I have to Admit, Kanye West is the Total Package

[Humble (Not) Mike Tyson]

@Walt

WOAH!

I see that look, in your eye, brother...

You remind me of this guy;

- Love, Mike

 

[NVME]

this shyt read like one long run-on sentence.

the points, if they're to be called that, miss the actual point: kanye west is the reflection of the successful black man in post-jim crow america, a man who has mastered the skill of navigating between the worlds of black and white, whose music reflects the agony of having to adapt to the embrace of white america while still feeling kinship with the people he's leaving behind.

the man is a conflicted mishmash of views and emotions, whose identity is at once militant and bourgeois, academic and ignorant, charitable and patronizing. that is who kanye west is, and that's who many successful black men ( myself included) become. it's not due to a desire for conflict. rather, it's the constant pressure by white and black america to arrive at this ideal that will finally dispel the stereotypes given life by slavery's remnants. kanye west is a very complex, but thoroughly intelligent and creatively masterful, artist whose music embodies the tug of war that's waged within the souls of so many black men.

this screed misses the point. it reflects the usual commonplace criticisms voiced by armchair critics (read: kanye haters) who refuse to recognize the man's art because they can't handle the truth.

i should add that i didn't like watch the throne. i'm not a huge kanye fan. but i LIKE new slaves and black skinhead. that kind of music needs to be said, NOW. i'm someone that recognizes how black america, a lot of it due to the response obama's presidency has generated, is viewed by much -- the majority? -- of white america. we're under attack. and, i don't care about kanye's excesses. i appreciate them. the dichotomy he represents is natural, and it certainly isn't something i'm going to hold against him.

it's obvious that what kanye is saying makes some blacks and a hell of a lot of whites very uncomfortable. eric holder said we are a cowardly people when it comes to matters of race. we package discussions of it in niceties, with dialogue that doesn't offend. if kanye is offending people, GOOD. if he's being bold with what he's saying, EXCELLENT. the intellectual dishonesty of his critics is insulting. there's no substance to their critiques. they're just regurgitating what we've always heard about kanye:

ahh, why does he talk that conscious stuff when he's so materialistic.

blah blah blah.

why is kanye singled out for this. isn't that a criticism that can apply to even people like michael moore? noam chomsky, the proletariat's champion, lives in a big ass house in one of the wealthiest towns on the east coast. so, why target kanye for similar contradictions of message and lifestyle? it's because he's a BLACK man. it's because most white people and some of you house ******s think black men "shouldn't be talking like that." kanye should be happy with what he has and just make music to dance to. fukk a message.

"damn, kanye - who told you to run your mouth? don't you know you're black?"

that's how the OP comes across, and that's how many of these whites crying about new slaves come across. a black man speaks up about some REAL shyt, and the only thing they can talk about is his margielas and the white girl he impregnated.

as if that discounts what he's saying.

I think your missing the point...

and -10 for quoting Eric Holder.

 

[SunZoo]

So many rumors, none of them true.

In real life, I'm Art Barr's backup dancer.

In real life Walt's much more distinguished...

 

[Real N Quotes]

And he's crack for a lot of black people, the same way Ayn Rand is for a certain lot of whites, because both appeal to a warped sense of persecution while confirming their most basic, shallow notions of how the world is and how it should be, a world in which contradictions empower rather than hinder a person's character or message.

 

[Enzo]

Same argument could be used to say. Martin Luther king has no right to make the I have a dream speech cause he constantly cheated on his wife and slept with white women, Etc.

Give it a rest.

 

[kermit da hustla]

I think your missing the point...

and -10 for quoting Eric Holder.

what "point" am i missing? for the sake of specificity, i'll provide quotes of the author's rant:

He's a diva and a demagogue, a bratty fashionista, a shameless opportunist, a convenient social critic, a man who will cum on the blouses of hampton spouses while simultaneously wifing up a beverly hills socialite who embodies whoredom in nearly all possible aspects of the word. He's the ultimate black limousine liberal, the college nikka talking in coded academic language about inequity, black self-love, black owned business, leading pointless "black out" days in front of the campus library, then joining a Fortune 500 company as soon as he graduates and marrying a white chick first chance he gets.

ok, where is the "point" in this paragraph? he hasn't addressed a single lyric from the two songs kanye's revealed. instead, like a girl, he makes trite insults about kanye's lifestyle without any substantive response to the content of his two singles. yes, we know kanye is a wealthy crybaby given to tantrums and obnoxious displays of egotistical arrogance. any fan of kanye west knows that's been his MO since college dropout propelled him onto the national scene and into the sphere of musical stardom. exactly how is that relevant to the validity of the issues he speaks of in new slaves and black skinhead? following the train of thought the OP currently rides, we are to assume that no one of immense wealth and overt eccentricities has a right to provide commentary about socially and politically relevant issues.

let's continue:

The leader of the meaningless new world in which complexity has been reduced to Che Guevara wearing bling, where 40's the new 30 and nonsense is the new complexity, where inchoate juvenile temper tantrums are the new grist for the mills of revolution.

here, again, the author chides kanye for eccentric and showy behavior instead of responding to what the man is saying in these songs. he also begins to reveal a level of hate directed towards kanye's ability to spend money and live extravagantly. i don't see where one's wealth, which he earned because he successfully packaged and sold his talent, precludes him from recognizing certain ills and calling them out. kanye is a 40 year old man who thinks he's 30, wearing a lot of expensive clothing and living well beyond the means of your average citizen. great, cool story, bro. now, what does this have to do with the outrage he expresses in these songs towards a society that is presently attempting to marginalize black people in a way that hasn't been seen since the jim crow era?

but, wait, there's more:

He who shall speak truth to power, our great provocative, populist artist, thugging it out with the Gwyneth Paltrows of the world referring to him as her "nikka." Ghostproducers, ghostwriters, shallow lyrics that tap into the emptiness and disconnectedness of the black middle and upper middle class, cliche takes on interracial dating, consumerism, sex, and blackness that would shame the most tired slam poet. The type of black person who doesn't feel a sense of authenticity in the white or black world and feels the urge to align himself with whichever one fits his mood for the day, as he tries on philosophies, indignation, and societal outrage like one of his funky leather outfits or a pair of designer shades - what will look best this season, and to whom? As even activism and justice become just another name brand or champagne, something so bathed in capitalist ethos that it rates and resonates as a buzzword or a quip.

FINALLY, he mentions kanye's "shallow" lyrics. oh, wait, he mentions the shallowness of them without actually quoting the lyrics in the songs from which this rant was birthed. instead, he returns to his fixation on what kanye wears. did perez hilton write this rant? what lyrics in new slaves and black skinhead were "shallow"? any response to this question should be disassociated from your opinion of kanye's character, as it bears no material worth to how the message contained within the two songs relates to the experience of black america in 2013.

in addition to that:

Our great prophet of megalomania, the attention whore who resents the trappings of attention, Mr. anti-Hamptons with his Beverly Hills family, the man who hates to be a celebrity so much that he impregnated a woman who is a celebrity for the sole sake and reason of being a celebrity. You gonna just snap my photo while I'm on my way to a shi shi lunch? Well then I'm gonna expose the prison-for-profit system! The master of substituting empty, over the top rhetoric for insightful or meaningful thoughts, buffoonish gestures for truly defiant acts. Kanye ain't a celebrity, he for the people - which is why his malformed chipmunk face was the main image he chose to project on a bunch of big ass buildings across the country, and why he's calling his album Yeezus.

the OP is skilled at drumming up flowery pejoratives about kanye's behavior as a celebrity, even commenting on his appearance (), but he still neglects to provide a single stream of thought about the actual songs in question. this entire missive swells with attacks on kanye's wealth, his eccentricity, his appearance, and the women he fukks, but there isn't a single paragraph devoted to the actual merit of what kanye said in new slaves and black skinhead.

maybe the OP didn't listen to the songs? maybe he did and just forgot to turn the volume up? i don't know. or, perhaps the OP is just a smart dumb nikka who pats himself on the back without giving much thought to the shyt he's spewing.

 

[The Real]

what "point" am i missing? for the sake of specificity, i'll provide quotes of the author's rant:


ok, where is the "point" in this paragraph? he hasn't addressed a single lyric from the two songs kanye's revealed. instead, like a girl, he makes trite insults about kanye's lifestyle without any substantive response to the content of his two singles. yes, we know kanye is a wealthy crybaby given to tantrums and obnoxious displays of egotistical arrogance. any fan of kanye west knows that's been his MO since college dropout propelled him onto the national scene and into the sphere of musical stardom. exactly how is that relevant to the validity of the issues he speaks of in new slaves and black skinhead? following the train of thought the OP currently rides, we are to assume that no one of immense wealth and overt eccentricities has a right to provide commentary about socially and politically relevant issues.

let's continue:



here, again, the author chides kanye for eccentric and showy behavior instead of responding to what the man is saying in these songs. he also begins to reveal a level of hate directed towards kanye's ability to spend money and live extravagantly. i don't see where one's wealth, which he earned because he successfully packaged and sold his talent, precludes him from recognizing certain ills and calling them out. kanye is a 40 year old man who thinks he's 30, wearing a lot of expensive clothing and living well beyond the means of your average citizen. great, cool story, bro. now, what does this have to do with the outrage he expresses in these songs towards a society that is presently attempting to marginalize black people in a way that hasn't been seen since the jim crow era?

but, wait, there's more:



FINALLY, he mentions kanye's "shallow" lyrics. oh, wait, he mentions the shallowness of them without actually quoting the lyrics in the songs from which this rant was birthed. instead, he returns to his fixation on what kanye wears. did perez hilton write this rant? what lyrics in new slaves and black skinhead were "shallow"? any response to this question should be disassociated from your opinion of kanye's character, as it bears no material worth to how the message contained within the two songs relates to the experience of black america in 2013.

in addition to that:



the OP is skilled at drumming up flowery pejoratives about kanye's behavior as a celebrity, even commenting on his appearance (), but he still neglects to provide a single stream of thought about the actual songs in question. this entire missive swells with attacks on kanye's wealth, his eccentricity, his appearance, and the women he fukks, but there isn't a single paragraph devoted to the actual merit of what kanye said in new slaves and black skinhead.

maybe the OP didn't listen to the songs? maybe he did and just forgot to turn the volume up? i don't know. or, perhaps the OP is just a smart dumb nikka who pats himself on the back without giving much thought to the shyt he's spewing.

Your rebuttal is equally lacking in specificity when it comes to the lyrics, though. What are the noteworthy lyrics in those songs, and what insightful social commentary do they express?

 

[Soundwave]

But @Walt, how does he compare to Wyclef?

Imagine if Toure was a rapper and you have Kanye West...

 

[Walt]

But @Walt, how does he compare to Wyclef?

What a dilemma.

 

[Walt]

Same argument could be used to say. Martin Luther king has no right to make the I have a dream speech cause he constantly cheated on his wife and slept with white women, Etc.

Give it a rest.

Yes, the exact same argument could be made in both instances. And I'd hope the men in white coats would be polite and gentle in courting whomever made that argument off to the van, and later the institution.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Roaden Polynice]

what "point" am i missing? for the sake of specificity, i'll provide quotes of the author's rant:



ok, where is the "point" in this paragraph? he hasn't addressed a single lyric from the two songs kanye's revealed. instead, like a girl, he makes trite insults about kanye's lifestyle without any substantive response to the content of his two singles. yes, we know kanye is a wealthy crybaby given to tantrums and obnoxious displays of egotistical arrogance. any fan of kanye west knows that's been his MO since college dropout propelled him onto the national scene and into the sphere of musical stardom. exactly how is that relevant to the validity of the issues he speaks of in new slaves and black skinhead? following the train of thought the OP currently rides, we are to assume that no one of immense wealth and overt eccentricities has a right to provide commentary about socially and politically relevant issues.

let's continue:



here, again, the author chides kanye for eccentric and showy behavior instead of responding to what the man is saying in these songs. he also begins to reveal a level of hate directed towards kanye's ability to spend money and live extravagantly. i don't see where one's wealth, which he earned because he successfully packaged and sold his talent, precludes him from recognizing certain ills and calling them out. kanye is a 40 year old man who thinks he's 30, wearing a lot of expensive clothing and living well beyond the means of your average citizen. great, cool story, bro. now, what does this have to do with the outrage he expresses in these songs towards a society that is presently attempting to marginalize black people in a way that hasn't been seen since the jim crow era?

but, wait, there's more:



FINALLY, he mentions kanye's "shallow" lyrics. oh, wait, he mentions the shallowness of them without actually quoting the lyrics in the songs from which this rant was birthed. instead, he returns to his fixation on what kanye wears. did perez hilton write this rant? what lyrics in new slaves and black skinhead were "shallow"? any response to this question should be disassociated from your opinion of kanye's character, as it bears no material worth to how the message contained within the two songs relates to the experience of black america in 2013.

in addition to that:



the OP is skilled at drumming up flowery pejoratives about kanye's behavior as a celebrity, even commenting on his appearance (), but he still neglects to provide a single stream of thought about the actual songs in question. this entire missive swells with attacks on kanye's wealth, his eccentricity, his appearance, and the women he fukks, but there isn't a single paragraph devoted to the actual merit of what kanye said in new slaves and black skinhead.

maybe the OP didn't listen to the songs? maybe he did and just forgot to turn the volume up? i don't know. or, perhaps the OP is just a smart dumb nikka who pats himself on the back without giving much thought to the shyt he's spewing.

Well that's him told.

 

[kermit da hustla]

Your rebuttal is equally lacking in specificity when it comes to the lyrics, though. What are the noteworthy lyrics in those songs, and what insightful social commentary do they express?

i see where you're coming from, but is the onus really on me to cite his lyrics? the author of this thread penned a rant against kanye after the release of those two songs, almost arguing that west lacked any moral weight to back his lyrics.

shouldn't he first explain what he found so lacking in the songs? all he did was was talk about kanye's riches, his girl, and the brand of boxers he wears. is that all it takes to be a music critic nowadays?

 

[Big Mel]

Dea cca. That's the lyric everyone thinks is deep ya? Somehow those two boogeyman agencies are purposely incarcerating young men of color to pool together large herds of free labor, ya?


Okay. Not quite the same thing as actual slavery...but you go Ye. You go boy.


Aren't there a billion shytty late 90s wigger rappers that have been saying this sort of shyt forever? Isn't Ill Bills entire career based on this sort of stuff?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

At least my "embarrassing attempt at a rebuttal" was well written, substantive, and not strewn with grammatical errors. You smart dumb c00ns are corny.

It is what it is.

Grammatical errors? You didn't even capitalize a letter in that whole pile of nonsense.

Lol at substantive. Here's your post in three lines:

1) Kanye is awesome and you're a haterrr
2) He's a hypocrite, oh well so are a lot of black people and its white people's fault anyway
3) Why are we talking about Kanye on this Hip Hop board and not Michael Moore instead?

 

[Jesus]

Sooo Kanye is this generation's Tupac...could have said that in a sentence.