Piff Perkins
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The fact that ether is now considered a verb tells you everything you need to know.
"I Didn't Speak to Jay for 2 weeks after Ether" - Dame Dash
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Who the fukk said he lost?You just said Nas had the best diss in the battle... how do you lose a battle with the best song in it
I said it's hard to call a winner, cause Jay didn't deliver a full song.
A loose comparison would be who's the best baller CP3 or Aaron Rodgers?
Ether was the best diss in the beef though, and if that's the criteria.. Well then he won.
If like in a real war, the cumulative strikes are counted and not one single strike, then it gets a bit harder (for me).. However discussing Nas/Jay-z with Nas stans or discussing Nas with Nas stans overall is amongst the most stupid shyt you can do on forums, all rationality, logic and all that shyt just ceases to exist.
Its not hard to call a winner. Jay was shellshocked and lost all the bass in his voice. Jay still talks about Ether. Nas doesnt talk about Takeover. Its pretty fukkin obvious.
People don't wanna ask Nas questions about real shyt like getting fukked for his publishing, Jay leaving condoms in his baby momas cars and shyt like that.
They are friends now, there's no reason for that. People (Jays friends like Cypha) still ask him about the beef, cause there's nothing personal really. Camel and shyt like that are old jokes that Jay has recognized. Nas has been asked about the beef as well but he deads the discussion quite quick. The difference is the "classic battle elements" in Ether with nearly all jokes and unreasonable opinions like Beans being better while Takeover was like 3 facts and nothing else.
And Jay thought Ether was dope, he was shocked to hear Nas that mad/energetic I'm assuming.. How that is relevant to anything does not make sense, he'd be lying to himself and the public if he didn't admit that it was a good job.
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dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Ahhh, ether. Glad I was of age to properly experience that greatness...then the stillmatic, lost tapes, and god's son run 
Nas is my sheppard, I shall not want. ....except a new album.
Nas is my sheppard, I shall not want. ....except a new album.
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Ahhh, ether. Glad I was of age to properly experience that greatness...then the still attic all dumb lost tapes, and god's son run
I know its the auto correct 
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Omg, I'm dead lol. Typing on the phone soon as you wake up clearly isn't my best skill
I know its the auto correct
Mike Otherz
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nas won the battle end off. at the same time, nas self ethered himself though on some lines in hindsight.
u only seem to be concerned with dissing women. that ish was true in the sense that insecure dudes will project their insecurities onto women by blaming them all the time and actin like macs when they in thier feelings etc, but at the same time, jay women choices clearly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nas as time has proven. i mean, nas wifed 2 crazy women, while jay got the best possible woman in entertainment who seems non crazy and loyal and supportive and non hoish. so maybe jays philosophy was correct after all.
the dikk sucking lips and eminem murdered youo on ur own shyt point to black self hatred. fact it, lots of black people have big lips, to insinuate that that is bad is self hating. and its homophobic. and the putting of a white man over a black man is some slave mentality sh!t as well.
in the heat of the battle with all weapons drawn nas won, but damn he kind of lost as well with his philosophy.
u only seem to be concerned with dissing women. that ish was true in the sense that insecure dudes will project their insecurities onto women by blaming them all the time and actin like macs when they in thier feelings etc, but at the same time, jay women choices clearly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nas as time has proven. i mean, nas wifed 2 crazy women, while jay got the best possible woman in entertainment who seems non crazy and loyal and supportive and non hoish. so maybe jays philosophy was correct after all.
the dikk sucking lips and eminem murdered youo on ur own shyt point to black self hatred. fact it, lots of black people have big lips, to insinuate that that is bad is self hating. and its homophobic. and the putting of a white man over a black man is some slave mentality sh!t as well.
in the heat of the battle with all weapons drawn nas won, but damn he kind of lost as well with his philosophy.
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nikka..u can write 50 essays..FACT is..Jay LOST..period..it was unanimous ..he beat him in EVERY poll they had on that shyt..NOBODY thought Nas would come back like that..no one...
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Imagine an alternate universe where Nas had prime Dame in his corner....
Imagine if Biggie never died, started the commission w/ jay z; big L never died, joined the commission through his rockafella ties, then they got a 190 lb big pun to feature on said work. What about the alternate reality where Hitler cured cancer, @Long_Live_The_Kane ? The answer is don't think about it!
I mean Jay-z was on some 
ish when he heard it on the radio, how can you say he won? He knew that song was knockout punch right there, even when he dropped takeover, the battle was already over
ish when he heard it on the radio, how can you say he won? He knew that song was knockout punch right there, even when he dropped takeover, the battle was already overAlexander Wiggin
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man stop
You say Jay just did one verse and Nas dedicated a ol song... Well, it's not like it was a handicap match or if there was a rule that say Jay cannot dedicated more verse about Nas. Jay had a strategy to go subtle with it which seemed like a good strategy and it worked until Nas led the bomb. Jay didn't expect Nas to counter attack with such violence. But you can't say Nas has a advantage because ether was all about Jay and takeover not. Jay just use the wrong strategy because he was too self confident. He took takeover as a victory lap. It's like if you're a strong warrior and the guy in front of you used to be strong warrior aswell but you think got soft, you throw a semi punch just to test the water and the opponent give you a brutal knockout right after, don't come crying sayin you didn't give all you had. Canibus said it best, it's not about who strikes first but who strike the hardest. Notice how takeover was classy and super ugly was jay going into the mud. He didn't find the perfect balance between vulgarities, facts and clever punchlines like ether did
And to even say nas dedicated a all song is not really true, if you listen to ether closely, the first verse ain't really touching jay at all and the second verse is Nas' autocritisiscm, only the third verse really goes in. And to me Nas dropped more facts in Ether than takeover contrary to popular beliefs, he even put light on some Jay's defaults that came to the surface later like the disrepect about women or jay riding the bandwagon
If jay himself admit he lost and the entire roc camp too, why jay stans continue to struggle
A lot of rationalizations in this thread...
Ether was the best track in that battle, but it doesn't even matter. Even if Takeover had been better musically or even if Jay had another 5 songs that were musically better than Ether, Jay still lost because of the impact Ether had on him.
This was more than just a contest of who had the better music, it was a strategic battle straight out of Sun Tzu. And in the end, Nas just outmaneuvered and outplayed Jay.
Jay thought he had the advantage so he hit first. He thought Nas was done anyway and he wanted to take credit for ending him, and also to get revenge because Nas didn't extend him the respect he thought he deserved.
Nas was hit hard, but he remained calm. He didn't rush into responding like Jay later did with Superugly. Nas bided his time, got his shyt together and came out not only with his best punch musically, but with a full blown psychological attack on Jay. Unlike Nas, Jay didn't know how to act. The truth is that Ether broke him. He went from being on top of the world one day to sounding like a rape victim on Hot 97 the next.
Instead of doing what Nas did, Jay rushed out into damage control mode and put out half-baked shyt like Superugly and the track where he called himself "European Hov"(). And the fans didn't miss that.
That was where the battle was lost. Everyone started riding with Nas after that, not because Ether was that much better musically than Takeover(it wasn't), but because Jay acted like the loser and Nas acted like the winner. Even people in Jay's own camp could see that he lost and told him so.
People see what you let them see, and when they looked at Nas they saw a confident dude who acted like he won, and when they looked at Jay they saw an insecure, broken dude sounding like "d-d-did I warrant that?", not like his usual cocky and aggressive self.
Even a year later that demeanor still hadn't changed:
- on Last real nikka alive Nas had the attitude of "ok it's over, I won, let me tell all of you what happened"
- on Blueprint 2 Jay still acted inferior, he was still campaigning for the people to ride with him("but but I donate alot of money, how much does Nas give?") and trying to save face("even in defeat...")
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I'm a Nas stan but from my POV, while Nas' music was better, it wasn't that much better than Jay's. If you compare Ether + Stillmatic freestyle + random subliminal jabs vs Takeover + Superugly + random subliminal jabs, Nas won, but not by a lot. I'd say it was 60% vs 40% in Nas' favor.
But the real 'war' was fought the way I described above, and Nas won. Jay-s hundreds of millions or his pretty wife don't retroactively change that.
Ether was the best track in that battle, but it doesn't even matter. Even if Takeover had been better musically or even if Jay had another 5 songs that were musically better than Ether, Jay still lost because of the impact Ether had on him.
This was more than just a contest of who had the better music, it was a strategic battle straight out of Sun Tzu. And in the end, Nas just outmaneuvered and outplayed Jay.
Jay thought he had the advantage so he hit first. He thought Nas was done anyway and he wanted to take credit for ending him, and also to get revenge because Nas didn't extend him the respect he thought he deserved.
Nas was hit hard, but he remained calm. He didn't rush into responding like Jay later did with Superugly. Nas bided his time, got his shyt together and came out not only with his best punch musically, but with a full blown psychological attack on Jay. Unlike Nas, Jay didn't know how to act. The truth is that Ether broke him. He went from being on top of the world one day to sounding like a rape victim on Hot 97 the next.
Instead of doing what Nas did, Jay rushed out into damage control mode and put out half-baked shyt like Superugly and the track where he called himself "European Hov"(
). And the fans didn't miss that. That was where the battle was lost. Everyone started riding with Nas after that, not because Ether was that much better musically than Takeover(it wasn't), but because Jay acted like the loser and Nas acted like the winner. Even people in Jay's own camp could see that he lost and told him so.
People see what you let them see, and when they looked at Nas they saw a confident dude who acted like he won, and when they looked at Jay they saw an insecure, broken dude sounding like "d-d-did I warrant that?
", not like his usual cocky and aggressive self.Even a year later that demeanor still hadn't changed:
- on Last real nikka alive Nas had the attitude of "ok it's over, I won, let me tell all of you what happened"
- on Blueprint 2 Jay still acted inferior, he was still campaigning for the people to ride with him("but but I donate alot of money, how much does Nas give?") and trying to save face("even in defeat...")
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I'm a Nas stan but from my POV, while Nas' music was better, it wasn't that much better than Jay's. If you compare Ether + Stillmatic freestyle + random subliminal jabs vs Takeover + Superugly + random subliminal jabs, Nas won, but not by a lot. I'd say it was 60% vs 40% in Nas' favor.
But the real 'war' was fought the way I described above, and Nas won. Jay-s hundreds of millions or his pretty wife don't retroactively change that.
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next gloria carter gonna come out and say her son lost.