the best.

34% CAREER 3P IS BELOW AVERAGE THOUGH.

HES A BELOW AVERAGE SCORER FROM EVERY DISTANCE BEYOND 3 FEET.

BELOW AVERAGE FT SHOOTER TOO.

HE CANT BE TOP 5.



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[MalikX]

Lebron is the perfect combination of size, speed and court vision. That's about it. Ungodly physical gifts. But that nikka can't shoot to save his life. He look like Terry Crews out there trying to shoot with his overgrown muscles He would've been an Ox if he just played football instead.

 

[MostReal]

IN TOP 5 ALL TIME DISCUSSIONS.

PLEASE STOP DISRESPECTING THE SKILLED GREATS OF THE PAST.


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people who know basketball see this. LeBron ain't no center, he's a SF and the man does not have the skill set of a true wing player. He can't even run plays off ball