I finally have to admit. We gave MJ too many passes...

[Hov]

Again, MJ was just a pure artist. Dude was on a different level, it doesn't automatically equal "Freak," psychopath, sociopath, etc.

People don't even know what an "artist" is anymore.

Everyone wants to applaud "out of the box" thinking and creativity, sit there and wish they could do it themselves, but yet frown at people who do stuff that:



NOT CARING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF YOU = free spirit and the true way to embrace creativity.

As long as you're not harming anybody else in the process, you're living fine and living right. Has it been proven MJ was doing anything to those kids? No.

But here's the problem. The way the world works, people in charge are truthfully scared of people like MJ who don't want the "norm" for themselves.

Which means you can't confine them to the norm. You can't enslave them in repetitive 9 to 5's where they earn nothing. You can't trap them in college debt. You can't tell them to go to school where they earn great degrees (including engineering and sciences) only to be denied employment by somebody who doesn't approve deep down inside of their skin color or still thinks the "other" candidates will fair better for no logical reason. This is taking no shot at anybody going through or has gone through school, I working through that myself.

However, I guarantee you most of the "educated" on this planet would trade places with someone like Prince in a heartbeat.

People like MJ lived the dream. So yes, that's what we should all strive to be, because that's our right as human beings. We're entitled to that just by being here.

Let's see other types like MJ:

All are just as quirky and artistic. All also have exaggerated gossip about them. All of them like MJ (not certain about Hendrix) also dabbled other artistic avenues (painting, sculpting, etc.). You think those cats care about being "clowned" like most folks do? It's easy to generate rumors about cats that dress like that, because that's what boring normal people do and feast on.

Like I also mentioned in another post, people like most rappers today brag about the art they buy. How many of them are truly artistic though?
Which rappers and other singers, who let's face it have somewhat boring personas in comparison to the MJ's, Prince's, Lady Gaga's, Pharrell's of the entertainment world, could pull off drawings like this?

Look at more of his drawings:
http://www.yanagirl.com/drawings

Ya'll could educate yourselves more on people like MJ, so you don't get it confused with people who truly should worry society:
http://www.celebritytypes.com/isfp.php
http://careerassessmentsite.com/celebrity-personality-types/mbti-isfp/

Let's start with this. I 1000% agree with what you are saying as far as quirky - idealistic dreamers who are extremely outside of the box the world tries to put us in. They are not to be feared, they are to be admired. You are talking to someone whos offline life is dedicated to art and creativity, and wouldn't even mind talking to you PM or starting a thread to celebrate this.

I also think you are skirting around the point of this thread. Nothing you said justifies MJs disgusting actions.

Everyone you posted - everything you posted - everything you said about creativity has nothing - NOTHING - NOT A DAMN THING to do with sleeping in the bed nude with children, nor wear any of these people ever accused or admitted to doing anything like that.

Where does MJs creativity give him an excuse not to live in the real world? Would you let your child stay 3 days with MJ?

There are no special exemptions, even if you missed out on a childhood, you are famous, or even the man insists repeatedly that it is "innocent". No way!

http://www.mjfacts.info/michael-jackson-sleepovers.php

 

[Ego Noir]

What I am trying to understand, is what has MJ done to deserve the benefit of the doubt?

Like I am losing my mind trying to understand this reasoning. He has a complex where he wants to be a big kid, but he only keeps little sick or foreign kids around him, and sleeps with them in his underwear. At FORTY YEARS OLD.

I havent even started putting the details in this thread, they are disgusting

The benefit of the doubt is that HE DIDNT GROW UP LIKE YOU OR ME.

He never had a childhood and was abused. He can't even socialize properly he's so clammy.

You and I see something wrong with it because our minds as an adult are geared towards sex. So given those scenerios all we could think of is some sick diobolical plan to end up fukking the boy in his ass.

Michael can very well just want to chill in his jammies and ride roller coasters compensating for his lost childhood.

Just like you could chill with a chick and she be just your homegirl, but you got nikkas insisting you're smashing. Same deal here.

 

[CinnaSlim]

Id believe that Michael and Diana had a relationship before I believe he lusted after little boys.

I think he envied their innocence, youth and naivety. But I do not think it was sexual.

I need to find the link of all the items found in his house. His porn stash was listed and it was obvious that he liked women

 

[Bomberman]

Let's start with this. I 1000% agree with what you are saying as far as quirky - idealistic dreamers who are extremely outside of the box the world tries to put us in. They are not to be feared, they are to be admired. You are talking to someone whos offline life is dedicated to art and creativity, and wouldn't even mind talking to you PM or starting a thread to celebrate this.

I also think you are skirting around the point of this thread. Nothing you said justifies MJs disgusting actions.

Everyone you posted - everything you posted - everything you said about creativity has nothing - NOTHING - NOT A DAMN THING to do with sleeping in the bed nude with children, nor wear any of these people ever accused or admitted to doing anything like that.

Where does MJs creativity give him an excuse not to live in the real world? Would you let your child stay 3 days with MJ?

There are no special exemptions, even if you missed out on a childhood, you are famous, or even the man insists repeatedly that it is "innocent". No way!

http://www.mjfacts.info/michael-jackson-sleepovers.php

The thing is, other than testimony, those boys and all the other statements is just a bunch of finger pointing and gossip. No solid proof has, and I highly doubt will be found, because I believe he's honestly innocent.

I think it goes without saying, but the disgusting acts such as child sexual abuse imo are the lowest thing someone could do on this planet. For me personally, that's up there with taking an innocent life. In no case whatsoever is there an excuse to commit such a vile act. So in no way do I believe "creativity" is any excuse for those actions.

I feel where this whole thing comes from, and what makes MJ such an easy target for things like this, is his personality/nature. There could be a number of extravagant false stories about MJ, and people would believe them. That's actually very much the case today. I think his accusers have taken advantage of that and are exploiting it.

Because of the lack of proof really, this all will come down to what anybody personally believes.

Because there's a lack of evidence in these cases, nobody can reliably, without a shadow of a doubt label him a sexual predator accurately. That's the only way his name can be tarnished, and it's not even concrete.

That, combined with my belief that music is the greatest man-made invention in human history with MJ being it's greatest artist makes me defensive here. There are a lot of people out there who would love to downplay that any chance they get, and the only way for some to take MJ off that title is with non-concrete testimony and opinions.

 

[Tuneday]

We all know if he was a cac he would not be getting those kind of passes, considering the suspect nature of his actions.

 

[Hov]

The benefit of the doubt is that HE DIDNT GROW UP LIKE YOU OR ME.

He never had a childhood and was abused. He can't even socialize properly he's so clammy.

You and I see something wrong with it because our minds as an adult are geared towards sex. So given those scenerios all we could think of is some sick diobolical plan to end up fukking the boy in his ass.

Michael can very well just want to chill in his jammies and ride roller coasters compensating for his lost childhood.

Just like you could chill with a chick and she be just your homegirl, but you got nikkas insisting you're smashing. Same deal here.

Everything that you state is a hypothesis. You don't know MJ, you are not a psychiatrist. You defend him like you have met him, you don't know MJ except for his dancing, interviews and words.

He says I sleep with little boys and he can get over with it becuase people like you make 1000 excuses for him. Thats why he was so blatant with it.

"Michael can very well just want to chill in his jammies and ride roller coasters compensating for his lost childhood."

That MF aint lose no damn childhood any worse than some of our tortured kids now. Its just that you make excuses for him.

 

[Ego Noir]

Everything that you state is a hypothesis. You don't know MJ, you are not a psychiatrist. You defend him like you have met him, you don't know MJ except for his dancing, interviews and words.

He says I sleep with little boys and he can get over with it becuase people like you make 1000 excuses for him. Thats why he was so blatant with it.

"Michael can very well just want to chill in his jammies and ride roller coasters compensating for his lost childhood."

That MF aint lose no damn childhood any worse than some of our tortured kids now. Its just that you make excuses for him.

You right. Its merely heresay and he has no serious mental issues. nevermind the common problems with all his siblings, the blatant facial disfiguration, the social handicaps, and the hundreds of millions hes spent on childish belongings.

You right its just heresay.


negged

 

[Hov]

You right. Its merely heresay and he has no serious mental issues. nevermind the common problems with all his siblings, the blatant facial disfiguration, and the hundreds of millions hes spent on childish belongings.

You right its just heresay.

negged

Yet, with Jackson, they can't hold the differing views that Jackson was a great artist, someone who looked so kind, yet was in fact an acquaintance molester pedophile. They need to rationalize (or even dismiss) his actions (and the objects he owned) in an ever larger and convoluted way so that they can hold both the idea that they should be (quite rightly) suspicious of, for example, men who sleep with children and the idea that Jackson did just that. Some of their rationalizations include:

• Sleeping with someone doesn't equal sex.
• His accusers were only after money.
• The kids asked to be in his bedroom.
• The naked boy books were sent by fans, and were part of a huge library (debunked here).
• He had sex with his wives, so he couldn't be a pedophile.
• He loved all children.
• He was acquitted.
• He had the mind of a child.

On the surface, these rationalizations may appear plausible to some, however, let's go back to our friendly neighborhood middle aged man with a predilection for the company of young boys - would they be making the same excuses for him? If the answer is an emphatic no, as it should be, then we can reasonably conclude that they are suffering from cognitive dissonance.



Read more: http://www.mjfacts.info/occams-razor.php#ixzz3Epn5zHCV

 

[Hov]

A little known fact was that some items of evidence were found in Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch in a 1993 raid. These items seem to have been overlooked by the media, probably because the file below was not released publicly until 4th of October 2006, well after the end of the trial.

The items of interest are

• 'Boys Will Be Boys' - a book featuring nude photos of boys;
• 'The Boy, A Photographic Essay' - another book featuring nude photos of boys;
• A photograph of a boy, believed to be Jonathan Spence, fully nude; and
• A photograph of a young boy holding an umbrella, wearing bikini bottoms partially pulled down.

Even at face value, taken individually, these items cannot be considered in any way innocent, or even "art". Any one of these items in the hands of a man who regularly slept alone with boys of a particular age would ring alarm bells for any adult - unless you are a Michael Jackson fan that is.

An important note needs to be made here: Many people are under the mistaken belief that these items were several of millions that fans sent to Jackson and they somehow just "appeared" in his bedroom, and that he had never looked at them. Another point some try to make is that Jackson had tens of thousands of books and these items were just "jumbled" in amongst them.

Both suppositions are false.

These items were found in Michael Jackson's bedroom - the books were kept seperate in a locked filing cabinet.

 

[Ego Noir]

Yet, with Jackson, they can't hold the differing views that Jackson was a great artist, someone who looked so kind, yet was in fact an acquaintance molester pedophile. They need to rationalize (or even dismiss) his actions (and the objects he owned) in an ever larger and convoluted way so that they can hold both the idea that they should be (quite rightly) suspicious of, for example, men who sleep with children and the idea that Jackson did just that. Some of their rationalizations include:

• Sleeping with someone doesn't equal sex.
• His accusers were only after money.
• The kids asked to be in his bedroom.
• The naked boy books were sent by fans, and were part of a huge library (debunked here).
• He had sex with his wives, so he couldn't be a pedophile.
• He loved all children.
• He was acquitted.
• He had the mind of a child.

On the surface, these rationalizations may appear plausible to some, however, let's go back to our friendly neighborhood middle aged man with a predilection for the company of young boys - would they be making the same excuses for him? If the answer is an emphatic no, as it should be, then we can reasonably conclude that they are suffering from cognitive dissonance.



Read more: http://www.mjfacts.info/occams-razor.php#ixzz3Epn5zHCV

A little known fact was that some items of evidence were found in Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch in a 1993 raid. These items seem to have been overlooked by the media, probably because the file below was not released publicly until 4th of October 2006, well after the end of the trial.

The items of interest are

• 'Boys Will Be Boys' - a book featuring nude photos of boys;
• 'The Boy, A Photographic Essay' - another book featuring nude photos of boys;
• A photograph of a boy, believed to be Jonathan Spence, fully nude; and
• A photograph of a young boy holding an umbrella, wearing bikini bottoms partially pulled down.

Even at face value, taken individually, these items cannot be considered in any way innocent, or even "art". Any one of these items in the hands of a man who regularly slept alone with boys of a particular age would ring alarm bells for any adult - unless you are a Michael Jackson fan that is.

An important note needs to be made here: Many people are under the mistaken belief that these items were several of millions that fans sent to Jackson and they somehow just "appeared" in his bedroom, and that he had never looked at them. Another point some try to make is that Jackson had tens of thousands of books and these items were just "jumbled" in amongst them.

Both suppositions are false.

These items were found in Michael Jackson's bedroom - the books were kept seperate in a locked filing cabinet.

So basically you read articles that determined your thinking

An argument id entertain is that he did have mental issues but maybe as a grown man with testosterone, there are times where he got weak. Thats plausable.

But to sit here an downright deny any mental issues you sound like an idiot.

 

[Hov]

So basically you read articles that determined your thinking

An argument id entertain is that he did have mental issues but maybe as a grown man with testosterone, there are times where he got weak. Thats plausable.

But to sit here an downright deny any mental issues you sound like an idiot.

Pedophilia is a mental issue.

 

[GilSho]

This thread is fukking ridiculous. Most pedophiles/child sex offenders also had fukked up childhoods I don't see anybody giving them a pass.

The fact that so many people for him speaks volumes of his genius though.

 

[Dwolf]

MJ could literally get on stage, take of his pants, bend over and pull a ten year old asian boy out of his ass and i would still give him a pass.

Nah

 

[CinnaSlim]

Here's one link:
http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/category/2005-court-case/porn/

 

[DaddyTime]

Black people give entertainment passes over anything.

Seriously? Alas, the reality is black people point fingers at one another.

Literally every race has some people who ain't shyt but entertainers and will get a "pass"