I had no idea that Max Martin was fukking with the Weeknd. I should've known

[Tical]

max martin is on Adele's next album apparently.

 

[Quinton Barnes]

Nice try with your attempt to uphold lowest common denominator music.

LOL at equating pop to "having a diverse taste in music." People who listen to pop heavy have the least diverse music tastes period.

This is just pure bullshyt. Music is music and there's no such thing as "lowest common denominator" when you're talking about subjective music opinions. If we're really going to make a musical hierarchy, rap music is on the exact same level as pop (perhaps lower in terms of actual musical content), ranking under jazz and classical.

I find it very perplexing and bizarre that you would try to elevate your preferred genre as if you're listening to some high art. On a purely musical level the differences between pop and rap are not actually that numerous. Both utilize relatively simple chord progressions and tend to stay strictly in key. Rap is heavily focused on rhythm much more than popular music is. And if you really analyze both genres, there tends to be a limited palette in terms of subject matter.

How is there really any difference between the two genres? Strip away the meaningless cultural bullshyt and you have two genres of music that are pretty much the same in terms of how easily ready for mass consumption they are. Both jazz and classical feature much more complex chord progressions, modulations, borrowed and applied chords as well as melodic development that require a higher knowledge of compositional skill and an understanding of complex theory concepts.

If you really wanna act like your music taste is superior you better come thru with solid reasons why or else you just look like an elitist fool.

EDIT: Yes, there are outliers in terms of lyrical content in BOTH genres. However, as a whole subject matters tend to be fairly homogeneous

 

[ChezBippy]

what you think his net worth is?

 

[killacal]

what you think his net worth is?

 

[aceboon]

The R&B world could use a new Dwele album.

Dwele is my dude but he's become a bit formulaic with his music. Now that he's Indie I wish he would show a bit more of the experimental side that's on his unreleased shyt. I wasn't really messing with his last album too tough.

 

[No1]

This is just pure bullshyt. Music is music and there's no such thing as "lowest common denominator" when you're talking about subjective music opinions. If we're really going to make a musical hierarchy, rap music is on the exact same level as pop (perhaps lower in terms of actual musical content), ranking under jazz and classical.

I find it very perplexing and bizarre that you would try to elevate your preferred genre as if you're listening to some high art. On a purely musical level the differences between pop and rap are not actually that numerous. Both utilize relatively simple chord progressions and tend to stay strictly in key. Rap is heavily focused on rhythm much more than popular music is. And if you really analyze both genres, there tends to be a limited palette in terms of subject matter.

How is there really any difference between the two genres? Strip away the meaningless cultural bullshyt and you have two genres of music that are pretty much the same in terms of how easily ready for mass consumption they are. Both jazz and classical feature much more complex chord progressions, modulations, borrowed and applied chords as well as melodic development that require a higher knowledge of compositional skill and an understanding of complex theory concepts.

If you really wanna act like your music taste is superior you better come thru with solid reasons why or else you just look like an elitist fool.

EDIT: Yes, there are outliers in terms of lyrical content in BOTH genres. However, as a whole subject matters tend to be fairly homogeneous

Nah.

 

[Quinton Barnes]

Nah.

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

y'all dikkriding pop

No wonder hip hop and RnB have gone to shyt.

Real shyt. It's corny as fukk.

 

[SirBiatch]

This is just pure bullshyt. Music is music and there's no such thing as "lowest common denominator" when you're talking about subjective music opinions. If we're really going to make a musical hierarchy, rap music is on the exact same level as pop (perhaps lower in terms of actual musical content), ranking under jazz and classical.

I find it very perplexing and bizarre that you would try to elevate your preferred genre as if you're listening to some high art. On a purely musical level the differences between pop and rap are not actually that numerous. Both utilize relatively simple chord progressions and tend to stay strictly in key. Rap is heavily focused on rhythm much more than popular music is. And if you really analyze both genres, there tends to be a limited palette in terms of subject matter.

How is there really any difference between the two genres? Strip away the meaningless cultural bullshyt and you have two genres of music that are pretty much the same in terms of how easily ready for mass consumption they are. Both jazz and classical feature much more complex chord progressions, modulations, borrowed and applied chords as well as melodic development that require a higher knowledge of compositional skill and an understanding of complex theory concepts.

If you really wanna act like your music taste is superior you better come thru with solid reasons why or else you just look like an elitist fool.

EDIT: Yes, there are outliers in terms of lyrical content in BOTH genres. However, as a whole subject matters tend to be fairly homogeneous

cmon son. I'm not playing this game. There is absolutely lowest-common-denominator music just like there's lowest-common-denominator anything. Sometimes the quality is great but the vast majority of the time it is simply substandard, generic shyt. PERIOD. Nothing elitist about that.

and the highlighted statement tells me everything I need to know about you. I don't know why the fukk you're in a hip hop forum if you really believe this.

Hip hop is VASTLY more complex than pop psychologically. It simply says more as a culture: MUCH MORE. You can have a song like "Memory Lane" that makes dozens of connections/references to events, situations... from lyrics to sampled melody to sampled vocals (from previous rappers). Hip hop, before it turned to absolute garbage from "fans" like you, used to be a giant conversation between hoods, cities and Black American folk at large.

Please sit down.

if you are a fan of music in general than you should have some respect - even if its begrudging - for the impact max martin has had. its tough to find a big artist he hasnt worked with in the last 15 years. him and luke have had an almost unprescedented run. plus they've been looking to the future grooming kids like benny blanco and cashmere cat for a min. pop music will def get interesting in the next few years when those dudes take on a bigger role.

the blueprint max and luke developed, im definitely sick of... but you gotta respect it.

I simply don't give a fukk. and no I don't have to respect them.

Respect is earned, not given.

 

[Quinton Barnes]

cmon son. I'm not playing this game. There is absolutely lowest-common-denominator music just like there's lowest-common-denominator anything. Sometimes the quality is great but the vast majority of the time it is simply substandard, generic shyt. PERIOD. Nothing elitist about that.

and the highlighted statement tells me everything I need to know about you. I don't know why the fukk you're in a hip hop forum if you really believe this.

Hip hop is VASTLY more complex than pop psychologically. It simply says more as a culture: MUCH MORE. You can have a song like "Memory Lane" that makes dozens of connections/references to events, situations... from lyrics to sampled melody to sampled vocals (from previous rappers). Hip hop, before it turned to absolute garbage from "fans" like you, used to be a giant conversation between hoods, cities and Black American folk at large.

Please sit down.

You can't make an objective hierarchy out of subjective opinions. That is a fact. I'm on a hip hop forum because I am a music lover. I fukks with all kinds of music, not just hip hop. I don't make hierarchies and I don't rank my music because it's plainly obvious that all of this shyt is objective.

You're deluding yourself because you want to believe that your music taste makes you superior. If that makes you happy then all power to you, but it doesn't make you or your music taste better than anyone else's.

Furthermore, your statement that 'most of the time it is substandard, generic shyt PERIOD' is true for all music, so it's a redundant statement. The majority of hip-hop, like the majority of pop, is derivative and substandard. Those who are on top shine in both genres.

Psychologically? nikka what? It says more as a culture? Utter bullshyt. You pick and choose from your ass what you want to believe and use anecdotal evidence to support your inane theories. Fact of the matter is that there is no 'superiority' in music and there's no way to objectively show that hip-hop "says more as a culture". One could argue that pop is reflective of mainstream culture and says just as much (in fact, it pretty clearly is/does).

Reinvent history and drone on about nonsense all you want. At the end of the day there's no way to prove anything. You're free to have your opinion, but when you start preaching it like it's the gospel you look like you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[SirBiatch]

You can't make an objective hierarchy out of subjective opinions. That is a fact. I'm on a hip hop forum because I am a music lover. I fukks with all kinds of music, not just hip hop. I don't make hierarchies and I don't rank my music because it's plainly obvious that all of this shyt is objective.

If we're really going to make a musical hierarchy, rap music is on the exact same level as pop (perhaps lower in terms of actual musical content), ranking under jazz and classical.

You're deluding yourself because you want to believe that your music taste makes you superior. If that makes you happy then all power to you, but it doesn't make you or your music taste better than anyone else's.

Some people have better taste than others. You cannot buy taste.

I know this affects your kumbaya low-standards world, but the fact of the matter is that yes... some people in certain respects have better taste than you. Usually because it's more informed than yours.

Furthermore, your statement that 'most of the time it is substandard, generic shyt PERIOD' is true for all music, so it's a redundant statement. The majority of hip-hop, like the majority of pop, is derivative and substandard. Those who are on top shine in both genres.

Pop is twice as generic because it attempts to appeal to far wider audience of all kinds of people that would typically clash. And to that, you MUST keep things basic and nonthreatening. How do you not understand this basic point?

Hip hop in its best days was counterculture. Yes there is generic counterculture but in general, counterculture is not generic. Pop and hip hop have TOTALLY different aims. Hip hop aimed to be rebellious and upset things. Clashing simply doesn't appeal to everyone. In fact, most people aint about that life.

I think Joey Badass is generic as fukk but his generic music is for a much smaller group than Meghan Trainor, who is trying to appeal to moms, tweens, working class, middle class, upper class, etc.

Psychologically? nikka what? It says more as a culture? Utter bullshyt.

Can someone get this Quinton poser outta here

 

[Quinton Barnes]

Some people have better taste than others. You cannot buy taste.

I know this affects your kumbaya low-standards world, but the fact of the matter is that yes... some people in certain respects have better taste than you. Usually because it's more informed than yours.



Pop is twice as generic because it attempts to appeal to far wider audience of all kinds of people that would typically clash. And to that, you MUST keep things basic and nonthreatening. How do you not understand this basic point?

Hip hop in its best days was counterculture. Yes there is generic counterculture but in general, counterculture is not generic. Pop and hip hop have TOTALLY different aims. Hip hop aimed to be rebellious and upset things. Clashing simply doesn't appeal to everyone. In fact, most people aint about that life.

I think Joey Badass is generic as fukk but his generic music is for a much smaller group than Meghan Trainor, who is trying to appeal to moms, tweens, working class, middle class, upper class, etc.



Can someone get this Quinton poser outta here

I said "IF" we're going to make a hierarchy, and then based my theoretical opinion on music theory. (I don't actually believe that classical/jazz is superior, but the argument can and has been made before).

You still don't get it. It's quite simple. Your opinion is just an opinion and nothing more, yet you treat it like it's fact. You have no evidence, you've presented no arguments from music theory to show that hip-hop possesses more musical value than pop. In fact, you would argue that your narrow taste in music is somehow better than someone who has a broad taste in music, solid understanding of music theory, and extensive knowledge of music history. How does that in any way sound accurate?

You've done nothing but spew opinions left and right with no solid ground. No discussion of anything actually related to the music itself. I think what you prefer is the culture of hip-hop and the idea of what hip-hop stands for, which is perfectly valid. You seem to have no actual thoughts when it comes to musical value. As a whole, rap and pop aren't that different in terms of actual musical content.

Call me a poser all you want. I'd rather have knowledge of the subject I'm talking about as opposed to talking out of my ass.

 

[10bandz]

lol @ nikkas in here like "you gotta respect it"

nikka has produced hits for fukking katy perry, taylor swift, britney spears

fukk I need to respect about it?

 

[SirBiatch]

I said "IF" we're going to make a hierarchy, and then based my theoretical opinion on music theory. (I don't actually believe that classical/jazz is superior, but the argument can and has been made before).

You still don't get it. It's quite simple. Your opinion is just an opinion and nothing more, yet you treat it like it's fact. You have no evidence, you've presented no arguments from music theory to show that hip-hop possesses more musical value than pop. In fact, you would argue that your narrow taste in music is somehow better than someone who has a broad taste in music, solid understanding of music theory, and extensive knowledge of music history. How does that in any way sound accurate?

You've done nothing but spew opinions left and right with no solid ground. No discussion of anything actually related to the music itself. I think what you prefer is the culture of hip-hop and the idea of what hip-hop stands for, which is perfectly valid. You seem to have no actual thoughts when it comes to musical value. As a whole, rap and pop aren't that different in terms of actual musical content.

Call me a poser all you want. I'd rather have knowledge of the subject I'm talking about as opposed to talking out of my ass.

There's a huge difference between an opinion and an INFORMED opinion. Informed opinions are closer to fact that random ass opinion. They're not FACT, but they're closer to fact.

You're not informed about hip hop. I can tell by the shyt you're typing.

And the 'you is elitist' angle is a crutch for people who are uninformed and want to stay that way.

Find me a pop record that has the same 'musical content' (whatever the fukk that means - you haven't even attempted to explain this) as NY State of Mind.

 

[Love Sosa]

There's a huge difference between an opinion and an INFORMED opinion. Informed opinions are closer to fact that random ass opinion. They're not FACT, but they're closer to fact.

You're not informed about hip hop. I can tell by the shyt you're typing.

And the 'you is elitist' angle is a crutch for people who are uninformed and want to stay that way.

Find me a pop record that has the same 'musical content' (whatever the fukk that means - you haven't even attempted to explain this) as NY State of Mind.

Your "lowest common denominator" argument is the dumbest, most pretentious thing I've heard to bash music (especially for having ASAP Rocky in your avi). First of all you aren't saying shyt about the music, you're just insecure because you don't want to be caught dead listening to the same shyt as a soccer mom. It is pathetic that you are what..30 years old? You're making arguments a 15 year old would make. "My taste is better than yours"

You can't hate pop. Pop takes from almost every genre. That's why there's R&B songs that are pop, there's hip hop songs that are pop, there's country songs that are pop, etc. You're sitting here defending hip hop, when hip hop has been arguably the biggest "sellout" genre since the mid 90s. Hip hop and pop are practically interchangeable these days.