"I Didn't Speak to Jay for 2 weeks after Ether" - Dame Dash

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Same people who say that Ether is only playground insults are the ones who keep saying Takeover is all facts. Like the "one hot album" line is a fact :comeon:, like Nas is getting fukked on publishing is a fact when MC Serch already refuted that :stopitslime:.
or how you made it a hot line hot song bullshyt that came from the fukking The World is Yours:wtf: or showing Nas his 1st tech:dahell:any nikka that grew up in the projects knew somebody who had a tech.Jay acted like a tech was some rare shyt:aicmon:
 

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nas won the battle end off. at the same time, nas self ethered himself though on some lines in hindsight.


u only seem to be concerned with dissing women. that ish was true in the sense that insecure dudes will project their insecurities onto women by blaming them all the time and actin like macs when they in thier feelings etc, but at the same time, jay women choices clearly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nas as time has proven. i mean, nas wifed 2 crazy women, while jay got the best possible woman in entertainment who seems non crazy and loyal and supportive and non hoish. so maybe jays philosophy was correct after all.

the dikk sucking lips and eminem murdered youo on ur own shyt point to black self hatred. fact it, lots of black people have big lips, to insinuate that that is bad is self hating. and its homophobic. and the putting of a white man over a black man is some slave mentality sh!t as well.

in the heat of the battle with all weapons drawn nas won, but damn he kind of lost as well with his philosophy.

Nas wasn't the first to say dikk suckin lips in reference to Jay.
 

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Ether was so vulgar and disrespectful :lawdeddie:

After the third verse, I sat in my room like

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This shyt was just mean :pachaha:

And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big
And, Eminem murdered you on your own shyt
You a dikk-riding fakkit, you love the attention
Queens nikkas run you nikkas, ask Russell Simmons
Ha, R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quick
J.J. Evans get gunned up and clapped quick
Your whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quick
Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dikk :dead:
So little shorty's getting gunned up and clapped quick
How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?
Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
You pop shyt, apologize, nikka, just ask Kiss
 

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A lot of rationalizations in this thread...

Ether was the best track in that battle, but it doesn't even matter. Even if Takeover had been better musically or even if Jay had another 5 songs that were musically better than Ether, Jay still lost because of the impact Ether had on him.

This was more than just a contest of who had the better music, it was a strategic battle straight out of Sun Tzu. And in the end, Nas just outmaneuvered and outplayed Jay.

Jay thought he had the advantage so he hit first. He thought Nas was done anyway and he wanted to take credit for ending him, and also to get revenge because Nas didn't extend him the respect he thought he deserved.
Nas was hit hard, but he remained calm. He didn't rush into responding like Jay later did with Superugly. Nas bided his time, got his shyt together and came out not only with his best punch musically, but with a full blown psychological attack on Jay. Unlike Nas, Jay didn't know how to act. The truth is that Ether broke him. He went from being on top of the world one day to sounding like a rape victim on Hot 97 the next.
Instead of doing what Nas did, Jay rushed out into damage control mode and put out half-baked shyt like Superugly and the track where he called himself "European Hov"(:pachaha:). And the fans didn't miss that.

That was where the battle was lost. Everyone started riding with Nas after that, not because Ether was that much better musically than Takeover(it wasn't), but because Jay acted like the loser and Nas acted like the winner. Even people in Jay's own camp could see that he lost and told him so.

People see what you let them see, and when they looked at Nas they saw a confident dude who acted like he won, and when they looked at Jay they saw an insecure, broken dude sounding like "d-d-did I warrant that?:to:", not like his usual cocky and aggressive self.

Even a year later that demeanor still hadn't changed:
- on Last real nikka alive Nas had the attitude of "ok it's over, I won, let me tell all of you what happened"
- on Blueprint 2 Jay still acted inferior, he was still campaigning for the people to ride with him("but but I donate alot of money, how much does Nas give?") and trying to save face("even in defeat...")
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I'm a Nas stan but from my POV, while Nas' music was better, it wasn't that much better than Jay's. If you compare Ether + Stillmatic freestyle + random subliminal jabs vs Takeover + Superugly + random subliminal jabs, Nas won, but not by a lot. I'd say it was 60% vs 40% in Nas' favor.

But the real 'war' was fought the way I described above, and Nas won. Jay-s hundreds of millions or his pretty wife don't retroactively change that.

I think a lot of this is correct,but people need to stop acting like Nas was some innocent bystander,this nikka was throwin shots at Jay and hiding his hands like a mafuka,just like he did wit Pac and admitted he did wit Biggie....thats hiphop but people need to stop acting like Nas was some poor innocent nikka Jay decided to bully cuz he thought he was weak or because he was bitter Nas didn't come to his video years before:mjlol:....also like you said its a disservice for people to act like Jay got washed even if you think he lost:wtb:....Takeover is incredible:banderas:,keep actin like he didn't change your perception of Nas if you want to:heh:
 
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