I dont think we should vote for the Democrats this election cycle

[MeachTheMonster]

Texas, Tennessee, Montana, Arkansas and Maryland have the highest black high school graduation rates, and all but 1 are deep red states. Nevada, Minnesota, Oregon, DC and Michigan have the lowest black high school graduation rates, and all but 1 all deep blue states.

Although there doesn't seem to be a strong correlation between black poverty rates by state and state political affiliation. Same for black homicide rate.

So that's it? High school graduation rates that are really all over the place

 

[Reflected]

I can't stand the people that come into threads, typically political threads, and call people stupid without explaining why they are wrong. If you are so much more educated on the topic, it wouldn't be a hassle to explain your point of view. I'm tired of the " And this is why Americans are so dumb. " comments with no explanation as to why you consider them dumb. If you are highly educated on this topic, explain and take pride in doing so. Instead of allowing people to continue to be uneducated.

 

[King Kreole]

So that's it? High school graduation rates that are really all over the place

ok, according to what metrics are democrats providing blacks with a markedly better standard of life for them to be garnering such a large majority of the black vote? Not education, not crime and not poverty. The most damaging policy towards blacks in recent history was ushered in by the Democrats. What is the compelling reason for black folk to vote for democrats over republicans? Trump may be offensive, but Hilary is dangerous. FWIW I would vote for Sanders over anybody in the field, but if it's Hilary vs Rubio or Jeb, I would rather not vote than vote in a Clinton after what they did.

 

[god shamgod]

Next years election will probably be the 1st time since 1996 that I don't vote all the candidates suck

 

[MeachTheMonster]

ok, according to what metrics are democrats providing blacks with a markedly better standard of life for them to be garnering such a large majority of the black vote? Not education, not crime and not poverty.

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Under Democratic presidents, black families’ incomes grew on average $895 dollars annually, but grew only by $142 dollars under Republicans. The black unemployment rate fell by a net 7.9 percentage points across the 26 years of Democratic leadership, but went up by a net of 13.7 points during 28 years of Republican presidencies. Across the years of Democratic leadership, black poverty declined by a net of 23.6 percentage points, but grew by three points when Republicans held the White House.

And beyond the historical data, on the issues of today it's democracts advocating policy that would help black folks.

The most damaging policy towards blacks in recent history was ushered in by the Democrats. What is the compelling reason for black folk to vote for democrats over republicans? Trump may be offensive, but Hilary is dangerous. FWIW I would vote for Sanders over anybody in the field, but if it's Hilary vs Rubio or Jeb, I would rather not vote than vote in a Clinton after what they did.

Yes Clinton put forth that policy, but it was with the support of republicans and a continuation of the "war on drugs" started by Regan.

And as of today in 2015 it's the democracts trying to get rid of these laws and republicans trying to bolster them.

I'm no fan of Hillary either, but she's still the lesser of two evils, and not voting is not an option.

 

[King Kreole]

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I wonder how far back this study goes though, because they're mentioning data from the Johnson years, and to conduct any sort of analysis utilizing nominal political affiliation before the 70s is kind of . Either way, the trend is interesting and I'd like to know exactly what factors are causing this divergence. The authors mention affirmative action, but surely this trend is too large for that to be a meaningful factor. Blacks are disproportionately poor, so I suppose if the Democrats were the party of the poor, blacks would be swept up in that tide, but I'm not comfortable making that claim. Also, I know this thread is about the presidency, but state and local level politics is usually far more important to the actual standard of living for people than federal politics.

Yes Clinton put forth that policy, but it was with the support of republicans and a continuation of the "war on drugs" started by Regan.

And as of today in 2015 it's the democracts trying to get rid of these laws and republicans trying to bolster them.

I'm no fan of Hillary either, but she's still the lesser of two evils, and not voting is not an option.

Yeah, my claim wasn't that Republicans are better for black folk, it was that democrats aren't our saviour. Because both parties are subsumed under the white supremacy, I don't think voting according to race will result in any coherent or consistent progress for black people in this day and age. Hilary is totally beholden to corporate interests and i've seen her do this song and dance before, so I wouldn't trust her to follow through on any campaign promises of institutional reform once her donors come knocking. We saw the same thing happen with Bill and Obama. Lots of hype, then capitulation once money steps in. Hilary is in their mold; a centrist playing revolutionary for votes. I personally believe not voting is an option, because I don't think the American political system is functional (or designed to be functional) on the issues I would find important.

 

[Barnett114]

Believe in voting for either party brehs

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I wonder how far back this study goes though, because they're mentioning data from the Johnson years, and to conduct any sort of analysis utilizing nominal political affiliation before the 70s is kind of . Either way, the trend is interesting and I'd like to know exactly what factors are causing this divergence. The authors mention affirmative action, but surely this trend is too large for that to be a meaningful factor. Blacks are disproportionately poor, so I suppose if the Democrats were the party of the poor, blacks would be swept up in that tide, but I'm not comfortable making that claim. Also, I know this thread is about the presidency, but state and local level politics is usually far more important to the actual standard of living for people than federal politics.

That's exactly what it is. It isn't a case of democrats being more fond of black folks. Its because democratic policies are usually in support of the poor/working class, and that's where most black people reside. So we usually benefit from and support dems.

and you are correct about local elections. There's also more of a chance that local repubs have working class friendly policy. I voted for the republican governor in my home state cause his policies were good and the democrat was trash.

Yeah, my claim wasn't that Republicans are better for black folk, it was that democrats aren't our saviour. Because both parties are subsumed under the white supremacy, I don't think voting according to race will result in any coherent or consistent progress for black people in this day and age. Hilary is totally beholden to corporate interests and i've seen her do this song and dance before, so I wouldn't trust her to follow through on any campaign promises of institutional reform once her donors come knocking. We saw the same thing happen with Bill and Obama. Lots of hype, then capitulation once money steps in. Hilary is in their mold; a centrist playing revolutionary for votes. I personally believe not voting is an option, because I don't think the American political system is functional (or designed to be functional) on the issues I would find important.

no one is advocating blindly voting according to race. Its the issues, and there's no way in hell a black person could vote republican in a national election, on the issues.

And I gotta disagree with your last point. From my standpoint the only way to fix the system is to participate. You take your ball and go home, you're admitting defeat.