"I Didn't Speak to Jay for 2 weeks after Ether" - Dame Dash

[Get Right]

1. lol he wasn't an underdog then and hadn't been one for a long time...but rap fans need to make someone the underdog going up against the fav, even when it isn't real...

2. that goes with what I said...since nas didn't officially respond with anything else, it made it seem like he was done with the battle...so with jay being the only one still going, the aura of each thing he released was getting reduced, while it added to the aura of ether...

3. not true...what did he say that made it more powerful: he felt insulted cause the man told him to suck his dikk?...that's how a lot of men feel when it comes to that....anyway, people used that as a reason to say ether was better, but it didn't matter...they more cared just to see jay fall than anything else, and up to that point they didn't have shyt to rally around to see that happen...nas was just a big enough name (another example showing he wasn't an underdog) they could rally around...

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[Mike Otherz]

who gives a fukk

i dont. i hate pitchfork, just saying the narrative isnt nas killed jay everywhere. definitesly message boards and probably between the partcipants as well, but in this pc era, that homophobia isht dont flyon mainstream music sites.

 

[the cac mamba]

i dont. i hate pitchfork, just saying the narrative isnt nas killed jay everywhere. definitesly message boards and probably between the partcipants as well, but in this pc era, that homophobia isht dont flyon mainstream music sites.

i wasnt around during this. i mean i was 11 so i didnt get it. stillmatic was actually the first cd i ever bought, n i was just like this is a cool track

from what i read i feel like dudes say the consensus was, nas got him. idk

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

I'm not even shocked dame said that. Your favorite actor, favorite athlete, favorite rapper, even jay himself, all pay homage to nas. Even Harvard had to make a fellowship to honor the poet. I always said that just like we learn about Shakespeare and Langston Hughes in school, Nas will be taught in school the same way. That's the difference between being a commercial rapper who treats the music like a commodity, vs being a poet who strives for greatness. That's why 20 years later he still can get accolades and still be so relevant in hip hop. What other rapper can say that?

 

[Piff Perkins]

People forget that Jay only survived ether cause all his alter ego's end up taking the bullet for him...

The black brad pit had to die...Jay hasn't been him since Ether
European Jay had to die...Jay hasn't been him since Ether
Hovito had to die...Jay hasn't been him since Ether
Jigga had to die...Jay hasn't been him since Ether

Jay straight sacrificed these nikkas in order for him to keep going...if not for them he would have had to fall back on that A1 credit

@ Hov creating Horcruxes on some Voldermont steez to survive Ether

 

[Urbanmiracle]

nas won. Deal with it

 

[Bickin Back Being Bool]

I'm not even shocked dame said that. Your favorite actor, favorite athlete, favorite rapper, even jay himself, all pay homage to nas. Even Harvard had to make a fellowship to honor the poet. I always said that just like we learn about Shakespeare and Langston Hughes in school, Nas will be taught in school the same way. That's the difference between being a commercial rapper who treats the music like a commodity, vs being a poet who strives for greatness. That's why 20 years later he still can get accolades and still be so relevant in hip hop. What other rapper can say that?

Jay Z

 

[Another Man]

Jay stan tighter than lil waynes pants ITT

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

Jay Z

Actually no. Jay is praised more for his business acumen than his ability as an artist. Even jay said it: "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars, they criticize me for it, yet they all yell 'holla'".


Holla :stephenaplz:

 

[Still Benefited]

Jay stan tighter than lil waynes pants ITT

its easy to get tight when you feel you right but people act like they cant see it



nikkas really actin like this diss wasn't crazy,didn't have some of the most clever original concepts ever thrown in a rap battle...The pure disgust and talkin down on a nikka,just the tone...yet sumhow we pretend Ether blew it out the water,this one Jay verse at Nas is just so strong....yall fakin actin like yall didn't look at Nas like a chump after this dropped...that's an impactful diss,i admit Nas got it based on shock and he's one of the few rappers who had the credibility to pull a Jay on Jay at the time as far as talkin down..Ether is just a poor mans Jay impression,but it works because of Nas credibility in hiphop...but them bars and concepts aint fukin wit what Hov bought period.

 

[HNIC973]

I think a lot of this is correct,but people need to stop acting like Nas was some innocent bystander,this nikka was throwin shots at Jay and hiding his hands like a mafuka,just like he did wit Pac and admitted he did wit Biggie....thats hiphop but people need to stop acting like Nas was some poor innocent nikka Jay decided to bully cuz he thought he was weak or because he was bitter Nas didn't come to his video years before....also like you said its a disservice for people to act like Jay got washed even if you think he lost....Takeover is incredible,keep actin like he didn't change your perception of Nas if you want to

nothing he said in that diss changed any perception it just proved how sheepish Jay and his fans are.nikka went on live radio acting straight bytchmade because another nikka dissed himclaiming momma told me I had to apologize .If anything the perception should be how much of bytch Jay really is

 

[fact]

Wait, I thought people hype up Ether because they like to make fun of Jay and shyt, and "Ether day" is a running joke.
People really think that Ether is one of the best disses ever? I mean it was good, (it didnt have the impact of Takeover, Takeover set off all sorts of sub wars within the hip hop community at the time) but it's not like "bytch in you" status or anything.

 

[fact]

Nas did win the battle but lets not act like Dame comments are not motivated by bitterness.

Disagree, I mean this dude ended up actually signing a label deal under the man that said he "left condoms on the baby seat".

 

[Still Benefited]

nothing he said in that diss changed any perception it just proved how sheepish Jay and his fans are.nikka went on live radio acting straight bytchmade because another nikka dissed himclaiming momma told me I had to apologize .If anything the perception should be how much of bytch Jay really is

You right it didn't change the perception it was the perception people already had of Nas,but being that he was Nas nikkas just thought "maybe he'll get back to making classics again on day"....Jay said what nikkas was thinkin outloud,he was the confirmation "Nah give it up,Nas is washed up nikka,hate it had to be him"....and as somebody who was a Nas fan every line in that verse stung,it was like watchin ya old pitbull taken out back to get shot,you tellin yaself "maybe its time for him to be put down"....but lowkey you hopin the gun jam or he stand up on two legs like....Its like watchin flabby Ali get beat by a young Larry Holmes,u know the towel need to be thrown,but lowkey you hopin they don't and Ali make a comeback....even though I was a bigger Jay fan at that time lowkey I wanted to see Nas come back swinging....But that Takeover verse is doctor coming out to the waitin room where nikkas still had hope even though it looked doubtful Nas was gon pull through....and bodly giving a disrespectful speech powerful enough to make nikkas realize "He right?that nikka dead,go ahead and pull the plug doc" by the end of the verse.


he handled it bad afterwards though definitely,nikka was a little too hurt by the fact fans wasn't ridin for em like he thought they would....that whole "im hurt yall didn't pick me" run he went on went against his entire ice cold persona id come to know em for...You Jay you not supposed to be in your feelins about that,if anything it woulda been more epic if he came back shyttin on fans who switched...woulda fit his persona way better than that guilt trip he tried to lay on nikkas

 

[JYoung24]

People don't wanna ask Nas questions about real shyt like getting fukked for his publishing, Jay leaving condoms in his baby momas cars and shyt like that.
They are friends now, there's no reason for that. People (Jays friends like Cypha) still ask him about the beef, cause there's nothing personal really. Camel and shyt like that are old jokes that Jay has recognized. Nas has been asked about the beef as well but he deads the discussion quite quick. The difference is the "classic battle elements" in Ether with nearly all jokes and unreasonable opinions like Beans being better while Takeover was like 3 facts and nothing else.

And Jay thought Ether was dope, he was shocked to hear Nas that mad/energetic I'm assuming.. How that is relevant to anything does not make sense, he'd be lying to himself and the public if he didn't admit that it was a good job.

Take over had only one fact in it bruh